<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Backups times out at &quot;Removing directory &#x2F;mnt&#x2F;cloudronbackup&#x2F;snapshot&#x2F;mail (mail)&quot;]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">My Cloudron server backup times out regularly at this point:</p>
<pre><code>Removing directory /mnt/cloudronbackup/snapshot/mail (mail)
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<p dir="auto">The logs say this:</p>
<pre><code>Apr 01 10:30:00 box:tasks update 10166: {"message":"Removing mail backup 2025-03-25-010000-657/mail_v8.2.4"}
Apr 01 10:30:00 box:tasks update 10166: {"message":"2025-03-25-010000-657/mail_v8.2.4: Removing directory /mnt/cloudronbackup/2025-03-25-010000-657/mail_v8.2.4"}
Apr 01 10:30:00 box:tasks update 10166: {"message":"Removing directory /mnt/cloudronbackup/2025-03-25-010000-657/mail_v8.2.4"}
Apr 01 10:30:00 box:shell filesystem: rm -rf /mnt/cloudronbackup/2025-03-25-010000-657/mail_v8.2.4
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<p dir="auto">I have upgraded already to version 8.3.1.</p>
<p dir="auto">How can I handle this?</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/13580/backups-times-out-at-removing-directory-mnt-cloudronbackup-snapshot-mail-mail</link><generator>RSS for Node</generator><lastBuildDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2026 04:47:48 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/13580.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2025 04:29:14 GMT</pubDate><ttl>60</ttl><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Backups times out at &quot;Removing directory &#x2F;mnt&#x2F;cloudronbackup&#x2F;snapshot&#x2F;mail (mail)&quot; on Thu, 10 Apr 2025 12:41:26 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Using tgz instead of rsync did let the backup run normally, at least once right now. Let's call this a workaround for now, I'll see if this works regularly.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/105484</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.cloudron.io/post/105484</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[ekevu123]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2025 12:41:26 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Backups times out at &quot;Removing directory &#x2F;mnt&#x2F;cloudronbackup&#x2F;snapshot&#x2F;mail (mail)&quot; on Thu, 10 Apr 2025 09:45:36 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Creating a new box hasn't helped. The issue persists.</p>
<p dir="auto">Regarding the patch, it wouldn't play a role anymore as now nothing has to be removed. The timeout happens when adding emails.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/105476</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.cloudron.io/post/105476</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[ekevu123]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2025 09:45:36 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Backups times out at &quot;Removing directory &#x2F;mnt&#x2F;cloudronbackup&#x2F;snapshot&#x2F;mail (mail)&quot; on Wed, 09 Apr 2025 13:51:21 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/ekevu123" aria-label="Profile: ekevu123">@<bdi>ekevu123</bdi></a> in the past, we have had issues with sshfs where many fuse operations result in fuse misbehaving. in an earlier release, we added a workaround to do a recursive copy directly via ssh instead of going through fuse .</p>
<p dir="auto">Recursive remove probably suffers the same fate. I have now implemented the workaround for that as well - <a href="https://git.cloudron.io/platform/box/-/commit/65f066d391c498e07d7dd1fde0766b8bae7fa119" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow ugc">https://git.cloudron.io/platform/box/-/commit/65f066d391c498e07d7dd1fde0766b8bae7fa119</a> . Feel free to apply the patch into /home/yellowtent/box/src/storage/filesystem.js</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/105434</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.cloudron.io/post/105434</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[girish]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2025 13:51:21 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Backups times out at &quot;Removing directory &#x2F;mnt&#x2F;cloudronbackup&#x2F;snapshot&#x2F;mail (mail)&quot; on Wed, 09 Apr 2025 12:34:32 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/ekevu123" aria-label="Profile: ekevu123">@<bdi>ekevu123</bdi></a> said in <a href="/post/105399">Backups times out at "Removing directory /mnt/cloudronbackup/snapshot/mail (mail)"</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p dir="auto">but it fails during e-mails at varying positions</p>
</blockquote>
<p dir="auto">Do you have some crazy mail folder structure?<br />
Since <code>rsync</code> is limited to 255 char length for the path.<br />
With deep nested folders and long names this could get triggered.<br />
But would show up in the logs <img src="https://forum.cloudron.io/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f914.png?v=13d69e59554" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--thinking_face" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=":thinking_face:" alt="🤔" /></p>
<p dir="auto">Can you try with <code>tgz</code> instead of <code>rsync</code>?</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/105422</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.cloudron.io/post/105422</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[BrutalBirdie]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2025 12:34:32 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Backups times out at &quot;Removing directory &#x2F;mnt&#x2F;cloudronbackup&#x2F;snapshot&#x2F;mail (mail)&quot; on Wed, 09 Apr 2025 06:04:13 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<ol>
<li>I did what you suggested and I can create and delete files using sshfs.</li>
<li>I am not using a sub-sccount.</li>
<li>I'd like to add that the setup has worked at some point, I have two successful backups in the history, but then it stopped working. Also, apps back up just fine, but it fails during e-mails at varying positions.</li>
