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@fbartels this looks great! I'd like to give it a try, but I'm not sure what the 'first time' message is talking about - what's a TURN server, and if I don't have it configured, is it really entirely self hosted?
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@fbartels could you please explain exactly what a "direct connection" means here:
"In the default configuration there is no TURN server configured, so Kopano Meet will only work between users within networks where direct connections are allowed." ?
i.e. would two users of the same Cloudron but in different physical locations on different networks be able to have a call without a TURN server? Or would that require a TURN server too?
Thanks!
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@thetomester13 TURN is lingo in the networking world. There is even a wikipedia entry for it.
Yes, Meet is entirely self-hosted. even moreso than Jitsi since it does not depend on apps from the Apple and Google app stores to work in mobile devices. But since its not easy to reliable run a turn service (at best two ip addresses, should be reachable on port 443 to not be blocked on public wifi, ..) we are offering it as a service for our customers.
@jdaviescoates said in Upcoming apps:
would two users of the same Cloudron but in different physical locations on different networks be able to have a call without a TURN server?
There is no straight answer to that as it also depends on firewall configuration. In general Meet uses WebRTC to connect the individual users. At best both users can discover each other directly and no external component is required, if that is not the case stun/turn is used to discover each other, do some udp hole punching or in the worst case relay complete traffic (this would then fall on the shoulders of the turn server).
Blog about STUN/TURN https://blog.ivrpowers.com/post/technologies/what-is-stun-turn-server/ (not my blog)
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@fbartels Thanks for the breakdown, I'll give it a whirl!
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Been playing with Kopano Meet on a restricted basis on one of my Cloudron instances. Honestly, it's a good, simple solution for certain purposes, but it seems to lack a lot of the features of a full-on BBB/Jitsi installation, for which reason I would still prefer either of those to be available. Perhaps there's room for both to exist on the platform (I think so! They service different niches well), but for my particular desires/plans, the feature set just isn't quite there.
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What’s the status on Jitsi currently? For my usecases I find it powerful to use the apps that do one or a tightly scoped things well rather than installing suite type apps.
So with Riot out the gates and the Matrix app soon to follow, the logical next step for me in that setup is to bring a Jitsi app in under the same roof (Riot+Matrix uses Jitsi under the hood).
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@yusf But doesn't Matrix have it's own video calling features?
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@murgero For 1on1 calls yes, for group calls no.
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@fbartels said in Upcoming apps:
But since its not easy to reliable run a turn service (at best two ip addresses, should be reachable on port 443 to not be blocked on public wifi, ..) we are offering it as a service for our customers.
I've not looked at this yet but just found this tutorial about how to set up a turn server to work with nextcloud talk
https://help.nextcloud.com/t/howto-setup-nextcloud-talk-with-turn-server/30794 -
I am waiting for Matrix server
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Any news on bitwarden?
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@Trankery You can follow along for the latest on that app via its thread in the App Wishlist - https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/1082/bitwarden-self-hosted-password-manager
