Hey, big fan of what you're doing here!

Is anyone interested in sponsored App creation?

As a business, we can budget for this as a reasonable expense and happy to contribute to both the creator and the community with helping fund these things.

@JOduMonT I think the world has change now there's more value in data than people released but capitalism knows and is both; competing to acquire, and exploiting, in ways beyond most people's imaginations - until they find election campaigning shenanigans but don't know what to do about it.

So necessary to trust in services; yes.

Trust them with your valuable and private data?

When Google is reading your shopping email confirmations and Facebook is reading everything with a "Like" script, I think it's a responsibility to have parts of your data world not visible to the marketing world.

Privacy, encryption and permissions should be as essential in schooling for the Technology Revolution as literacy was for The Renaissance.

So - data privacy politics for 6.1 anyone?

@girish I'll log a ticket with them and keep you posted. This forum is a sys admin treasure trove of useful experience, so it's the least I can do!

I'm sure we all search for "{app name} alternatives" plenty.

I'm also sure we all benefit from Cloudron having more subscribers and growing the team and community.

Therefore, may I suggest a thread for links to places people are finding Cloudron or similar and using all the goodwill, and many people here, to help with some good old-fashioned organic marketing and pr for the cause.

I've added a review and rating here (surferking):

https://alternativeto.net/software/cloudron/about/

Post any other links and I'm happy to do the same, I'm sure we almost all are. Always genuine reviews - but you don't always get if you don't ask

It's a no - maybe - the shortness of the answer doesn't convince me completely but not an immediate need and with the stories of pretty painless migration I'll post again if I try them again on the subject.

( and plugging Cloudron in all related conversations now )

I'm a fan of open source and certainly encourage it with my team - but it comes with overhead and responsibilities beyond working on the actual product, so it's not something to take on lightly or without expectation for the time-costs in managing that.

On the flip-side open-source is infinite almost free referral marketing.

From a business point of view, I would think that hosts themselves should be the primary target for sponsorship since the more that can offer Cloudron, the broader their potential customer-base and those customers subscription to their resources.

If Cloudron.io were able to Terraform the Cloudron instances to popular hosts and then the cloudron.io site was the only way to manage multiple hosts with a subscription, I could see value in that because the subscription costs is still less than the time-costs being saved.

I'm fine with hybrid models, we can hire developers to fix issues if they have a higher priority for us than you guys but also it is important to me that the platform commitments we make have a sustainable business model to remain motivated and evolving as needs arise.

Your work, your choice, either way big kudos for what you've already done and thanks for saving me a ton of time and money already!

Be handy to see who hasn't accepted their invite email yet (with a resend invite button) and who's not logged in for a while.

Bonus points for a login log to review user engagement with the platform.

Once upon a time there was an awesome app called "Rollbase" - which was unlimited and a pleasure to use for rapid development of relation database apps. Then Progress.com bought them and the whole thing became too commercial and unlikeable.

Directus reminds me of what Rollbase was and could have been and I have been hunting high and low since for something like it.

Then when finding Directus I saw developers that just got this need. It's similar to Strapi.io in some ways - but the way that it can work with any existing DB and any DB created with it can be used in any other way is what truly appeals for openness and non-proprietary data-structure locking that is seemingly quite rare in a sector that usually pursues SaaS and vendor-locking through proprietary data structuring that would otherwise be expensive to move.

I see Directus as fast for modelling a relational database, as Cloudron is for modelling app infrastructure so certainly a kinship for the kind of things this community appreciates I'm sure. It was a random find for me from a Reddit comment so I don't think so well known but Cloudron has also introduced me to many other apps I might never have found otherwise, so the curation Cloudron and the community is gathering into the suite is certainly a valuable part of Cloudron's offering as a brand for these standards and open self-hosted and managed objectives.

https://sercurius.net

Although trying to get perfect scores can drive you bonkers, maybe useful for any quick wins.

Can I add to this; a column for "Invitation Expiry" with the date time value?

I'm getting users getting the invite expired message which creates extra work on boarding. If I'd see the expiry date time I could have messages them the same info.

Bonus points for prominantly adding the invite expiry date time into their email so they also know through that why their sign-up might not work.

Notable mention for an option already available in Nextcloud:

• https://apps.nextcloud.com/apps/cospend

Hallelujah! Fixed in the latest version:

• https://github.com/RSS-Bridge/rss-bridge
• https://github.com/RSS-Bridge/rss-bridge/archive/master.zip

Here's what the results in Thunderbird look like for this interesting dude:

• https://twitter.com/dvassallo

The whole point of this is to reduce all social media following to being RSS feeds. Zero distraction, just what you need to follow and nothing else.

