@vjvanjungg There are a lot of available apps in the like for WordPress. So, for a start one can build a membership site through WordPress. Quickly thinking of s2Member for example, which is among the most powerful that exist and FREE with GPL.

Andy

@daniel-goletz Personally I think cloudron has already enough of these. There is:

• NextCloud's Cards Deck
• Wekan
• Kanboard
• Scrumblr
• Taiga (does much more and kanban as well)
• Confluence (holds Trello)
  AND also
• Redmine
• OpenProject

I've not deeply checked the proposed app, but quickly I cannot see what more feature this addition would bring to the offer.

Regards,
Andy

@xcs Quite frankly, personally, in such conditions I would not be interested in providing such app. I mean, it's nothing personal but imho you are trying a market in which you will not be successful. At least among the Cloudron community which are people who profoundly believe in 'Free and Open Source Software', for the reason being that many make a good living using the freedom to elaborate each one its own business model, for each one its own profit. And another big reason, a very important reason, is that such business model allows to provide people with freedom to use awesome web apps without being 'binded' to SaaS and GAFAM.

Again imho, if a FOSS community as this one would start to accept such 'deals' we'd start being solicited to no end by all startups mushrooming on the planet and that would be totally defeating the very purpose of FOSS and this community and the business models built around, Cloudron developers own business model. I'd also add that adding your closed software would certainly not be a judicious choice since we provide and run the powerful Matomo server among the apps array offer on Cloudron.

Something tells me that you do not know much about FOSS communities my friends, I'd suggest you get to know more about all of this work, then maybe you could have new ideas about how you could join and participate in this market begin on the same page as the one you want to do business with. (plus, really 7 days to try an analytics software is ahem... ridiculous... don't be offended it's not my goal, just learn about this, think and learn, I'd suggest you also query the 'analytics software' market a little more, why would business people drop everything and dedicate 7 days (because this is literally what you asked them to do) to try your software which is btw at VERY HIGH PRICE for some unknown entity in any market apparently.)

My 2 cents worth, take care.
Andy

Yeah, pretty cool and pretty good idea indeed.
Personally I can do screen videos, I've been doing this for years for tutorials and trainings etc., and I do commercial ones as well.

So, when you start posting about video tutorials you'd like to see I might get onto it.

Andy

I agree 100% that looks like a killer CRM app that should have a lot of value to the offering!

Kudos mates!
Keep up!
Andy

@scooke said in Cloudron Pricing and Licensing Help:

I'm just thinking digitally here, but most fonts, Wordpress themes and plugins (and other paid themes and plugins), etc. are for one installation/project.

As you mention it, first fonts are not in the same category as Wordpress which carries a General Public License (GPL) which carries the obligation to ALL themes and plugins to be produce and distributed under the exact same condition, meaning they must be GPL as well.

Limiting the number of instance installation in the case of themes or plugins for Wordpress, or any FOSS which comes with such license of freedom, is among the biggest SCAM going on in this sphere right now, as this is a violation of the GPL license which, among other things, stipulate that once you have a copy, you can freely copy and distribute it under the same license's terms. Hence, technically speaking, if a wp theme developer does limits you in the number of instances you can install, then he's breaking the license himself which they still pretend to be GPL which is an absolute non-sense.

Clourdon is NOT GPL, nor even open source if I'm not mistaken, right now, even though most of the software part of the offer are. That's not a problem at all. simply because you do not absolutely need a Cloudron box to run any of the software offer which are coming with GPL. When one pays for either cPanel or Plesk the principle is the same, the prices are always PER INSTANCE, obviously, and that is even though they too offer GPL apps installation via their dashboard via Softaculous and the like.

My 2 cents worth, tale care
Andy

SEO Panel
World's first seo control panel for multiple websites
https://github.com/seopanel/
https://www.seopanel.org/

That is an amazing fully FOSS web app set of professional tools (used by agencies and SaaS in the like) to manage all technical SEO (more important than ever, this is not meta tags generator) aspects of any and ALL your website.