<li>The issue happens every day now with no exception, so this is not a maintenance issue.</li>
</ol>
<p dir="auto">EDIT: When I look at the folders in the Storage Box, I have backup folders since 02nd March, although my backup policy is 7 days. Could this simply be too much for Cloudron to handle? I could perhaps delete these manually.</p>
<p dir="auto">I could also get a fresh storage box and attempt to perform a new backup there and see if the issue persists.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/105399</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.cloudron.io/post/105399</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[ekevu123]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2025 06:04:13 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Backups times out at &quot;Removing directory &#x2F;mnt&#x2F;cloudronbackup&#x2F;snapshot&#x2F;mail (mail)&quot; on Tue, 08 Apr 2025 10:13:57 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/ekevu123" aria-label="Profile: ekevu123">@<bdi>ekevu123</bdi></a><br />
Are you using the main account of that storage-box or a sub-account?</p>
<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/ekevu123" aria-label="Profile: ekevu123">@<bdi>ekevu123</bdi></a> said in <a href="/post/105356">Backups times out at "Removing directory /mnt/cloudronbackup/snapshot/mail (mail)"</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p dir="auto">But /mnt/cloudronbackup should be on the disk, right?</p>
</blockquote>
<p dir="auto">Sorry but there are multiple ways to interprete your question.</p>
<ul>
<li><code>/mnt/cloudronbackup</code> is a directory path on your root server where you can ssh into</li>
<li><code>/mnt/cloudronbackup</code> can be local folder if nothing is mounted there</li>
<li><code>/mnt/cloudronbackup</code> can be a remote folder if something is mounted there</li>
</ul>
<p dir="auto">Such errors with the Hetzner-Storage box can be many things.<br />
Always make sure there is no current maintence done on your Storage-Box, see <a href="https://status.hetzner.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow ugc">https://status.hetzner.com/</a></p>
<p dir="auto">When using <code>SSHFS</code> you are subjected to the <code>fail2ban</code> of hetzner which is not documented from hetzner anywere, but it exists <img src="https://forum.cloudron.io/assets/plugins/nodebb-plugin-emoji/emoji/android/1f609.png?v=13d69e59554" class="not-responsive emoji emoji-android emoji--wink" style="height:23px;width:auto;vertical-align:middle" title=";)" alt="😉" /><br />
This would cut / disrupt the whole connection to the Storage-Box and would only last 15 to 30 Minutes if no more failing requests* are made.<br />
*failing requests? e.g. attempts to mount with wrong password or ssh-key</p>
<p dir="auto">In  your case, please try to mount your Hetnzer Storage-Box locally with the following command:</p>
<pre><code class="language-bash">sshfs -p 23 ACCOUNTID@ACCOUNTID.your-storagebox.de:/home $TARGETMOUNT
</code></pre>
<p dir="auto">Then you can <code>cd $TARGETMOUNT</code> and verify if you can delete stuff locally.<br />
If that works please report back.</p>
<hr />
<p dir="auto">ps: <a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/ekevu123" aria-label="Profile: ekevu123">@<bdi>ekevu123</bdi></a> no where before have you mentioned that you are using the Hetzner Storage-Box product. <a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/joseph" aria-label="Profile: joseph">@<bdi>joseph</bdi></a> had to assume it is some generic provider.<br />
For the future, try to describe your setup as precise as possible. This way you get better and faster answers.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/105362</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.cloudron.io/post/105362</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[BrutalBirdie]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2025 10:13:57 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Backups times out at &quot;Removing directory &#x2F;mnt&#x2F;cloudronbackup&#x2F;snapshot&#x2F;mail (mail)&quot; on Tue, 08 Apr 2025 09:19:26 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Are we sure we are talking baout the same thing? I am using Hetzner Storage Box via SSHFS for backups. This would explain the email issue. But /mnt/cloudronbackup should be on the disk, right?</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/105356</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.cloudron.io/post/105356</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[ekevu123]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2025 09:19:26 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Backups times out at &quot;Removing directory &#x2F;mnt&#x2F;cloudronbackup&#x2F;snapshot&#x2F;mail (mail)&quot; on Tue, 08 Apr 2025 08:16:59 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">IIUC, you are using CIFS/NFS or some mount point for the backups . This mount is not working reliably, since you are unable to delete from the shell either. If so, this is a kernel/network/VPS level issue since Cloudron is not involved at that level . Is it an option to ask the support of the VPS provider or the mount storage provider?</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/105354</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.cloudron.io/post/105354</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[joseph]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2025 08:16:59 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Backups times out at &quot;Removing directory &#x2F;mnt&#x2F;cloudronbackup&#x2F;snapshot&#x2F;mail (mail)&quot; on Tue, 08 Apr 2025 04:15:18 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Unfortunately, I am still having problems with this - every single time, to be precise.</p>
<p dir="auto">I went through the logs of the last backup attempts and looked for the last entries each time:</p>
<pre><code>Apr 08 03:59:59 box:backupformat/rsync Adding vmail/alias@domain.com/mail/.Archive/cur/1640450876.M588430P358.cc2ac4cc0c67,S=14771,W=15404:2,S position 323753 try 1

