Hey, big fan of what you're doing here!

Is anyone interested in sponsored App creation?

As a business, we can budget for this as a reasonable expense and happy to contribute to both the creator and the community with helping fund these things.

@JOduMonT I think the world has change now there's more value in data than people released but capitalism knows and is both; competing to acquire, and exploiting, in ways beyond most people's imaginations - until they find election campaigning shenanigans but don't know what to do about it.

So necessary to trust in services; yes.

Trust them with your valuable and private data?

When Google is reading your shopping email confirmations and Facebook is reading everything with a "Like" script, I think it's a responsibility to have parts of your data world not visible to the marketing world.

Privacy, encryption and permissions should be as essential in schooling for the Technology Revolution as literacy was for The Renaissance.

So - data privacy politics for 6.1 anyone?

I'm thinking knowing this can help build the community and customers, that ultimately invest in a platform we all seem to enjoy. Likes & reviews on these places could help.

I'll start, quite an easy one and common I'm sure: https://alternativeto.net/software/cloudron/

Previously tried Cloudways, Runcloud, D2C.io, all pretty good - but Cloudron just spoke to me for the low entry point for personal use, large variety of apps we already use and were setup with more complex K8S and multi-server/provider setups.

Just made complete sense to consolidate a lot of that and optimise for single-server setups with a more accessible admin interface that didn't require high-level dev-ops in-house for the more common needs of any open-source-first and privacy-conscious people or team.

I try to @mention Cloudron regularly on Twitter too on comments on other large open source account tweets for a bit more interest from those likely to find the same satisfying time-saving I'm here for.

We can sponsor the following for anyone wanting to get paid to package?

Need these to migrate over our current instances:

• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/1256/odoo-distributed-business-apps
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/1596/node-red-flow-based-programming-for-the-internet-of-things
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/1227/grafana-metric-analytic-dashboard
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2812/prometheus-monitoring-time-series-database
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/1239/guacamole-remote-desktop
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2813/icinga2
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2811/logstash
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2810/kibana-browser-for-elastic-stack
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/1179/locust-load-testing-tool
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2814/tabula-extracts-table-data-from-pdfs-when-copy-paste-often-doesn-t
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/1654/atlassian-jira-the-1-software-development-tool-used-by-agile-teams

Would like to try:

• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/1743/directus-headless-cms-and-data-driven-framework-open-source-alternative-to-contentful
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2803/dreamfactory-api-management
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2375/datafire-an-even-better-zapier-alternative
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2935/vuls-io-server-app-security-monitoring
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/1096/suitecrm
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2815/live-helper-chat-with-co-browsing
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/1101/open-xchange-groupware
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2905/gluu
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2966/rss-to-activitypub-for-ghost-wordpress-etc-rss-feed-posting-to-the-fediverse
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/1059/akaunting-free-accounting-software
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/1228/erpnext-cost-effective-erp-solution
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2352/stackstorm-zapier-alternative
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/3001/astuto-for-user-customer-feedback-and-roadmap
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/1102/huginn-a-system-for-building-agents-that-perform-automated-tasks-for-you-online
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/1274/easy-appointments
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2805/worldbrain-s-memex
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2872/cattr-time-tracking
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2909/fusionauth
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2932/payid-org-server
• https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2759/strapi-open-source-node-js-headless-cms-to-easily-build-customisable-apis

Looking at the current rate of App packaging and launch on Cloudron, I can only guess all this might take 5 years unless there's something I'm missing.

So many great Apps but I'm not getting any closer to app system consolidation without having a bunch of these. How can we speed this packaging process up?

Sorry, I'd love to learn and do but just can't neglect current duties right now. What I can do is divert a bit of budget if that helps.

If the community here is in a similar position, perhaps we can have a whip-round and contribute to recruiting for this?

I also have some seriously decent privacy-conscious client potential for all of this - but we have to dog-food anything before we can promote it.

Very happy with Cloudron - all features definitely going in a great direction - but how do we get more Apps into the Store faster? That App Request list is going up faster than down.

@girish I'll log a ticket with them and keep you posted. This forum is a sys admin treasure trove of useful experience, so it's the least I can do!

