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Video chat and conferencing options



  • @girish said in Video chat and conferencing options:

    One thing to remember is that this videobridge will either be network heavy or CPU heavy and this will cost $ based on where the VPS is hosted.

    This is partly why, like some others, I think we'll soon need some sort of multi-host support so that it's possible to have a single Cloudron running over multiple servers (eg with one run vps just for a jitsi or BigBlueButton video bridge)


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    @jdaviescoates said in Video chat and conferencing options:

    This is partly why, like some others, I think we'll soon need some sort of multi-host support so that it's possible to have a single Cloudron running over multiple servers (eg with one run vps just for a jitsi or BigBlueButton video bridge)

    I haven't looked into BBB but Jitsi's videbridge has the capability to be run standalone and can even connect to completely separate jitsi installations. This way, it is just like a CI system "worker" node (or the only office or collabora app for nextcloud). So, we could also look at making jitsi available without the video bridge as cloudron app and then connecting an external video bridge into it.

    (I guess I am just trying to find a possible solution for not having to solve the cloudron multi-host problem which is quite a big project).



  • @girish Do take a look at "Run your own Skype-like service in less than one hour" by the founder of the Kamailo SIP server open source project where Kamailo works together with Jitsi to enable many to collaborate meaningfully - via audio/video/ screen-sharing in one room - on not "too-big" a server.

    Off course, it could be a "premium" Cloudron offering!



  • I wanted to follow up. I am thinking about seeing what I might be able to set up this weekend, using my cloudron setup. Much has changed with cloudron wigh @girish and @nebulon (and others) hard work updating Cloudron and getting TURN implemented. (Another thank you)
    Much has also changed in the world with covid19.
    I am curious what people are running- easily...????????

    I am still looking for:
    Single login (or as few as possible)
    File sharing (similar to next cloud)
    1 on 1 video chat ( single click would be nice to launch)
    Group chat ( similar to google hangouts or zoom)
    Screen sharing , white boards, ether pad integrated in video call
    Sharing prerecorded video
    Ability to create & join conference from smartphone
    Recording web conference ( can use OBS)
    Remote Desktop like teamviewer. Had not thought about this, but this would be amazing.

    This is a pretty long list. What would be awesome is getting something off the ground like Zoom. @gish gave an excellent explanation of the hurdles creating a multi user video conference. So am I to assume that at this point selfhosting something like zoom is not really possible?

    What have people had a chance to experiment with?

    How many have people been able to create a group video chat with utilizing cloudron?



  • @seeker said in Video chat and conferencing options:

    While there are many solutions around that could fit your needs, I can only share what I am personally using/recommending for the various use cases you describe:

    I am still looking for:
    Single login (or as few as possible)

    Use oidc (OpenID Connect) whenever possible. As for oidc providers: you can use Kopano Meet (check @fbartels post on this for further information: Link) or Rocket.Chat as oidc providers for example. Many apps (Nextcloud, Rocket.Chat, NodeBB with plugin) support OpenID Connect.

    File sharing (similar to next cloud)

    I personally like Nextcloud for file sharing (and just for that purpose)

    1 on 1 video chat ( single click would be nice to launch)

    Kopano Meet is a great option here. No plugins necessary, works on mobile devices, private (internal) and external video chat with guests possible.

    Group chat ( similar to google hangouts or zoom)

    For group video chat, something with a MCU/videobridge would be necessary. Jitsi would be great for this, but packaging seems to be not an easy task.

    Screen sharing , white boards, ether pad integrated in video call

    For small groups with just a few people working on a document together, Nextcloud Talk with OnlyOffice would be an option as well.

    Sharing prerecorded video

    Not sure about that, maybe Nextcloud?

    Ability to create & join conference from smartphone

    Both Kopano Meet and Jitsi can be uses from mobile devices. Jitsi needs an app, Kopano Meet uses the WebRTC support available in all modern web browsers.

    Recording web conference ( can use OBS)
    Remote Desktop like teamviewer. Had not thought about this, but this would be amazing.

    Not sure about those two. I‘ve read about a self hosted open source alternative to TeamViewer, but haven‘t had a chance to give it a try (would have to see if I can still find the link to that).

    Update: The TeamViewer alternative I was writing about was this: https://www.meshcommander.com - never tried nor looked deeper into this though...



  • @NCKNE Thank you so much!



  • Nextcloud Talk 9 coming out soon with some improvements.

    Even more significantly, the high performance backend has been open sourced:

    https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2541/nextcloud-talk-high-performance-back-end/


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    Jitsi docs got a rework - https://jitsi.github.io/handbook/ and https://docs.easyjitsi.com/docs/welcome. So we will revisit jitsi again after 5.2 release (should be out today/tomorrow).



  • @girish Great news. I'm guessing that the folks at Jitsi also feel the pressure from a quarantined world.



  • @girish said in Video chat and conferencing options:

    we will revisit jitsi again after 5.2 release

    No idea if it's useful, but just in case it is, I just came across this Ansible role to install & configure Jitsi Meet on the CoTech forum and the person who shared said "Looks solid, has tests"

    https://github.com/systemli/ansible-role-jitsi-meet


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