<![CDATA[Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades]]>Today my Cloudron instance crashed during the automatic upgrade process - it's the first time in like 3 years, but it's pretty much enough for me to disable automatic platform upgrades anywhere until you can make it atomic (for example using snap or other Ubuntu Core or any other ways), just like you did for the apps.

But I can see that you have one switch for both - apps and the platform.

Could you please, separate that configuration?

Considering last upgrade issues in 7.5 and my specific issue, where the whole configuration is lost, I would like to ask you to make it as a priority, if possible.

Screenshot 2023-09-01 at 10.23.43.png

]]>https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/9944/please-separate-automatic-apps-and-platform-upgradesRSS for NodeWed, 10 Jun 2026 21:26:04 GMTFri, 01 Sep 2023 08:28:44 GMT60<![CDATA[Reply to Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades on Fri, 17 Apr 2026 14:42:41 GMT]]>Thank you!

]]>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/123591https://forum.cloudron.io/post/123591Fri, 17 Apr 2026 14:42:41 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades on Mon, 16 Mar 2026 05:00:49 GMT]]>Implemented in https://git.cloudron.io/platform/box/-/commit/f334c696cbce9028354e05bc9898557cbb469a60

]]>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/121927https://forum.cloudron.io/post/121927Mon, 16 Mar 2026 05:00:49 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades on Wed, 20 Sep 2023 11:10:31 GMT]]>@nebulon thank you! I've managed to find a way around to keep automated updates keeping the risk of update failure to a minimum, but - don't you consider using btrfs or zfs's snapshots to work that around on the platform level?

]]>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73933https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73933Wed, 20 Sep 2023 11:10:31 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades on Mon, 11 Sep 2023 19:36:44 GMT]]>This only updates the platform itself. App updates have to be triggered individually via API (apps API docs are still pending as we rework the docs currently)

]]>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73478https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73478Mon, 11 Sep 2023 19:36:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades on Mon, 11 Sep 2023 18:38:27 GMT]]>@girish , will that API call update all of the pending apps as well?
https://docs.cloudron.io/api.html#tag/Updater/operation/updateCloudron

If not, what would be?

]]>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73472https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73472Mon, 11 Sep 2023 18:38:27 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades on Wed, 06 Sep 2023 14:47:46 GMT]]>@girish I see. It feels like the platform doesn't really favour manual updates or a separate platform and apps updates.

I can understand that - the concept of making a lot of upgrades often - but it's really a pity from the perspective of managing quite a few cloudrons in business critical tasks.

]]>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73258https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73258Wed, 06 Sep 2023 14:47:46 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades on Wed, 06 Sep 2023 14:40:44 GMT]]>@potemkin_ai The app section is referring to the app's update settings. The global section is referring to the global settings. Global settings overrides the app level settings. So, in this case, all updates are disabled.

The app setting is simply saying updates are enabled at the app level. But the global level setting will prevent the app from updating.

]]>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73257https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73257Wed, 06 Sep 2023 14:40:44 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades on Wed, 06 Sep 2023 14:29:05 GMT]]>@girish frankly speaking, reverse engineering is not what I've been hoping for 🙂

Please, check screenshots from the same platform - with automatic updates disabled, while it still says that apps are still covered by an automatic updates.

Where is a truth here?

Screenshot 2023-09-06 at 16.27.06.png Screenshot 2023-09-06 at 16.27.18.png

]]>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73253https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73253Wed, 06 Sep 2023 14:29:05 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades on Wed, 06 Sep 2023 05:10:48 GMT]]>We are just getting the 7.5 announcements out. Will fix up the rest API docs later this week. There's a lot of api calls that have changed. But what you are asking can be done using api as @robi said. If you curious just follow the browser api calls.

]]>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73202https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73202Wed, 06 Sep 2023 05:10:48 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades on Wed, 06 Sep 2023 04:52:08 GMT]]>Well, if you can do it from the UI there's an API, so one can look at all the browser calls as they're made. I started a few posts here on the forum documenting my steps with similar attempts to automate it, but got stuck with no help.

Might be good to wait until @girish documents the overhauled API and makes things easier.

]]>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73201https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73201Wed, 06 Sep 2023 04:52:08 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades on Tue, 05 Sep 2023 19:48:52 GMT]]>@robi I wouldn't mind if you share whatever you have / ready to do, that's for sure.

The problem is that, according to @girish , there is no API, unless I'm missing something.