I'm sure we all search for "{app name} alternatives" plenty.

I'm also sure we all benefit from Cloudron having more subscribers and growing the team and community.

Therefore, may I suggest a thread for links to places people are finding Cloudron or similar and using all the goodwill, and many people here, to help with some good old-fashioned organic marketing and pr for the cause.

I've added a review and rating here (surferking):

https://alternativeto.net/software/cloudron/about/

Post any other links and I'm happy to do the same, I'm sure we almost all are. Always genuine reviews - but you don't always get if you don't ask

It's a no - maybe - the shortness of the answer doesn't convince me completely but not an immediate need and with the stories of pretty painless migration I'll post again if I try them again on the subject.

( and plugging Cloudron in all related conversations now )

Very much looking forward to seeing how you develop the multi-host features for 6.0.

If I may suggest for consideration in that it would be very useful to be able to move an entire domain with all it's configurations and apps from one Cloudron to another with a button, confirmation and function that went through the processes. I image it would need to pause all services on that domain during the transition to ensure data is frozen but it could be a scheduled maintenance or just a staging Cloudron to live Cloudron launch process.

So we can set everything up on one Cloudron instance, and them move the whole thing to another separate and dedicated one.

Might be a big ask - but though it worth bearing in mind in your designs and planning.

"Kutt is a modern URL shortener with support for custom domains. Shorten URLs, manage your links and view the click rate statistics."

• https://kutt.it
• https://github.com/thedevs-network/kutt

I'm a fan of open source and certainly encourage it with my team - but it comes with overhead and responsibilities beyond working on the actual product, so it's not something to take on lightly or without expectation for the time-costs in managing that.

On the flip-side open-source is infinite almost free referral marketing.

From a business point of view, I would think that hosts themselves should be the primary target for sponsorship since the more that can offer Cloudron, the broader their potential customer-base and those customers subscription to their resources.

If Cloudron.io were able to Terraform the Cloudron instances to popular hosts and then the cloudron.io site was the only way to manage multiple hosts with a subscription, I could see value in that because the subscription costs is still less than the time-costs being saved.

I'm fine with hybrid models, we can hire developers to fix issues if they have a higher priority for us than you guys but also it is important to me that the platform commitments we make have a sustainable business model to remain motivated and evolving as needs arise.

Your work, your choice, either way big kudos for what you've already done and thanks for saving me a ton of time and money already!

I just messages someone about the Cloudron forum and liked my quote on it too much not to share:

"One of the most positive and proactive communities I've joined. It's like a System Admin's therapy group "

@nebulon makes sense, I think on balance I'm happy with your approach and reasoning on this and the micro-convenience would be at the cost of displacing risks. Better sticking with what already works IMHO.

I had the same question once until I noticed the footer text. Maybe worth also showing it on the Updates panel?

Just noting from my travels in case there's interest. Although, in reality I think Odoo provides the best CRM FOSS option for community and reputation.

"The Crust CRM Suite is the highly flexible, scalable and open source Salesforce alternative, that enables you to sell faster and interact with leads, clients and team members easier then ever before. Seamless integration with Crust Messaging and Crust Identity and Access Management make it the most complete and flexible self-hosted CRM platform on the market."

• https://www.crust.tech/products/crust-crm/
• https://www.crust.tech/community-and-ecosystem/github/
• https://github.com/crusttech
• https://alternativeto.net/software/crust-crm/reviews/

Not sure if this is the best solution but missing 2FA on Mautic makes me a little nervous for GDPR expectations.

• https://autoize.ch/2-factor-authentication-2fa-for-mautic/
• https://github.com/hostnetbr/mautic-googleauthenticator

@Lonk Yeah, of course the Adminier WP plugin option only works if WP is running. I feel we're going to discover a few things when we come to bring the Brandlight stack into being a Cloudron App, so following your adventures with interest.

Interesting weekend read: https://plausible.io/blog/open-source-funding

@Lonk Ahh, true, I was thinking backwards. www. ? Or just stay in the my. club that likely will cause less support issues

@robi Interesting, not seen that before, we're mostly Atom / Jetbrains & GitHub Desktop / CLI. Is git.cloudron.io already setup with GitPod or is that the proposal?