And you can even perform SEO services for your clients' website doing it yourself as a service or creating accounts for clients so they can use the tools to perform SEO for themselves (and of course even their own clients).

Many services online are charging high monthly dollars per clients for such tools and services. Now, it can be free for CR users as another powerful to to offer online businesses and even agencies that will put Clourdon offer on another higher level.

To me, this is a MUST add to CR, unless there's something that would prevent that which I cannot see now.

I've installed and run a copy on a CR on a LAMP stack and this is pretty much stable, works pretty well and is in constant development as well.

And then Cloudron would be covering the SEO tools domain as well. Unbeatable!

Seo Panel Help Guide: http://docs.seopanel.in/ see how powerful and well elaborated this suite is.
Seo Panel Forum: http://forum.seopanel.in/
Seo Panel Support: http://www.seopanel.in/support/
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LIVE DEMO https://www.seopanel.org/demopanel/

Cheers!
Andy

@grienauer said in Visually modify stopped apps on the overview page.:

It would be great to have a visual identificator, thatt an app is stopped.

Yeah, pretty good idea.

here my propoal:
these css styles would be needed.

.grid-item-top {
  filter: grayscale(1);
}
. row {
  opacity: .3;
}

And thanks for the code as well.

please be aware, that you need a parent selector and maybe something like a state e.g .is-stopped to identify stopped elements via css (or data element etc.
but with 2 lines of css it would make it easy to spot stopped apps on the overview page!

It's little contributions like this that makes a strong community as it's building here. Someone shares, and more, like developers and learners, are getting better faster thanks to those who care to share. Everyone wins.

One has an idea, one has a code, one is an expert in X, another one in Y, and among us sysadmins, webmasters, and designers that's a nice unique melting pot.

Let's keep the LIGHT on!

Andy

Yeah, I too love this initiative very much.

And I agree cloudron has been a pretty inspiring project for me too and especially because of the two guys who we know upfront running it they're just amazingly incredible, it's never seen for me in career and it's been long enough, I wonder if they ever sleep loll but I know a bit of what is passion for information technology.

I too been in digital business for 30+y and before that in marketing intensively at many levels. Then I mixed everything, marketing and technology, with the event of the Internet taking the world by storm during the last 25 years, to practically become expert tactician in marketing technology. And for so, I tailor custom solutions for entrepreneurs, especially to help transforming, migrating, and integrating brick-and-mortars to digital business and there are still A LOT.

I was so passionated, the beginnings of this Internet was a very exciting moment for those involved plentily. We have seen so many opportunities exploding everywhere, that I decided that I wanted to learn everything I can about this (new) emerging technology that was about to network the world as I already believed so at the time.

And so I did, on a daily pace, I was already getting in full time from the beginning of 1998 and been doing a lot of research and reading and testing and developped and learned all the needed skills to do absolutely whatever I wanted to do online, for me or anyone else because I was so passionate I didn't have enough projects for myself to fullfil my needs to put all the knowledge up to work lol

For example, I wanted to host websites right from the beginning but I did not have a clue yet of how to do this, nor there was any cpanel or anything else in the like to make it as easy as possible, let alone technologies anywhere near the power of cloudron. Some scipting langages we use today did not even existed yet. So, I'd to become a sysops and started already to learn to install and manage Linux servers in the cloud (even though we were not using that term very much by then) and then became the need to build a web site, and then graphics, and to add more functionalities, and then you see the point...

That also means I'm in the FOSS since then as well but the main scripting language at the time was PERL and you could connect and manage database with mysql, and slowly that migrated to become mainly PHP as server scripting all while HTML, CSS, and JavaScript were getting just better and better. And as a searcher I've also observed the birth and growth to world domination of the GAFAM pack and all its repercussions on the citizens of the world as we all start to realize now (though not the IT guys ).
And its along my research for getting solutions for entrepreneurs to allow them get out of GAFAM by using FOSS and also stop "using" and paying all the needed SaaS with monthly fees, that add up month after month with every little tool needed to do busness online, and thus also loosing full control and privacy on data, that a few years back I stumled upon CLOURON !

