marcusquinn
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When Cloudron updates the WordPress app, would it reinstall an enable SMTP Mailer?@girish Thanks. Will give it a go. I have a mixture of apps where I've setup Fluent, and those which do still have the default SMPT Mailer, so gonna have to be better at remembering which, and making this a part of my routines.
Still happy to recommend FluentSMTP, though. Those email logs are super handy on knowing what's sent or not under many different circumstances where interruptions or issues can happen that would otherwise be invisible and no easy way to resend any that failed for any reason.
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When Cloudron updates the WordPress app, would it reinstall an enable SMTP Mailer?Another WordPress, another forced madness with trying to remember all the sites that have FluentSMTP setup, but the unwanted SMPT Mailer reinstallation, and reactivation then stopping FluentSMTP from working.
I still don't understand why we can't have the SMTP credentials set and working in
credentials.txt
but just not have any plugin force-fed on the app.It feels like breaking rocks having to remember, find, and fix every instance each time
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php-fpm for WordPress for speed and server efficiency@privsec It's server level. Needs the
php-fpm
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Budibase: an open source, no code platform@girish Sneaky F-ers, huh!
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Budibase: an open source, no code platform@Gery1938 hey, nob-head. Think we wouldn't notice the SEO spam backlink in the altered "quote". Flagged as spam. Say goodbye
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When Cloudron updates the WordPress app, would it reinstall an enable SMTP Mailer?@jdaviescoates Already explained why this is not a time-efficient solution. What might work once as an inconvenience, doesn't work at scale, with many instances. Just unnecessary extra work for every instance. Time is not for wasting on jumping unnecessary hurdles to make something work, that shouldn't be breaking.
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When Cloudron updates the WordPress app, would it reinstall an enable SMTP Mailer?Reminder for everyone, the WordPress App has updated to 6.5, meaning the SMTP Mailer plugin is reinstalled and reenabled for everyone.
If you're using any other SMPT plugin, it won't be working until SMTP Mailer is deactivated again.
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SerpBear is now availableFantastic - thank you!
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SerpBear - Open Source Search Engine Position Tracking App@girish Amazing, thank you!
As an aside, I feel everyone in business needs to know how their SEO rankings, and how to improve them.
It's the one thing that knowing and aligning content with can become a significant asset over time.
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SerpBear - Open Source Search Engine Position Tracking AppI know a good 250+ people community that would interested in this. I'm sure there's more.
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php-fpm for WordPress for speed and server efficiencyThis could apply to all php apps.
- https://gtmetrix.com/wordpress-optimization-guide.html
- https://www.cloudways.com/blog/php-fpm-on-cloud/
- https://geekflare.com/php-fpm-optimization/
- https://thephp.cc/articles/ready-preload-go
This is what I see in WP Admin > Tools > Site Health > Info > Server
This is what I believe it would show with php-fpm running:
No stone left unturned in the quest for speed and efficiency, as it's all cumulative, and compounds time-savings when optimal, and time-costs when not.
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AI on Cloudron@micmc Open-Sources in AIs is a misnomer, given the models are compiled.
Still the right direction, but open-source could be used as a false sense of security given the compute power to compile the models is in the hands of very few.
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When Cloudron updates the WordPress app, would it reinstall an enable SMTP Mailer?@msbt Thanks. Still not the point. There's a force-fed plugin reinstalling itself. That's just not good.
20 years with WordPress, many years with Cloudron. Many, many times I've found workarounds to things.
Appreciate the sentiment — but experience tells me that opportunities to improve the world rarely happen unless someone makes them happen the first time around.
It's technical debt and a time-costs. Time is too precious to have it repeatedly spent on something that could be avoided. That's the whole point of computers, to automate and iterate on wisdom, so we are free to create.
I chose Cloudron specifically for time-saving factors. It's all those little things that add up to a non-scaleable business if they aren't templated and automated out.
Automated problems are a crime against other's time.
I'm not changing the hosting setup of dozens of WordPress sites because a design flaw hasn't been solved yet.
That would be quitting — which isn't in my vocabulary.
I'm not working around this. I'm here for the long-haul, and if I see unnecessary time lost, risk, confusion, disparate solutions, it's a moral duty to stick with the problem until solved.
If the majority don't value their time as highly, or have the same issues, it doesn't mean they won't in future, or that everyone holds the same standards for auditing and time-efficiency.
Life is too short for workaround hacks that will cost more time than just solving the source of the problem:
There's a plugin being reinstalled after it was deleted.
No amount of "have you tried", "why don't you", is gonna change this fact.
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When Cloudron updates the WordPress app, would it reinstall an enable SMTP Mailer?@nebulon It might also be that 90% of people just don't know any better, as they assume the source of what they get is making the best executive decisions, and trusts in those.
