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I just messages someone about the Cloudron forum and liked my quote on it too much not to share:

"One of the most positive and proactive communities I've joined. It's like a System Admin's therapy group "

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Hey, big fan of what you're doing here!

Is anyone interested in sponsored App creation?

As a business, we can budget for this as a reasonable expense and happy to contribute to both the creator and the community with helping fund these things.

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I'm thinking knowing this can help build the community and customers, that ultimately invest in a platform we all seem to enjoy. Likes & reviews on these places could help.

I'll start, quite an easy one and common I'm sure: https://alternativeto.net/software/cloudron/

Previously tried Cloudways, Runcloud, D2C.io, all pretty good - but Cloudron just spoke to me for the low entry point for personal use, large variety of apps we already use and were setup with more complex K8S and multi-server/provider setups.

Just made complete sense to consolidate a lot of that and optimise for single-server setups with a more accessible admin interface that didn't require high-level dev-ops in-house for the more common needs of any open-source-first and privacy-conscious people or team.

I try to @mention Cloudron regularly on Twitter too on comments on other large open source account tweets for a bit more interest from those likely to find the same satisfying time-saving I'm here for.

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The absence of 2FA on the LDAP login Apps makes me nervous for GDPR and typical security needs nowadays.

I don't know that anyone's ever had a break-in yet, and fail2ban is a good start but expectations for 2FA are increasing.

I wonder if a global solution would be for all Cloudron packaged apps to use a Cloudron login screen with 2FA instead of the app's native logins?

Realising this is development overhead in packaging, open to discussion and alternative suggestions. Hoping this idea is more evolution than revolution.

The more we use any data-silo, the potentially more valuable or attractive it becomes for unscrupulous targeting.

Thoughts?

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Who needs Twitter, when we have the Cloudron forum to follow each day

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I'm sure we all search for "{app name} alternatives" plenty.

I'm also sure we all benefit from Cloudron having more subscribers and growing the team and community.

Therefore, may I suggest a thread for links to places people are finding Cloudron or similar and using all the goodwill, and many people here, to help with some good old-fashioned organic marketing and pr for the cause.

I've added a review and rating here (surferking):

https://alternativeto.net/software/cloudron/about/

Post any other links and I'm happy to do the same, I'm sure we almost all are. Always genuine reviews - but you don't always get if you don't ask

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Hey @girish and @nebulon in the time I've been here, it's great to be a part of what you have created in the platform and the community, and seeing new names all the time appear with brilliant work and ideas really is giving life to Cloudron and everyone collaborating.

I feel that a dedicate "Freelance Work" group would be good for many. There's people here with great skills, and there's people here with clients, budgets, contact networks etc.

I feel that a pinned post at the top of this new group should say something like:

Welcome to the Cloudron community, we hope you will find many like-minds here for making good things happen with the Cloudron platform and community.

If you have work or skills to offer, please post your needs and expectations to announce your availability and interests.

All agreements are between yourselves and the Cloudron forum is simply a place to meet people that can help each other.

Please state your preferred contact method; DM chat in the forum is probably the safest way to share contact details privately.

Be respectful for the value of what you ask for or offer. It takes years of experience to know how to do something in hours and days. Respect your work or your developer commission for the value of the results to you both. Allow for unexpected issues and maintenance.

You can include links to your work if you wish but no affiliate links 3rd-party platforms, and no freelance recruitment platform marketing please.

This is only for person to person networking, so no company promotion please. If you are seeking or know of full-time employment opportunities, that is still a personal networking referral.

Cloudron is not a party to any contracts, offers no endorsement or assurances on the forum members communications and reserves the right to remove any advertising that is not related to the Cloudron platform, Apps and community spirit. Caveat Emptor & Caveat Venditor; Buyer Beware & Seller Beware.

The moderators reserve the right to query any post or member on the legitimacy of their post, remove any post at any time for any reason without obligation for explanation, and all other forum etiquette rules apply.

Welcome to your Cloudron Freelance Work community, and we look forward to hearing what you can all create together!

Something like that

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We can sponsor the following for anyone wanting to get paid to package?

Need these to migrate over our current instances:

Need solutions for:

Looking at the current rate of App packaging and launch on Cloudron, I can only guess all this might take 5 years unless there's something I'm missing.

So many great Apps but I'm not getting any closer to app system consolidation without having a bunch of these. How can we speed this packaging process up?

Sorry, I'd love to learn and do but just can't neglect current duties right now. What I can do is divert a bit of budget if that helps.

If the community here is in a similar position, perhaps we can have a whip-round and contribute to recruiting for this?