Today, I can take and manage absolutely any kind of digital project because I've been doing so, many times for a long time. I've been working with many big names in today's digital marketing fields whom today own some very large and very well known SaaS packages sold for several years now. I've been more or less out of the active business, while maintaning several assets, for about 7-8 years because my half has been very sick though I'm getting back on a pace for two years now.

Now, I was getting up to speed at the same time this sanitary crisis came upon us but that's brought more opportunities for people like us because now it's like everyone is suddenly realising the need to be digital in many ways and for many reasons and I strongly believe cloudron could help us bring so many solutions for so many situations it's just mind boggling. So, if we can help each other interested in this busness to grab a bunch of this market and help them getting digital as easily and cost effectively as possible, I think we could all be profitable of taking advantage of this kind of cooperation.

Feel free to contact me about this at anytime.
Andy
https://AndreFoisy.com
https://WebSuiteSupport.com

Actually that would be much more than looking great or be much fun as chatbot marketing is among the fastest growing trends right now. That could add more to the benefits for sales of CR servers, which are starting to be quite noticeable already btw, to SMBs.

Andy

@girish said in Easy Indie App—Run your own X in a few clicks:

Just saw another list today - https://www.btw.so/open-source-alternatives

Nice find indeed

@diacritica said in There seems to be no access to Taiga Themes?:

Hi again @micmc !

Thanks for the detailed reply!

First things first, changing these two files will get you 80% of the way

• https://github.com/kaleidos-ventures/taiga-back/blob/main/taiga/base/templates/emails/includes/footer.jinja
• https://github.com/kaleidos-ventures/taiga-back/blob/main/settings/common.py (actually, overwrite some variables using config.prod.py, you don't need to change this file at all)

You've missed to follow mate. What started this discussion is the way Taiga is mounted with Cloudron technology, we don't have access to these files.

Your feedback is very welcome, particularly while we are designing the next major Taiga release. Welcoming feedback doesn't mean blindly accepting it. We have our own research and our metrics after 5 years or running this beautiful open source platform and we need to put together all those inputs.

I was not expecting you accept things blindly. These metrics you are talking about are certainly not coming from the branded taiga links in its email templates. And this is what I'm talking about only, emails. Branding emails from the settings inside the app.

I was privileged enough to enjoy early access to the Internet as back as 1995, went into open source in 1996, SuSE 5.1) and I made my career in open source since 2002.

And obviously we both haven't been developing in the same market at all. You, operating systems and in the like. Me, Marketing Technology. For example, I've running one of the first aurotesponders service online, look for "Autoresponse Magic" in Internet Way Back Machine archives. And many more in the like. I'm not saying to brag, only to show we have been online both of us long enough but we have touched two completely different worlds and markets, and approach to the Online Market, which has now become the Market Online. (no kidding)

I've seen quite some stuff over the past 19 years and what you say is true, but may I say I don't like that truth? I mean, white-labeling Taiga is not something that excites me.

Hopefully not and let's hope noone would expect that from you. Me I did not talk about white-labelling Taiga at all, and was talking about having emails of the app to be FREE of Taiga branding.

Mate you need to follow, do not bring me where I haven't touched a word. Thanks

Andy

@hillside502 said in There seems to be no access to Taiga Themes?:

@micmc said in There seems to be no access to Taiga Themes?:

6.0.3 is the version we use.

Taiga on Cloudron was updated to 6.0.9 over 3 months ago.

The point in case was if we're using version 6.
6.0.3 IS version 6

@atridad To be fair, I said "I perceive". I don't know them, it's the first time I speak with them, if you know them more good for you. But that is irrelevant here, right now.

Not agreeing, which is very fine, is also a result of not really listening.

Especially when you have NOT A SINGLE counter argument to present.

THAT is, NOT listening. Sorry but I persist and I sign this statement.

