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      savity last edited by savity

      yeah i mean it would be for me ๐Ÿ™‚ i would never create pihole acessable for others its for private reasons vpn+pihole. So pihole would be listening, lets say on 10.9.0.0

      Maybe in the future the idea could to configure other apps only availaie in the same VPN Network

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      • Mallewax
        Mallewax @girish last edited by

        @girish @imc67 Same here, I think the combination is awesome and makes a lot of sense. PLEASE, PLEASE...Yes...:-)

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          savity @Mallewax last edited by

          @Mallewax i think this would lead also to new people using cloudron ๐Ÿ™‚

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          • Mallewax
            Mallewax @savity last edited by

            @savity couldnโ€™t agree more. For me it would be a killer feature. And would make for a nice campaign on Twitter, Reddit et. all. Just look how many people google this and try to establish it manually....this is a mainstream feature, that would be appreciated by the entire user base, much more than specific applications that appeal only to certain users.... my opinion

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            • imc67
              imc67 translator @girish last edited by

              @girish definately! ๐Ÿ™‚

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              • marcusquinn
                marcusquinn last edited by

                Haha, Pie Hole / Cake Hole is British for your mouth, as in; shut your pie hole ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

                https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pie Hole

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                  A Former User @marcusquinn last edited by

                  @marcusquinn
                  Pi-hole, not Pie hole

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                  • marcusquinn
                    marcusquinn @Guest last edited by

                    @Hillside502 3.14159265359... hole ๐Ÿ™‚

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                      timbo last edited by

                      How is the progress here?

                      o7

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                        savity @timbo last edited by

                        @timbo Yeah any information this ?

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                        • girish
                          girish Staff last edited by

                          Last I checked it was quite tricky to deploy pi-hole with docker. Does anyone have experience with this style of deployment? It was really made like a "distribution"/"OS" instead of a separate app.

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                          • iamthefij
                            iamthefij App Dev @girish last edited by

                            @girish It's pretty straightforward as far as I can tell. I've got two instances hosted via Docker on Raspberry Pis at my home.

                            I agree with folks above suggesting though that it'd be best to expose only to internal services and likely inside a VPN. There is probably a decent way to do this in a single app, but I wonder if there is value in creating a new way to expose particular Apps to other apps via a shared network.

                            This would allow exposing a Pi-Hole app that has no "public" ports to any VPN app (OpenVPN, Wireguard, etc) with an internal hostname (app name?).

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                            • girish
                              girish Staff last edited by

                              @iamthefij So, let's say the VPN app had a way to set a custom name server and one could just edit some file and set it to the pi-hole app, would this be good enough already? Given that the OpenVPN app is custom anyway, we can even add a simple UI that allows a user to set the DNS server IP (as you say, this might be the internal host name since IP might be dynamic actually).

                              This seems quite doable.

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                              • doodlemania2
                                doodlemania2 App Dev last edited by

                                I've got one up and running on a public endpoint, no sweat. I just set the server to only allow queries from my IP range, deny all by default.

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                                • iamthefij
                                  iamthefij App Dev @girish last edited by

                                  @girish yea, that's pretty much all that should be required. As long as the two containers can communicate via their internal host names, it should be sufficient.

                                  The other advantage here is that it enables you to use the DNS from a mobile phone. Otherwise whenever you switch to a new network you receive the networks DNS via DHCP.

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                                  • iamthefij
                                    iamthefij App Dev @doodlemania2 last edited by

                                    @doodlemania2 I'm not sure exactly what you've configured, but many folks do not have static IP addresses to do this with. Not only does my home network frequently change IP addresses, but my mobile network does as well.

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                                    • imc67
                                      imc67 translator last edited by

                                      @Mallewax said in AdGuard - Network-wide ads & trackers blocking DNS server:

                                      Pihole plus Wireguard

                                      Let's vote more here: https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/1355/pi-hole-network-wide-ad-blocking

                                      In short why:

                                      WireGuard is a very fast, safe and stateless VPN, great with mobile apps to be ALWAYS CONNECTED via your own VPN & covered by the Pi-hole adfilter & security platform. Faster (mobile) connections (no more ads and bulky stuff) to your own safe VPN (no more sniffing by mobile providers or obscure VPN providers).

                                      Need to say more ๐Ÿ˜‰

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                                      • girish
                                        girish Staff @iamthefij last edited by

                                        @iamthefij For OpenVPN, I started a new thread - https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/3139/openvpn-admin-ui

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                                        • iamthefij
                                          iamthefij App Dev last edited by

                                          Cool! Do apps already have access to each other through the bridge? Or would that need to be made possible as well?

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                                          • girish
                                            girish Staff last edited by

                                            While there is network connectivity between the apps (docker's icc is true), the apps do not know the internal IPs and thus cannot easily discover each other. We have to come up with some sort of standard hostname naming mechanism to allow easy configurability.

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                                            • yusf
                                              yusf @iamthefij last edited by yusf

                                              Being able to host Cloudron behind Wireguard in a way where apps would only be accessed through WG would be a nice feature for security-demanding deployments.

                                              Edit: Sorry, wrong thread.

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                                                savity last edited by

                                                Are there any news Regarding Wireguard and Pihole in Cloudron?