Apr 06 19:51:40 box:backupformat/rsync Adding vmail/alias@domain.com/mail/.Sent/cur/1674390327.M835576P19744.e4334a49cfa6,S=1973,W=2032:2,S position 431623 try 1

Apr 05 09:13:02 box:shell filesystem: rm -rf /mnt/cloudronbackup/snapshot/mail

Apr 05 03:59:58 box:backupformat/rsync Adding vmail/alias@domain.com/mail/.Archive/cur/1742580897.M74343P843.46f5cae5622d,S=19005,W=19405:2,S position 374316 try 1

Apr 03 21:29:13 box:backupformat/rsync Adding vmail/alias@domain.com/mail/.Archive/cur/1742571065.M344721P843.46f5cae5622d,S=19099,W=19494:2,S position 340523 try 1

Apr 02 17:42:33 box:backupformat/rsync Adding vmail/alias@domain.com/mail/.Archive/cur/1742580774.M330309P843.46f5cae5622d,S=5354,W=5484:2,S position 373873 try 1

Apr 01 08:14:45 box:shell filesystem: rm -rf /mnt/cloudronbackup/snapshot/mail

Apr 01 07:27:11 box:backupformat/rsync Adding vmail/firstname@domain.com/mail/.Virtual.All Mail/cur/1742560747.M843702P858.46f5cae5622d,S=10928,W=11122:2,Sa position 465347 try 1
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<p dir="auto">The error is always "Task 10224 timed out" (with varying numbers)</p>
<p dir="auto">Apps are being backed up normally.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/105341</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.cloudron.io/post/105341</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[ekevu123]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 08 Apr 2025 04:15:18 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Backups times out at &quot;Removing directory &#x2F;mnt&#x2F;cloudronbackup&#x2F;snapshot&#x2F;mail (mail)&quot; on Fri, 04 Apr 2025 06:49:59 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">You have to list the files in the backups and compare it with the listing in appsdata directory , I guess.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/105134</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.cloudron.io/post/105134</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[joseph]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2025 06:49:59 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Backups times out at &quot;Removing directory &#x2F;mnt&#x2F;cloudronbackup&#x2F;snapshot&#x2F;mail (mail)&quot; on Thu, 03 Apr 2025 11:59:25 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Is there a good way to check backup integrity - to understand what has been backed up and what hasn't? Then I can monitor the backup process better, I think.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/105089</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.cloudron.io/post/105089</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[ekevu123]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2025 11:59:25 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Backups times out at &quot;Removing directory &#x2F;mnt&#x2F;cloudronbackup&#x2F;snapshot&#x2F;mail (mail)&quot; on Wed, 02 Apr 2025 15:27:07 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">so <code>rm -rf ...</code> hangs? If so then something is off with that filesystem/disk. Check any system logs for hints, but probably not related to Cloudron itself then.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/104998</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.cloudron.io/post/104998</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[nebulon]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2025 15:27:07 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Backups times out at &quot;Removing directory &#x2F;mnt&#x2F;cloudronbackup&#x2F;snapshot&#x2F;mail (mail)&quot; on Wed, 02 Apr 2025 14:31:20 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I tried running it via terminal, but I had the same thing - it hangs.</p>
<p dir="auto">Also, today, the backup timed out saying "packages out of order".</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/104980</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.cloudron.io/post/104980</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[ekevu123]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2025 14:31:20 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Backups times out at &quot;Removing directory &#x2F;mnt&#x2F;cloudronbackup&#x2F;snapshot&#x2F;mail (mail)&quot; on Tue, 01 Apr 2025 08:16:52 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Yes, you can do that . The backup task will be able to handle it.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/104877</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.cloudron.io/post/104877</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[joseph]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2025 08:16:52 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Backups times out at &quot;Removing directory &#x2F;mnt&#x2F;cloudronbackup&#x2F;snapshot&#x2F;mail (mail)&quot; on Tue, 01 Apr 2025 08:10:54 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">No, I wanted to get confirmation first that I am supposed to do that. I will do that then and try to restart the backup.</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/104874</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.cloudron.io/post/104874</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[ekevu123]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2025 08:10:54 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Backups times out at &quot;Removing directory &#x2F;mnt&#x2F;cloudronbackup&#x2F;snapshot&#x2F;mail (mail)&quot; on Tue, 01 Apr 2025 07:55:44 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Have you tried that command manually? Looks like it hangs. Maybe some mount point issue?</p>
]]></description><link>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/104870</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://forum.cloudron.io/post/104870</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[joseph]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2025 07:55:44 GMT</pubDate></item></channel></rss>