This looks like it's worth another look...
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@girish @nebulon Perhaps useful for Analytics on Cloudron's actual usage?
@girish said in What's coming in 7.3:
External app links in Dashboard
How's this coming along? Any ETA on 7.3?
Perhaps Open Xchange?
Namecheap offers it with their Email Ultimate tier:
Anecdotally, I've found Eufy Cameras with Apple Home very good for quality, price, not being Google or Alexa snoops, and allegedly unlimited private data storage on iCloud.
Interesting read on their thoughts on open-source and pro licensing: https://shinobi.video/articles/2017-08-03-shinobi-ce-and-shinobi-pro
The patter on this sounds good: https://moeiscool.github.io/Shinobi/
@LoudLemur Nice idea. Convenience link I'm sure you know:
Kinda post hijacking, but since the interested audience might like to know somewhere, we've also been impressed with the offering from these guys:
Imagine having Cloudron as on of the custom apps being offered on their personalised builds.
@fbartels Thanks, guessed as much. Something we'll need to have a think about.
@jdaviescoates No can do for this version, as it breaks our LDAP integrations. App updates really should not be tied to Cloudron updates either. I can't imagine why they would be in this case either.
I've clicked "Check for Updates" several times, and it's not offering me anything beyond 5.2.2 
@timconsidine 
for Quickfile - one of my favourite non-open-source apps.
@micmc Kubuntu defaults to Flatpak, and Zorin includes FLatpak in it's store search by default. Other distros you need to manually add it:
My absolute favourite Ubuntu-based Linux desktop distros, after battle-testing so many in Proxmox, in many different ways for personal and business needs:
That's it. No Arch, Manjaro, Ubuntu, SuSe, or anything else crazy, sexy or cool, according to others.
I found I just kept coming back to Kubuntu or Zorin as better in every way for needing it to mostly "just work".
And... With either of these, you can also easily build your own distro .iso image with all your favourite apps pre-installed:
Might be an interesting read on this subject:
Anecdotally, it is seems Flatpak is preferred for performance and control over updates. Nothing stopping packaging all 3 ways, than time to do of course!
Perhaps AppFlowy can offer an alternative in the meantime?
Local installers available:
Looked at this a while ago, looks great but you do need to pay for a license to get the self-hosting code.
I'd have thought this already has a wishlist post, but it seems not.
Good video on how it works:
@girish Yeah, that's the fun part, easier said than done eh — especially when you have to consider unexpected interrupts & resumes etc.
I wonder if filenames/paths could be hashed into a database lookup table?
I've not looked in greater detail, but I suspect this how blockchain file storage systems like IFPS and Storj might handle such things.
This does look good, and probably evolved since first posted. Worth another look?
@girish I'm pretty sure this is fast and unintensive for resources. We did something similar for the custom translation module at brandlight.org if you want to try switching languages to see the speed of doing these things on a whole website.
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As discovered by @scooke here:
And results from the new beta version:
(using VisJS, eg: https://visjs.github.io/vis-network/examples/ )
This tool they link to also looks interesting for seeing all the places your website/app traffic is pinging:
Well done cloudron.io 
@girish Perhaps this could be added as a Cloudron feature using Apache rewrite rules and a tick-box to enable it under the Security tab of Cloudron app settings?
Cross-posting for the related Coolify:
Nice find! The Dev's other projects look cool:
Wondering if this is even possible with our container structure?
Can't see the /tmp/ folder in the file explorer at least.
@timconsidine I guess if you can find another app that uses it, it's just accessing content via GET urls and POST data as far as I can see.
@jdaviescoates It was easy to tell in the older version that it was html5 streaming, you just resized the window very quickly and the rendering couldn't keep up. This version I'm confident is full-on lean vectors. Proof is in the pudding though, so lemme know what your feel for it is.
@jdaviescoates I think that was how the old version worked. This looks like a completely new native webapp.
@humptydumpty Ahh, just seen that — it was called Collabora the many moons ago we installed it.
Any chance of another look at this please @nebulon — these little things really help with user happiness, and the latest version is well worth the effort for making out go-to online office suite with Nextcloud.
When I started with Cloudron, Collabora was a HTML5 streaming app version of LibreOffice, so had all sorts of rendering issues and speed — so OnlyOffice became our preferred.
But — wow — just tried Collabora again — and it's like Google Docs — but private and better! Layouts render faultlessly from Office docs and to PDFs.
Free and decent on mobile too — whereas OnlyOffice wants an enterprise license for that (nothing against them having a freemium business model of course, given they are clearly open-source leaders in many ways too).
Just saying, for anyone else that had written it off or not tried it in a while.
Well done team Cloudron for giving us these options. World class open-sourcery magic! @girish @ @nebulon
The gotchya with CF on domains, is there doesn't seem to be an option to use any other name servers.
Given I heard they basically sell domains at cost, then the upsell for the odd ones that then buy into other services probably puts this whole area down to being a marketing tool for them.
Nice, weren't doing .uk last time I looked. Now that's added, worth another look!
For other UK/EU people, paying in $USD on cards often costs a lot more on the poor exchange rates. I've found wise.com the cheapest way to pay for $USD stuff with the best possible exchange rate and other nice things about their platform.
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@girish This quote from above I believe is the answer to that:
Be careful with
svg2pdf, there is a real version, part ofsvglib(pip install svglib), and there is a fake one that does not work.