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                                                • murgero
                                                  murgero App Dev @imc67 last edited by

                                                  @imc67 said in Pi Hole - network-wide ad blocking:

                                                  Only in combination with a VPN like WireGuard it's a perfect combination to be online, outside of your 'safe home wifi', without sniffing of mobile providers proxies and "free open wifi", and with a kind of safetynet by Pi-Hole.

                                                  This is a common misconception - Just because you are using a VPN does not mean you are completely safe. Sure you maybe safe from traffic sniffers at your local mcdonalds or starbucks, but a VPN that is tied to your name and a device that has other software on it like facebook, twitter, etc still makes you vulnerable to data leakage, tracking and more.

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                                                    marcusquinn @murgero last edited by

                                                    @murgero Exactly that! There's a reason why not one single bank in the world has "Login with Google/Facebook/Twitter" etc.

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                                                    • girish
                                                      girish Staff @savity last edited by girish

                                                      @savity I did give pi-hole a try but it was really hard to package from source easily. I managed to instead package the new kid in the block - AdGuard. Some reviews here https://home-assistant-guide.com/2020/09/26/adguard-home-vs-pi-hole-2020-two-ad-and-internet-tracker-blockers-compared/ and https://mariushosting.com/synology-adguard-vs-pi-hole/ . It requires some support from the platform, depending on time we might add it to Cloudron 6 (or the release after). https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/3075/adguard-network-wide-ads-trackers-blocking-dns-server is the forum topic for that.

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                                                        savity @girish last edited by

                                                        @girish Sad to hear thath Pi-hole didn't workout but lets see how AdGuard is ๐Ÿ˜‰ Thanks for your Work

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                                                        • murgero
                                                          murgero App Dev @girish last edited by

                                                          @girish I have adguard installed via homeassistant on a RPi4 and it works just as pi-hole does. Admin UI looks similar as well. I'd suspect you will find little to no complaints on packaging adg or pih.

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                                                          • girish
                                                            girish Staff @murgero last edited by

                                                            @murgero Yes, it also seems adh has some important features like DoH.

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                                                            • girish
                                                              girish Staff last edited by

                                                              Adguard Home will be available in Cloudron 6 - https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/3075/adguard-network-wide-ads-trackers-blocking-dns-server . It is similar to pi hole (and more feature rich).

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                                                              • varunsridharan
                                                                varunsridharan @girish last edited by

                                                                @girish i would love to see PI-Hole in Cloudron.

                                                                And option to setup Pihole with Android Private DNS which requires DNS-over-TLS

                                                                and i wrote a quick setup script for Pihole DNS-over-TLS

                                                                https://github.com/varunsridharan/pi-hole-android-private-dns/blob/main/pi-hole5.sh

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                                                                • girish
                                                                  girish Staff last edited by

                                                                  I have added an option to make the DNS server of the OpenVPN app configuration - https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/3875/adding-custom-dns-server . So, you can install AdGuard Home and OpenVPN and then make OpenVPN use AdGuard as the DNS server.

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                                                                  • girish
                                                                    girish Staff last edited by

                                                                    Just leaving a note here for people looking into pi-hole. Starting 6.2, Cloudron also supports DoT (DNS over TLS) in AdGuard Home. This makes it work out of the box in Android phones.

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                                                                    • jdaviescoates
                                                                      jdaviescoates @girish last edited by

                                                                      @girish so if I've got this right, I could AdGuard to stop any ads ever being shown on the Android tablet my kids use? (most are blocked already either using uBlock Origin in the browsers or e.g. NewPipe instead of YouTube - although I can't uninstall YT on this machine and no doubt the kids will find and open it at some point)

                                                                      Could I somehow achieve that using a Cloudron installed on a VPS, or is AdGuard something I'd need running on a machine at home? Thanks!

                                                                      I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                                                                      • necrevistonnezr
                                                                        necrevistonnezr @jdaviescoates last edited by

                                                                        @jdaviescoates
                                                                        yes, you can do that (mind you that you can filter ads based on domains etc - there are sneaky ads that you canโ€™t catch with a DNS filter (e.g. if they come from the same domain as the content, etc). But it helps a lot.

                                                                        IMHO itโ€™s easier though to just get a dedicated Raspberry Pi, put www.dietpi.com on it, and you should be good to go with Pi-Hole, Unbound, and encrypted DNS in minutes. It has A LOT of other apps as well including AdGuard Home (and many you wonโ€™t even find on Cloudron such as Wireguard, Home Assistant, Pydio, Plex, etc.) - though not dockerized - but I like to have this dedicated little device kept simple and not facing the internet.Just servicing the local network with some services.

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                                                                        • jdaviescoates
                                                                          jdaviescoates @necrevistonnezr last edited by

                                                                          @necrevistonnezr thanks, so just be clear it sounds like I would need a machine at home to take advantage of this stuff, right?

                                                                          Or is it somehow possible to use a VPS too?

                                                                          Thanks!

                                                                          I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                                                                          • necrevistonnezr
                                                                            necrevistonnezr @jdaviescoates last edited by

                                                                            @jdaviescoates yes, a โ€žmachineโ€œ ๐Ÿ™‚ at home (well, itโ€™s just a tiny box)

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