@scooke said:

the forums or help have been very very weak, or actually non-existent (no one knows what went wrong and how to fix it).

This is a very good and important point. Aside from mostly Just Working (and apps that are maintained and updated promptly), one of the best things about Cloudron is how amazingly good the support is, both from staff and from the rest of the users here on the forum.

That article does make a nice point distinguishing "self-host" OSes from dashboard/docker management systems.

I think voting for apps is based more on the fact that enough people have been paying for a commercial version of an app and know about and want to move to an open source alternative. I don't think anyone here is voting for apps they have no familiarity with. That said, seeing what gets suggested has sometimes led me to see which other platforms might already have it (I'm using affine on my runtipi VPS, for example) and I see what the fuss is about there. My curiosity has led me to install runtipi on my Dedirock VPS where I have affine, Obsidian LiveSync, GrampsWeb, FlightLog, and Write-freely. I'd switch them all to Cloudron if these were available here. I've tried almost all the alternatives, and I've stuck with runtipi the longest (despite the stupid name). The rest just always, and I mean ALWAYS, crap out eventually and either the forums or help have been very very weak, or actually non-existent (no one knows what went wrong and how to fix it). Forget them!

@seeker said:

So a platform where I could test might be nice. Additionally an platform where people could get their feet wet.

Yeah, I think lots of people here use other platforms just to test out/ use apps that aren't on Cloudron yet.

@seeker said:

Backups are important and cloudron does more on that front than others based on when I searched many years ago. Not perfect but it used to be better than the alternatives.

Yeah, I've not looked at it in much depth, but I think that's still the case. The way Cloudron works makes backups, restores, updates, and migrations mostly Just Work.

Additionally, afaik none of the other offerings have a full email server (that apps are pre configured to use) either. Whereas not only does Cloudron have Haraka built-in, but I tihnk @girish is one of the top contributors too.

When voting for apps to be added on cloudron I often feel at a loss because I have not tested the app so it is about imagining it utility based on videos etc elsewhere. So a platform where I could test might be nice. Additionally an platform where people could get their feet wet.

Backups are important and cloudron does more on that front than others based on when I searched many years ago. Not perfect but it used to be better than the alternatives.

I stumbled upon this article which got me thinking about the state of alternatives. https://www.xda-developers.com/runtipi-raspberry-pi-guide/

If I had more money I would just loan out rasberrypi(s) with something set up so people can experiment.

A friend just told me about Start9, which makes both hardware and an OS for self-hosting:

https://start9.com/
https://github.com/Start9Labs/start-os
Nice!

https://start9.com/
https://github.com/Start9Labs/start-os

@jdaviescoates, there is something called dokploy that is similar to coolify.

Dokploy - An open-source & self-hostable Heroku / Netlify alternative.
https://dokploy.com/
https://docs.dokploy.com/en/docs/core/get-started/introduction
https://github.com/dokploy/dokploy

But hey, Cloudron is the best

All in one secure Reverse-proxy, container manager with app store, integrated VPN, authentication provider, and Monitoring, now with Multilingual support, completely reworked VPN, mDNS, and many improvements

Wow, what a trip! 6 months ago I started working on this update, and boy, was that an adventure! The main culprit: Constellation (The VPN)! I always envisioned Constellation to be this one solution to all networking issues when selfhosting (Tunneling/VPN allowing you to use your server in any circumstances without even opening any port). And while there are some technologies that exist that gives you the networking part like Tailscale, no solution come close to the level of end-to-end support Constellation provides, as it integrates directly into the reverse-proxy and other features such as the user managements for a complete seamless experience. That level of novelty, is what made Constellation this hard to design and implement. After all this work thought, while it is nowhere near perfect (yet ;p) it is in a place where it can work and cater for many of the uses cases, and much easier to use than it has ever been.

Aside from this, Cosmos 0.16 has a lot of exciting improvements, such as Multi-language, mDNS support, which gives you automatic *local domains out of the box! As well as great improvement to compose import. But I will expand on those individually.

https://repocloud.io/

@djxx said in From NethServer to Cloudron:

I wrote a blog post to share my journey of migrating my self-hosted NethServer to Cloudron. Overall I've been quite happy with the experience and wanted to share it here in case anyone else is considering the same thing, or if I might be able to answer questions for people experiencing some of the same pains during migrations.

If at least one poor soul considering the move from NethServer to Cloudron finds this post and it helps them, it'll make me happy.

As they note, most other Cloudron-like solutions don't include a full email server and/ or don't have as many good apps packaged.

https://thehomelab.wiki/books/helpful-tools-resources/page/awesome-selfhosted-self-hosting-solutions

https://easyindie.app/

I preferred not to post direct links because I wanted the list to be up-to-date

Installatron ?

Please add Restack.

https://www.restack.io/

Wow, this is expensive…. Chatwoot alone is 40$ / month. Not many apps (most „coming soon“). And I don’t see an email stack, backup routines, or something like that…?

https://www.restack.io/

@jdaviescoates beautiful list, and thanks to everyone for compiling so many options here. would love to integrate more into easyindie.app (preferably ones that don't require too much command-line setup / management), it's open-source so people can also make pull requests, i can help explain how to add other platforms ️

I realize it might be complex for me or any other person to integrate some of these into the easyindie.app listing, so I compiled them in simple text over at awesome-0data and added a few of my own, such as:

• libreserver: Your own personal server.
• ApisCP: Full-stack hosting platform with self-healing technology.
• CloudPanel: Run your favorite applications and frameworks without any additional configuration.
• Gardens: Host your own apps, find open-source tools, share how-to guides.
• Yacht: Container management UI with a focus on templates and 1-click deployments.
• Syncloud: Run your apps at your premises.

Also be welcome to contribute by editing the document.

Zeabur: A new PaaS platform deploy service with one click (zeabur.com)
Apps Marketplace: https://github.com/zeabur/zeabur/tree/main/marketplace

Interesting: „Zeabur can automatically analyze the code to determine what language and framework the project uses.“