I also have some seriously decent privacy-conscious client potential for all of this - but we have to dog-food anything before we can promote it.

Very happy with Cloudron - all features definitely going in a great direction - but how do we get more Apps into the Store faster? That App Request list is going up faster than down.

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@JOduMonT I think the world has change now there's more value in data than people released but capitalism knows and is both; competing to acquire, and exploiting, in ways beyond most people's imaginations - until they find election campaigning shenanigans but don't know what to do about it.

So necessary to trust in services; yes.

Trust them with your valuable and private data?

When Google is reading your shopping email confirmations and Facebook is reading everything with a "Like" script, I think it's a responsibility to have parts of your data world not visible to the marketing world.

Privacy, encryption and permissions should be as essential in schooling for the Technology Revolution as literacy was for The Renaissance.

So - data privacy politics for 6.1 anyone?

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@girish I'll log a ticket with them and keep you posted. This forum is a sys admin treasure trove of useful experience, so it's the least I can do!

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I'm working on something for everyone. Please keep pinging your interest in here and I'll share more when ready, hopefully a few weeks...

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@micmc Cloudron on Hetzner (Germany). The speed is the same on any spec as it can only use one CPU at a time anyway. Hardware won't fix unoptimised software. Much of the optimisation is selective plugin unloading per page, so that only the plugins actually used on any page are loaded. The shop is Elasticsearch, again on a pretty small VM.

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Hey everyone,

Cloudron has been truly inspiring, and I want to everyone help more for all that everyone involved has been helping me with app packaging and discussion.

I've been in the digital business forever (25+ years) and have a pretty good network of contacts, all needing something, and often something we can solve with the right app(s) and setup(s).

Can I get a show of hands for who is interested in client referrals for app setup, hosting and maintenance services based on Cloudron and the specialist things you can do with them?

Developers, designers, writers, admins, consultants, that sort of thing.

I'm thinking to focus on clients that are willing to pay retainers, whether just for hosting & maintenance or regular consultancy time.

This way we can all use our good experience here and networks to make referrals based on availability and speciality.

I'll also be referring as many people as I can to Cloudron itself. Just don't ever sell-out, you're already worth too much independent, and I want to do all I can to make that more

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@malvim exactly this

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Oooops:

https://www.theregister.com/2020/10/23/riaa_youtube_dl_github/
Deplatforming is a growing hazard!

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@ruihildt Sure, and aware of Discourse, been online since modems where a thing you placed your Bakelite phone on

TBH, sounds like a thing for you to do privately with any fellow acquaintances you make here that can afford the time, so the forum still finds you those connections, and it seems you already found those to chat with when specifically needed.

I just can't see myself being able to get involved in yet another chat channel among many commitments, so guessing others may be similar.

Kinda feels like what we already have from @girish and @nebulon in his answer already serves everyone very well, and I've been through the multi-channel comms issues with collab work so many times now I'm shy of anything that presumes attention, when most people I work with are more productive when collab is at their asynchronous leisure.

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Integromat is good for sharing workflows, so I guess something like that. Not looked at the app yet but always happy to share if we create something useful if it has a method for storage that can be easily shared.

Did some nifty accounting automations with Google Vision for extracting text from scanned documents and storing all in Xero for search-ability.

All these ETL apps tend to be as useful as their pre-built connectors, when you have to write them as well, it can be quicker to just use whatever app already has them, and with development we rarely get time to come back and refactor for the preferred app, despite the continual dream of having less apps that do more.

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For interest, I work with a team of 12 developers and around 20 others across departments every day, we're a fully remote team.

For the development team we're about 90% discussion in GitLab tickets, the rest through Discord (not Discourse). The Customer Services team is about the same. Generally, all the chat is FYIs, attention-needing stuff, alerts or idle gossip for a break.

We just get more done in the ticket/post/thread asynchronous stuff when we're all multi-tasking.

I'm not against chat and the forum does have that available, but for development the ability to search threads and read the discussions that led to a commit is valuable, and there's no real limits to storage of that when thoughtfully categorised.

Every single time I've seen a Discord "Community" created for something, it goes from lonely hearts to distracting noise pretty quickly and I have to mute the whole thing.

I like a chat, and always open for DMs but to me work is something that needs the organisation and openness of topic-specific threaded conversations, and searchability for those evolutions. It helps focus the mind when knowing conversations are becoming a historic record and keeps the noise and interruptions factors limited when trying to focus on developments.

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@girish Cool, I sent them a link to this page, so hopefully they'll find the same enthusiasm I have for what Cloudron makes possible thanks to you guys!

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@Lonk Gluu perhaps?

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