I've NOT been sold to use Taiga because of the emails branding. I could double their user base in one year if they'd listen. But I respect their choice very well and that does not mean they're not listening in other cases, which was not my point but yours

Take care.
Andy

@diacritica said in There seems to be no access to Taiga Themes?:

@micmc Hi! this is Pablo, from the Taiga team. I very much enjoyed this debate, truly constructive.

Hey Pablo, cool it's nice to see you land here. Something tells me that your head might have had a "ringing of a bell" for you to land here at this time lol

6.0.3 is the version we use. Indeed.

As I said above in the thread, I was very likely to call you on @nebulon 's suggestion because, well if you've read here above you should know why. And if you read well, I'm talking from the point of view of the end users of "my target market", from a very special project I'm working on, a target market I come from myself which I know for a fact end users will NOT use this app if the emails are branded in any way other than their own brand. They will rather go buy and use a crappy app from codecanyon, or get on one of those SaaS deal, crap as well, than use your app if there's even one link in the email sent to their users, which are not of their own brand or have no control on.

Now, remind what I said about how a software MUST BE USED to become successful!

Take 30 seconds and think, what if ALL developers of the different source codes involved only in email and servers transporting them wanted to brand the emails which are sent using their code? ? ?

It's not the way to go to promote your app. You want to play the google game and that will not work in MANY markets.

Now, I'd like to make sure we're covering the same Taiga version here, since we made significant changes to the "un-branding" of those emails. Taiga 6 is much less heavy on that

That's pretty cool and since we're talking about version 6 and it's what we use, then the emails are the ones I've already described in the OP. And yes, I find them 'idiots' (not you loll) in the strict communication ethic point and for the purpose you believe it fulfills.

Here is a real example of a change notification email. Taiga logo is subtle, content and call to action are king. I see very little Taiga branding here. Actually, it's the logo, which, well, it's quite nice and fair to have it and then "Taiga support" which is also convenient to have (some people do use it from these emails).

I've already expressed my thoughts about branding the emails, at least for my target market and the way I intend to deploy things.

But let me help you for your own sake, and I hope you keep in mind that we're talking about private instances here, people who are using the app are NOT interacting with Taiga.io at all, and, sorry to say so but that's how it is, they very likely don't care at all about taiga, at least no more than they care about mikeysoft while they are using "Word", taiga here is only the software in use for the project, they really are interacting with the INSTANCES OWNERS and I maintain all I said above about confusion and support tickets this would create.

You do as you please, it's your software and you can believe it's "fair" to have Taiga branding and link in OTHER PEOPLE'S private communication emails, but I will say imho it is not. Moreover, I will ad it is very likely much useless for the purpose of promoting your app as you may think it does. As much as the link the designer puts at the bottom of a website he's built.

I don't know where you were in 1991 but me I was sitting right where I'm sitting right now typing this. Then I jumped deeply in Internet technology as soon as 1998 to never leave. I'm a marketing expert converted to expert marketing technology tactician and I've been using FOSS since the very beginnings and become sysadmin the very first year of my online operation, you know there was not even a cpanel at that time and one who wanted to host had to learn CLI, let alone much sophisticated drag and drop web dev platform as we find at every corner of the web nowadays. I'm not saying all this to brag, just so you know I know what I'm talking about, and it's not what I think but it's what I KNOW. There are thousands of different markets it's unimaginable and I know very well mine since I've been involved in development of thousands of projects online from all around the word.

If we're talking about Taiga 6 I'm afraid we don't see an issue with branding on emails.

As I said, it's your shot. There are tens if not hundreds projects apps to chose from I'm sure you know that

We estimate between 100.000 and 500.000 Taiga instances around the world and this is clearly not an issue at all.

Want to buy my house? Price is between $100k and $500k loll
I'm kidding, it's a very wide range for one to making an idea. I'm kidding, but the truth is even 500k is peanuts in FOSS world with apps of this caliber. Meaning, you can certainly not count on this vague data to affirm that your 'formula' is 'good' for what you believe it is.

we are listening very closely to feedback such as this. We want to create the best agile project management experience for teams and it's tough just by going auto-pilot, it's great to have feedback!

