I have begun to package this today. Hope to have something for comment in the next few days.

cc: @marcusquinn

Hey all, I just obtained my LLC status for The Doodle Project! If you're looking for assistance in Cloudron help or are interested in some of my services I offer, <insert shameless plug here>. Delighted to be working with several of you on hosting Nextcloud Talk High Performance Backend, Big Blue Button (both of those offered in both US and EU), as well as a bunch of other shiny fun things. Holler if you need anything!

Of course, if you have questions about the LLC'ness, happy to answer any time. Especially important if you're considering setting up shop in the US with a Mastodon (or similar) instance to provide coverage for the ugliness out there. Have also been thinking about offering a service to help customers host their own instances of that underneath my 'umbrella' - let me know if interested.

This app is now up and functional. Please test! I'll submit to the appstore for WIP in a day or so after some more cleanup and testing.

https://git.cloudron.io/doodlemania2/paperless-ng/

Note: inbound mail is enabled, but you have to configure it yourself in paperless config. I haven't tested that yet and from the looks of the repo, there are lots of issues with mail at the moment, so we may ship unstable without inbound mail.

cc: @girish

I ran some traps on this thread posted by a law group that had set up their own instance. Also @girish echo'ed the DCMA business in another thread. Thought I'd share:

"Do Future You a huge favor, mitigate your potential liability, and register with the copyright office and designate an agent to receive DMCA reports right now. https://copyright.gov/dmca-directory/

It costs $6 a year. Use a forwarding phone # and a PO Box or other address you check frequently, not your home address: it will be public. Without this registration, you WILL be held liable for any copyright violation on your instance.

I also strongly recommend that if you run an instance, incorporate as a LLC and -- this is the critical part -- take out an umbrella liability insurance policy with coverage of at least $2m per incident and covers attorney costs and fees.
(If you have homeowners or renters' insurance, and you should, this should be a very cheap rider on the policy. 99% of the time it will be unnecessary and the other 1% it will save your ass completely.)

I am somehow not surprised that only two Mastodon instances have registered designated agents and one of them is the Lawprofs instance.

<tweak by Derek>Also: "I found someone on my instance posting CSAM" is not the time to have to learn the reporting process for that vileness. Learn and report ASAP via NCMEC in case of CSAM posted to your service. Legally mandated.</tweak by Derek>

But yeah, for copyright, feel free to steal our DMCA policy, it's CC-BY-SA. (Note that we willingly accept a level of potential risk around repeat offender account termination that may be outside your risk tolerance.) https://dreamwidth.org/legal/dmca

Our ToS and privacy policy are also CC, and you're welcome to use them, but they should be more customized for your individual situation than just "take this and change it to your contact info".

The relevant section of copyright law is 17 USC §512 and you can read it here: https://law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/512 You are protected from liability for your users' copyright violations, but ONLY if you follow this process, and the process includes registering a designated agent.

I can't give you legal advice and none of this is intended as such, but if you're absolutely at sea and have never heard of any of this before, I can try to answer general questions.

I have posted the "guide to familiarize you with various legal obligations involved in hosting a server that accepts user-generated content such as a Mastodon instance"! It's here: https://denise.dreamwidth.org/91757.html

Original thread: https://twitter.com/rahaeli/status/1593819064161665024 Tweaked by me for clarity.

Net - if you're running an instance that's open - be aware. If you're running a closed or single user instance, still not a terrible idea. I'm going to be doing it myself for my single user instance because I also run an open relay to help folks out.

@robi Here's the recording yall if you like:
https://video.apps.thedoodleproject.net/videos/watch/e7125134-fca9-4c0a-9d29-69cf19eb2464

The encoding was a bit off between audio and video. Not sure what that was about.

As for tech used to produce this glorious (haha) event - writing up a blog entry on that today/tomorrow and will publish if anyone was curious.

Goodnight all - and go paperlessng!

@doodlemania2 I've got this thing to a heartbeat status but it has lots of dependencies flying around - trying another approach to packaging to squash em. Will advise on first checkin.

@doodlemania2 If anyone is still interested, I'm game to doing another event. Maybe only loosely related to app packaging, maybe we do an educational series or something about how to use the CR.

As an aside, you are all now welcome to use my BBB/Greenlight I have up and running!

this is ready for testing - please send me a DM if you'd like to try it out!

@sam_uk I'm going to try next week when things at work calm down a bit.

I have a Nextcloud Talk High Performance Backend and BBB (for your Greenlight app) available for your use.

If you'd like to use it, I'm offering it for free*. Just DM me for details.

*I will likely start charging in the not terribly distant future, but am open to understanding:

1. Does anyone think this is useful?
2. What would you be willing to pay?

I'm thinking $1-2 US / mo for up to 10 users. Eh? Really the only expense is bandwidth and just a hair of admin overhead. Would welcome your thoughts. Not in it to make $$$, just cover costs.

@girish shit... yep - removed the bucket name and all works fine now. good lord. sorry about that - quite a chase

@girish Okay, so, something else might be going on here. Refer back to my backup config pointing at cloudron-backup-dallas bucket. Snapshots are landing in there and look good.

Now, recently, I had migrated the server to a new host, and the original bucket was named cloudron-backup-migrate. I kept that bucket around just in case I needed to get an old copy back.

I ran several app updates this morning to test as requested. Guess where the app backups are landing?

So, it seems there's an artifact somewhere still holding on to the old bucket? (am currently on 7.3.5)

@girish - got to 7.3.5 but stuck getting to 7.3.6 with:

"taskId": "12895",
"errorMessage": "Error listing objects in snapshot/app_19ee5686-c489-4855-b5b1-dcd62b3d287b.tar.gz.enc. Message: The specified key does not exist. HTTP Code: NoSuchKey",
"timedOut": false
}

@girish was on 7.3.4 - updating now! Will confirm back.

@girish one thing to check though would be why it was (continues to) reporting success. Surely, it's throwing an error in there somewhere!

@girish better me than a customer! bummed about the data loss but i can rebuild it. Let me know if you need a test bed to poke on things.

@girish indeed, there are no timestamped app folders. Wondering if idrive is being weird? Here's the scrubbed config I'm using:

I had to delete the app I was messing with as it was in a bad state after attempting to restore to an earlier version and then backup not found. Assuming the Box backups are working (feels like they are given items in the snapshot folder), the data should be in there somewhere, but again, yes, nothing at the root of the bucket other than 'snapshots.'

I have my apps backing up:

But when I go to download one, I get an error:

A quick look at my S3 endpoint (idrive) and the files are indeeed not there:

Since snapshots are there, I checked the full system backups and they seem fine:

and:

It's like the app specific backups that happen when I update an app are just ... not happening - file not found style.

This bit me today when attempting to roll baserow back because "something" changed and my webhooks stopped working. Since none of the listed backups were actually present on idrive, I assume I have data loss, except for the snapshot.

So, two questions - can I restore a single app from a snapshot of the system backup and...how can I figure out what's cooking with my app backups?

rats - I thought it would. Putting CR auth in front of Loki may be problematic - how would a payload or client that is pushing data to loki know that it's cloudron asking and not loki. if loki has no knowledge of auth, the inverse is problematic too.

@alwynispat sure of course:

Puma

export WEB_CONCURRENCY=4 # number of worker processes
export MAX_THREADS=5 # the number of threads per process

Streaming API

export STREAMING_CLUSTER_NUM=2 # number of worker processes

Sidekiq

export SIDEKIQ_THREADS=4
export DB_POOL=25 # must be at least the same as the number of threads