I'm sure 90% of websites are in may ways insecure because human nature is to trust and just deal with whatever wolf gets through the door.
I'm sure 90% of people's lives could be easier, if they only knew something they were given could be better, if the 10% shared improvement opportunities.
It's often the small percentage of experience that supports the larger percentage that is the more valuable direction for wisdom to flow.
My experience is one of the most common frustrations between website client and website provider, being lack of visibility for what their website is or is not doing, that it is expected to.
The email logs are the answer to that question, and Fluent SMTP also then gives the option to re-attempt email sending, where there's been some error that is now fixed.
Without this, email sending is a black box to anyone but the server/service admins. Plus, extraordinary extra work to enable SMTP with services like GMail and Office365, where they are moving people to use the API integrations, instead. For which, Fluent SMTP provides, documents, and works with, too.
WordPress doesn't need SMTP capabilities, because it provides for sending email with the
wp_mail
php function:The only reason for any SMTP plugin, is that some hosts restrict email sending, to avoid their hosting being spam machines.
Also, sending email via a separate services helps avoid the IP (often shared) from being blacklisted.
Perhaps Cloudron doesn't need any SMTP plugin setup to send emails in first install, since the current setup isn't giving any separation of IP for this service, anyway.
I can't even think of any initial emails needed from the app for setup, anyway, since the Admin login credentials are standardised in the app first launch instructions.
Perhaps starting up should happen once to make
wp-cli
available, query for any plugin withsmtp
in it's name, and then only IF there isn't one, restart the app and install SMTP Mailer.Honestly, I hate asking for anything — but I hate lost time more, so in this case I feel it is a request of necessity and contribution to an improvement for all, from experience of the time-costs not having a solution continues to incur and risk.
Yes, it's an apparent request to change something that appears to already be working, and have workarounds to make work differently to suit some apparent preference — but my preference is for safety, optionality, audit-trail visibility, client confidence, and time-saving for all.
The majority of people have terrible diets, and will continue to, unless those producing, distributing and marketing food offer better and more convenient. It's not just me I'm asking for, it is the majority, that may not know there's a better way — and it save me more time to help the majority with other things, too.
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When Cloudron updates the WordPress app, would it reinstall an enable SMTP Mailer?@micmc @girish The only other solution I can see is making Fluent SMTP the new default SMPT plugin.
It's a more complete solution and versatile due to keeping sendmail logs, and having all the common API mailer connections and documentation.
Sure, it's some publicity for the other Fluent plugins, all of which I've been happy with, but others may be invested in their alternatives.
They've committed to keeping Fluent SMTP free, and it'll work just as well with any other non-Fluent plugins.
This would be your least-effort, not changing the Cloudron platform option, and least user effort or risk.
As it stands, the default app setup creates unnecessary extra setup work, awareness needs, and unless I go through all the WP instances and do all these manual things, I can't ever take a holiday.
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When Cloudron updates the WordPress app, would it reinstall an enable SMTP Mailer?@girish I see the WordPress app was updated again today.
It's a choice of madnesses to me for the sake of something that just should not be happening:
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Several extra steps in setup of every single WordPress instance in setting up separate users (no-one in their right mind should be putting Cloudron Amin User credentials in a WordPress database) and app passwords, storing all that in a password manager, using those details.
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This merry dance or fixing something that every single Cloudron WordPress update breaks, and is clear why and how, and that it doesn't have to be this way, as it is a design choice, not a default expected behaviour of standard WP setups.
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Manual updates, and the same fixes.
I've never heard of any WordPress hosting that would do this.
Yes, some come with default plugins — but I just cannot think of a single reason why any system would reinstall deleted default plugins.
I expect WordPress is perhaps the most popular app, and likely it's needs should be leading Cloudron design, not following.
Life is so short. There's already not enough hours to achieve everything my knowledge could, but the bureaucracy of life and systems steals time from achieving.
I can understand opt-in compromises, but not ones that have extraordinary opt-out time-costs.
If you need email working on first-install, why not just use the standard WordPress php mailer?
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Best privacy chat apps@jdaviescoates And they allow usernames now, for phone number privacy.
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Best privacy chat appsHandy spreadsheet comparing features:
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When Cloudron updates the WordPress app, would it reinstall an enable SMTP Mailer?@girish Thanks, is there no way to have the SMPT sendmail credentials created in
credentials.txt
and still working when selectingDo not configure app's mail delivery settings
?I suppose counter-intuitive for that options label, but it's many additional steps to remember and do for every single instance without those.
Or have more options in that panel?
- Use Cloudron Mail to send emails with the SMTP Mailer plugin.
- Use Cloudron Mail to send emails with the Fluent SMTP plugin.
- Use Cloudron Mail to send emails with your own SMTP plugin choice.
- Do not configure app's mail delivery settings.
Or just two options, and a dropdown to select from these two plugins, or no plugin?