]]>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73178https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73178Tue, 05 Sep 2023 19:48:52 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades on Tue, 05 Sep 2023 18:18:36 GMT]]>@potemkin_ai scripting within n8n.. or even just a bunch of curl commands I think

]]>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73176https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73176Tue, 05 Sep 2023 18:18:36 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades on Tue, 05 Sep 2023 11:11:50 GMT]]>@robi pardon?

]]>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73151https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73151Tue, 05 Sep 2023 11:11:50 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades on Tue, 05 Sep 2023 09:47:38 GMT]]>@potemkin_ai it can do that too

]]>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73146https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73146Tue, 05 Sep 2023 09:47:38 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades on Tue, 05 Sep 2023 07:01:26 GMT]]>@robi I prefer minimum of the moving parts and I don’t really like the programming with n8n; writing a script feels much easier and less error prone.

]]>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73139https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73139Tue, 05 Sep 2023 07:01:26 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades on Tue, 05 Sep 2023 06:19:51 GMT]]>@potemkin_ai perhaps make an N8N workflow with the API

]]>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73135https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73135Tue, 05 Sep 2023 06:19:51 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades on Tue, 05 Sep 2023 05:12:02 GMT]]>@girish Ok… what about something that gets all apps list, check and execute update on any of those, who has ‘update available’ flag?

]]>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73133https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73133Tue, 05 Sep 2023 05:12:02 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades on Tue, 05 Sep 2023 22:01:12 GMT]]>@potemkin_ai internally, there is only one update pattern, we have to implement splitting it up.

]]>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73125https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73125Tue, 05 Sep 2023 22:01:12 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades on Mon, 04 Sep 2023 16:48:13 GMT]]>@girish I see, thank you for clarification. I guess it means we are speaking months here.

Is there any API call, that I can probably execute with curl to automatically update only apps from cron?

]]>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73100https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73100Mon, 04 Sep 2023 16:48:13 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades on Mon, 04 Sep 2023 13:54:04 GMT]]>@potemkin_ai said in Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades:

Does it mean that separate apps updates and manual platform updates are out of the scope for the foreseeable future?

Ah no. I was simply stating the lay of the land 🙂

If it's seen as useful by many, we will implement it.

]]>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73083https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73083Mon, 04 Sep 2023 13:54:04 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades on Mon, 04 Sep 2023 13:08:19 GMT]]>@girish thank you.

Does it mean that separate apps updates and manual platform updates are out of the scope for the foreseeable future?

]]>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73079https://forum.cloudron.io/post/73079Mon, 04 Sep 2023 13:08:19 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades on Fri, 01 Sep 2023 12:01:07 GMT]]>@necrevistonnezr said in Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades:

So was this a "standard" update or - as "many releases ago" suggests - an update crossing several versions?

We only have standard update i.e updating from previous version to next one. Cannot jump several versions (atleast, we have never tested this, but in any case there is no easy way to do this unless you hotfix the code from gitlab).

I was debugging a bit yesterday but we have a code path where we create keys. These keys have to be written into filesystem and the database. It's written in db for backup and written in filesystem for containers to be able to use them. Unfortunately, writing to fs and db is not an atomic operation. The current code gets confused if there is some crash between the two writes (for example, no disk space). I will just fix it to be more robust.

]]>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/72930https://forum.cloudron.io/post/72930Fri, 01 Sep 2023 12:01:07 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades on Fri, 01 Sep 2023 11:57:35 GMT]]>@potemkin_ai said in Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades:

@necrevistonnezr not quite correct, not from what I know at least: I remember some apps just were not updated during the transition from 7.4 to 7.5 due to some database dependency.

No, happens quite frequently. Just a few examples:

So, I believe, the dependency mechanism is there and could be used appropriately.

And if that's correct, I would rather have an outdated app instead of the crashed one.

Agreed.

]]>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/72929https://forum.cloudron.io/post/72929Fri, 01 Sep 2023 11:57:35 GMT<![CDATA[Reply to Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades on Fri, 01 Sep 2023 11:53:35 GMT]]>@girish said in Please, separate automatic apps and platform upgrades:

@potemkin_ai Ah yes, thanks. I just read the ticket. This is related to sftp keys migration which happenned many releases ago. It leaves the system in an inconsistent state. Strange bug somewhere.

So was this a "standard" update or - as "many releases ago" suggests - an update crossing several versions?

]]>https://forum.cloudron.io/post/72927https://forum.cloudron.io/post/72927Fri, 01 Sep 2023 11:53:35 GMT