@diacritica said in There seems to be no access to Taiga Themes?:
@micmc Hi! this is Pablo, from the Taiga team. I very much enjoyed this debate, truly constructive.
Hey Pablo, cool it's nice to see you land here. Something tells me that your head might have had a "ringing of a bell" for you to land here at this time lol
6.0.3 is the version we use. Indeed.
As I said above in the thread, I was very likely to call you on @nebulon 's suggestion because, well if you've read here above you should know why. And if you read well, I'm talking from the point of view of the end users of "my target market", from a very special project I'm working on, a target market I come from myself which I know for a fact end users will NOT use this app if the emails are branded in any way other than their own brand. They will rather go buy and use a crappy app from codecanyon, or get on one of those SaaS deal, crap as well, than use your app if there's even one link in the email sent to their users, which are not of their own brand or have no control on.
Now, remind what I said about how a software MUST BE USED to become successful!
Take 30 seconds and think, what if ALL developers of the different source codes involved only in email and servers transporting them wanted to brand the emails which are sent using their code? ? ?
It's not the way to go to promote your app. You want to play the google game and that will not work in MANY markets.
Now, I'd like to make sure we're covering the same Taiga version here, since we made significant changes to the "un-branding" of those emails. Taiga 6 is much less heavy on that
That's pretty cool and since we're talking about version 6 and it's what we use, then the emails are the ones I've already described in the OP. And yes, I find them 'idiots' (not you loll) in the strict communication ethic point and for the purpose you believe it fulfills.
Here is a real example of a change notification email. Taiga logo is subtle, content and call to action are king. I see very little Taiga branding here. Actually, it's the logo, which, well, it's quite nice and fair to have it and then "Taiga support" which is also convenient to have (some people do use it from these emails).
I've already expressed my thoughts about branding the emails, at least for my target market and the way I intend to deploy things.
But let me help you for your own sake, and I hope you keep in mind that we're talking about private instances here, people who are using the app are NOT interacting with Taiga.io at all, and, sorry to say so but that's how it is, they very likely don't care at all about taiga, at least no more than they care about mikeysoft while they are using "Word", taiga here is only the software in use for the project, they really are interacting with the INSTANCES OWNERS and I maintain all I said above about confusion and support tickets this would create.
You do as you please, it's your software and you can believe it's "fair" to have Taiga branding and link in OTHER PEOPLE'S private communication emails, but I will say imho it is not. Moreover, I will ad it is very likely much useless for the purpose of promoting your app as you may think it does. As much as the link the designer puts at the bottom of a website he's built.
I don't know where you were in 1991 but me I was sitting right where I'm sitting right now typing this. Then I jumped deeply in Internet technology as soon as 1998 to never leave. I'm a marketing expert converted to expert marketing technology tactician and I've been using FOSS since the very beginnings and become sysadmin the very first year of my online operation, you know there was not even a cpanel at that time and one who wanted to host had to learn CLI, let alone much sophisticated drag and drop web dev platform as we find at every corner of the web nowadays. I'm not saying all this to brag, just so you know I know what I'm talking about, and it's not what I think but it's what I KNOW. There are thousands of different markets it's unimaginable and I know very well mine since I've been involved in development of thousands of projects online from all around the word.
If we're talking about Taiga 6 I'm afraid we don't see an issue with branding on emails.
As I said, it's your shot. There are tens if not hundreds projects apps to chose from I'm sure you know that
We estimate between 100.000 and 500.000 Taiga instances around the world and this is clearly not an issue at all.
Want to buy my house? Price is between $100k and $500k loll
I'm kidding, it's a very wide range for one to making an idea. I'm kidding, but the truth is even 500k is peanuts in FOSS world with apps of this caliber. Meaning, you can certainly not count on this vague data to affirm that your 'formula' is 'good' for what you believe it is.
we are listening very closely to feedback such as this. We want to create the best agile project management experience for teams and it's tough just by going auto-pilot, it's great to have feedback!
Actually I perceive for now you are more reading than you are really "listening", by the way you address the concerns lifted here with answers that are not taking them in consideration at all. I feel more like you came here more to tell (sell) why you do things the way you do for the reasons you believe is a good or a "fair" thing.
We should be able to brand 100% of the emails, but no one will ever force you do things you strongly believe are right for you.