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@marcusquinn This partially works - and is a very helpful addition!
@nebulon Can you look at the dependancies being added to the Cloudron packaged version please? 
DEPENDENCIES:
svg2pdf
pdftk
gsGhostscript (gs) is needed for stripping the signature from signed/uneditable
PDF files, and for page manipulation.Be careful with svg2pdf, there is a real version, part of svglib (pip install svglib),
and there is a fake one that does not work.Based initially on https://github.com/strukturag/pdfdraw which was found to
be fundamentally broken. In particular, a completely unnecessary dependency
on a backend server where no dependency is needed in order to accomplish
the job needed.Installation:
Go into nextcloud/apps/ and run;
sudo -u apache git clone https://gitlab.com/nextcloud-other/nextcloud-annotate pdfannotate
(change apache to the appropriate user account if it differs on your distro)Go into your nextcloud instance (web browser), User icon --> Apps
Scroll to the bottom of "Your apps" and find "PDF Annotate" and press the
enable button.Now go back to files and hit the "three dots" menu button beside a PDF and
select "Annotate".Choose a color and draw mode, draw your annotations, and hit the button
beside the color picker to save the changes back to Nextcloud. Older versions of
your file are available through "versions".
I think it is Ghostscript we are missing that would enable the text annotating.
Drawing and shapes seems to work though.
Saving is also giving a permissions error:
Just found this: https://gitlab.com/nextcloud-other/nextcloud-annotate
"Based initially on https://github.com/strukturag/pdfdraw which was found to
be fundamentally broken. In particular, a completely unnecessary dependency
on a backend server where no dependency is needed in order to accomplish
the job needed."
Testing it out now...
To be fair, Nextcloud 24 is such a leap in speed, and we're easily serving 4Tb to 100 users. I wonder if speed and scaling Nextcloud is a solved thing 
@girish Our use-case would be using some mini-Cloudrons as relays for traffic from VDIs, so the users appear to be browsing from the country they are in, as opposed to where the VDI VPS is hosted.
Cross-posting as a relevant comparison: https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/3685/supabase-the-open-source-firebase-alternative
@drew But you host and provide the server though?
IRC?
The Konversation app included with Kubuntu / KDE- Neon might be the kind of thing that you're thinking of?
@doodlemania2 We have a 1st attempt prototype working, but all features won't properly work as rclone requires fuse package running, which is only possible in privileged mode (where Docker privileged mode would grant a Docker container root capabilities to all devices on the host system, but that needs security/safety from accidents consideration).
As a workaround we've installed rclone to the Cloudron host itself so it can be run in console.
It might be that this app needs some special consideration from @girish and @nebulon for its scope, privileges and needs.
You also need to install rclone locally, to authorise through rclone authorise, to access your cloud data with the web auth screens for apps.
For now rclone works very well from the command-line.
It also needs some considerations for API rate limits, eg: https://www.reddit.com/r/rclone/comments/sbrldw/recommended_rclone_flags_not_to_hit_dropbox/
We're working on packaging this.
All ideas and suggestions welcome for how it should work, including default mounts for the config.
We have our own specific needs, but be good to know what others experienced with Cloudron and data migration and syncing needs see as useful to have with this as an app.
@LeeW Top be fair to any provider offering anything priced in single digits, but they time they've paid staff to answer an email or two the cost of business exceeds the income. I think most provider's smallest instances are really loss-leader marketing.
I kinda respect the honesty, as well as your voting with your time and doing the same.
Best of luck, and let us know if you find anything else comparable.
I'm in Jersey BTW, so 150 miles south of you. Island-wide fibre to home here, so I get used to 1ms pings to London/Paris and Gigabit speeds at home 
@LeeW You won't get comparable specs per £ with the big-brands, but I always found Upcloud to be very good in the premium market: https://upcloud.com/data-centres/#uk-lon1=
Otherwise there's a good hosting research rabbit-hole here: https://hostadvice.com/?server_location=GB
@murgero Worth logging each of them as feature requests here given your good experience with both?
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Rclone really looks after your data. It preserves timestamps and verifies checksums at all times. Transfers over limited bandwidth; intermittent connections, or subject to quota can be restarted, from the last good file transferred. You can check the integrity of your files. Where possible, rclone employs server-side transfers to minimise local bandwidth use and transfers from one provider to another without using local disk.
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Run this command in a terminal and rclone will download and then display the GUI in a web browser.
rclone rcd --rc-web-gui
Seems to me to be the webapp equivalent/alternative to the also very good, GoodSync, Cyber Duck, Mountain Duck, Expandrive.
There's a local Rsync Browser option too, how well maintained it is and working I don't know: https://github.com/kapitainsky/RcloneBrowser
The issue I'm having with GoodSync is triangulated syncs via a local machine or separate server.
Having Rsync Web GUI as a Cloudron App would enable direct synching of Nextcloud and other data stores with a whole variety of Cloud storage providers, with relatively little technicalities and avoiding the hazards and anxieties of the command line.
@girish @nebulon I'd even go so far as to say; this could be a killer-feature app for Cloudron in making it easier to migrate data from all the many supported cloud connectors. Maybe start with it as an app, and then add it as a Cloudron feature to certain apps in future.
Cloudron already does a great job with backup options, so it would be great to have the same capabilities for migration imports and syncing.