Actually I perceive for now you are more reading than you are really "listening", by the way you address the concerns lifted here with answers that are not taking them in consideration at all. I feel more like you came here more to tell (sell) why you do things the way you do for the reasons you believe is a good or a "fair" thing.

We should be able to brand 100% of the emails, but no one will ever force you do things you strongly believe are right for you.

Regards
Andy

@grienauer said in Visually modify stopped apps on the overview page.:

It would be great to have a visual identificator, thatt an app is stopped.

Yeah, pretty good idea.

here my propoal:
these css styles would be needed.

.grid-item-top {
  filter: grayscale(1);
}
. row {
  opacity: .3;
}

And thanks for the code as well.

please be aware, that you need a parent selector and maybe something like a state e.g .is-stopped to identify stopped elements via css (or data element etc.
but with 2 lines of css it would make it easy to spot stopped apps on the overview page!

It's little contributions like this that makes a strong community as it's building here. Someone shares, and more, like developers and learners, are getting better faster thanks to those who care to share. Everyone wins.

One has an idea, one has a code, one is an expert in X, another one in Y, and among us sysadmins, webmasters, and designers that's a nice unique melting pot.

Let's keep the LIGHT on!

Andy

@jdaviescoates said in There seems to be no access to Taiga Themes?:

@nebulon @micmc someone created this 5 years ago

https://github.com/KeizerDev/taiga-contrib-email-overrides

I wonder if it still works! I'd guess likely not, but if you look at these old tickets you'll see how it was made:

Theoretically, it should work or maybe with a few fixes because these are templates. However that would still requires that we have access to the email templates which it seems we don't, yet. If it was the case then we could use these templates and even creates custom new ones for oneself, or even make just few modifications at will.
Cheers!

@jdaviescoates Thanks mate, 'lemme check'

@nebulon said in There seems to be no access to Taiga Themes?:

@micmc I would suggest to discuss this with the upstream project members and making the case with them. This is likely good feedback and maybe they will consider implementing theming in that area.

Yeah, been thinking the same while writing the above, it may be just something they don't realize yet.

A software, if one wants to promote it heavily must be USED by as much users as one can, and as freely as it possibly can. Putting too much restrictions on pretended "open software" is much counter productive. One must stay open minded in its thinking source

@nebulon said in There seems to be no access to Taiga Themes?:

@micmc given that on Cloudron apps run mostly in a read-only filesystem, Taiga is currently not setup to edit those files. Also I am not sure if changing those files will allow for app updates without breaking the app or your changes in the future.

I will check if those files they mention would be possible to edit and then recreate the static assets via gulp. But looking at what would need to move out of the read-only storage, I am not sure if this is a great idea.

Yeah, I thought so when I saw how this was built to run well in CR, and especially when I saw we needed to be deploy via gulp after the modifs to those files... humm... that makes it quite close for an open source app loll
Food for thoughts, I believe.

Don't waste too much time on that if you'd already stripped the question Neb.

Otherwise, Any idea about the emails sent by the app?

These are very, how can I say, not suitable for a serious business imho. I mean, like I said, they're fully and heavily branded Taiga, like they seem to come from Taiga and they even send the receiver to Taiga with a link. The few lines personally written for the invite appear in the middle of the message, with some more Taiga 'promotion' underneath. This is not obvious. It's confusing for the receiver, enough to uselessly create miscommunications waste of time.

That's too bad otherwise because the app is great, very well thought and simple to use at the same time. And, nevertheless, could still be very useful in many cases, though for my case and the target market I foresee with a certain project, this "project management" app could be a source "support tickets" for the exact same question.

I was starting to use this as you know and I was pretty much disappointed to discover that the email messages were not part of the inside app's SETTINGS. For me that's a non-sense because that renders the app for use internally only, IF ever it is adopted, and not usable to interact with outsiders.

Personally I would not use this for this only reason, which is enough. Email is a fundamental communication channel between two private parties, basically, and nothing else should interfere as such it is done with the Taiga app email invite. IMHO of course...

Andy