Workaround for the same issue with Instagram usernames too for interest:

• https://github.com/RSS-Bridge/rss-bridge/issues/1617#issuecomment-646679996

Basically, rss-bridge works on Cloudron - although not every bridge always works completely as there's a cat & mouse game with some sites changing things.

Worth packaging as an App IMHO, and probably an easy enough one for anyone more experienced that I at that since there's no DB to think about. Definitely pull the code from the latest master stream on GitHub.

Lastly, if you have any issues, delete the contents of /cache because it's very cache-happy and that would need emptying to truly re-test any changes. Mostly should be set & forget though.

And this is the beach I was surfing in my profile pic

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7pBFq1_9M0

Nice. We get the same speeds upstream too. Every home has fibre to the router, so there's no copper last-mile.

Don't know why the UK didn't do that, probably cost but they will have to eventually. 5G can't match the ping times so can't see that as making much difference to the average browsing experience.

I know New Jersey and the US well too from work travels, explain the Jersey thing a lot when over that side

This is a good video, we have about 30 beach cafes and bars dotted around the coast - and yes, a geographically, digitally and fiscally it's natural fortress - this one of my favourite spots:

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6arC1Xtyqmk
  (1m 17s Ad for Jersey)

Digital industry there is getting a lot of investment, and I try to champion the open-source cause and promote that by example.

Binance recently relocated to Jersey, I'm sure there will be others.

@dcher Having reviewed this software and data-structure many times, I concur - it's a solid framework.

The UI isn't as feature-rich as Odoo and it lacks the community plug-ins - but it has a RAD environment for customising any of the data-structures. The demo doesn't give you access to that but it is very well thought out.

To be fair, most users wouldn't have any issues on a €6/month Hetzner instance. Maybe push to €12/month with Cloudron and a bunch of other apps.

from me

• https://www.danielmorell.com/guides/htaccess-seo/sample-code/redirect-sample-code

tl;dr

.htaccess for www.

(www maybe better when needing to use a CNAME to point to a load balancer domain, this approach is used by Google.com, Odoo.com enterprise etc)

#### Force HTTPS
#### Force WWW
#### Remove trailing / from file

# Turn on Rewrite Engine
RewriteEngine On

# Remove trailing slash from non-filepath urls
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} /(.+)/$
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d
RewriteRule ^ https://www.example.com/%1 [R=301,L]

# Include trailing slash on directory 
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !(.+)/$
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} -d
RewriteRule ^(.+)$ https://www.example.com/$1/ [R=301,L]

# Force HTTPS and WWW 
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} !^www\.(.*)$ [OR,NC]
RewriteCond %{https} off  
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ https://www.example.com/$1 [R=301,L]

.htaccess for root domain

(my preferred, simpler but could be more restrictive for enterprise scaling)

#### Force HTTPS
#### Remove WWW
#### Remove trailing / from file

# Turn on Rewrite Engine
RewriteEngine On

# Remove trailing slash from non-filepath urls
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} /(.+)/$
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} !-d
RewriteRule ^ https://example.com/%1 [R=301,L]

# Include trailing slash on directory 
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_URI} !(.+)/$
RewriteCond %{REQUEST_FILENAME} -d
RewriteRule ^(.+)$ https://example.com/$1/ [R=301,L]

# Force HTTPS and remove WWW
RewriteCond %{HTTP_HOST} ^www\.(.*)$ [OR,NC]
RewriteCond %{https} off  
RewriteRule ^(.*)$ https://example.com/$1 [R=301,L]

Interesting read on this subject:

• https://www.danielmorell.com/guides/htaccess-seo/redirects/https-www-and-trailing-slash

Be good to have this as standard in all installs!

Very much looking forward to seeing how you develop the multi-host features for 6.0.

If I may suggest for consideration in that it would be very useful to be able to move an entire domain with all it's configurations and apps from one Cloudron to another with a button, confirmation and function that went through the processes. I image it would need to pause all services on that domain during the transition to ensure data is frozen but it could be a scheduled maintenance or just a staging Cloudron to live Cloudron launch process.

So we can set everything up on one Cloudron instance, and them move the whole thing to another separate and dedicated one.

Might be a big ask - but though it worth bearing in mind in your designs and planning.

Have you tried without specifying the port?

Maybe interesting related app being made public from wordpress.com:

• https://wordpress.com/blog/2020/08/06/improve-your-remote-collaboration-with-p2/
• https://techcrunch.com/2020/08/06/wordpress-com-launches-new-p2-to-take-on-internal-communication-tools/ (maybe open sourced soon)
• https://wordpress.org/themes/p2/ (old version of it as a theme)
• https://ma.tt/2009/05/how-p2-changed-automattic/