@girish said in What's coming in Cloudron 7.1:

@girish said in What's coming in Cloudron 7.1:

We figured this one out and IPv6 support will be complete in 7.1. It will support export ports and the email server from the get-go! But as mentioned in previous comment, please hold on before updating if your Cloudron instance is critical.

AMAZING WORK! From our exceptional professional and cutting edge team of developers at Cloudron, should it be said once in a while.

Thanks for your fantastic work @girish @nebulon guys you are simply the bests.

@timconsidine said in NocoDB - Open Source Airtable Alternative:

@martinkbs : NocoDb is good (have it installed elsewhere) but Seatable (https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2517/seatable-speadsheet-meets-database?_=1634306780797) is much nicer (also installed elsewhere). Seatable should be the priority IMHO.

However, nocoDB is Open Source while Seatable is NOT. While Seatable looks great, I'd vote for priority on FOSS apps before paid apps on Cloudron imho.

@nebulon said in Translators hall of fame:

I am very impressed with the effort you translators have put in, this is a lot of work and we haven't heard a single complaint about the translated strings so far! Thank you all a lot!

....and I am sorry that we keep on changing strings in the dashboard for new releases

I was actually trying the use of the French version on one instance and I can confirm that until now the French translation is very good, I mean, excellent.

Then I was thinking about all the DOCS which isn't done yet, so I wanted to offer my contribution to help translate the DOCS in French language as well, because this is a market I will also target. This part is much more elaborated, but as anything else it will be done one day at the time.

Count on me, let me know.

Andy

SEO Panel
World's first seo control panel for multiple websites
https://github.com/seopanel/
https://www.seopanel.org/

That is an amazing fully FOSS web app set of professional tools (used by agencies and SaaS in the like) to manage all technical SEO (more important than ever, this is not meta tags generator) aspects of any and ALL your website.

And you can even perform SEO services for your clients' website doing it yourself as a service or creating accounts for clients so they can use the tools to perform SEO for themselves (and of course even their own clients).

Many services online are charging high monthly dollars per clients for such tools and services. Now, it can be free for CR users as another powerful to to offer online businesses and even agencies that will put Clourdon offer on another higher level.

To me, this is a MUST add to CR, unless there's something that would prevent that which I cannot see now.

I've installed and run a copy on a CR on a LAMP stack and this is pretty much stable, works pretty well and is in constant development as well.

And then Cloudron would be covering the SEO tools domain as well. Unbeatable!

Seo Panel Help Guide: http://docs.seopanel.in/ see how powerful and well elaborated this suite is.
Seo Panel Forum: http://forum.seopanel.in/
Seo Panel Support: http://www.seopanel.in/support/
Seo Panel Contact: http://www.seopanel.in/contact/

LIVE DEMO https://www.seopanel.org/demopanel/

Cheers!
Andy

@vjvanjungg There are a lot of available apps in the like for WordPress. So, for a start one can build a membership site through WordPress. Quickly thinking of s2Member for example, which is among the most powerful that exist and FREE with GPL.

Andy

To add to the idea as well, with this we should also be able as superadmin to brand a part of the footer where the admin could not remove nor change the content of this part.

The best and easiest way to do this, imho, would be half and half, so, for example the owner can brand the left side with its product with a link or two to its customer service or anything else. While admin can customize the top of the page logo and name, as well as its part the right side of the footer.

Moreover, eventually there could even be more functions that could be added for the use of superadmin to get even more flexibility. A quick idea would be to be able to create "packages" of apps available at different prices that could also be great for different needs and target markets.

For example, for example two or three types of packages for business at three different prices.
Like
Business one package for $x/m

• 50 users with as much IMAP, POP, SMTP accounts
• WordPress 5 sites
• Matomo 1 instance
• Chatwoot 1 instance
• Rainloop and SOGo

Business package two for $xx/m

• 200 users with as much IMAP, POP, SMTP accounts
• 20 WordPress sites
• Matomo 1 instance
• Chatwoot 5 instances
• RocketChat 1 instance
• NextCloud 1 instance
• Discourse 1 instance

ETC. see the point? I can be any mix-and-match you like depending on your market and even imagination of you want to reach new ones.

There could be a package for Families, for Teachers, for Coaches, for Communities, for Remote Working Teams etc. etc. you name it.

That can be limited only by imagination as there's possibilities to no end.

Anyone else can see how great can that be?

@daniel-goletz Personally I think cloudron has already enough of these. There is:

• NextCloud's Cards Deck
• Wekan
• Kanboard
• Scrumblr
• Taiga (does much more and kanban as well)
• Confluence (holds Trello)
  AND also
• Redmine
• OpenProject

I've not deeply checked the proposed app, but quickly I cannot see what more feature this addition would bring to the offer.

Regards,
Andy

@brutalbirdie said in Monkey See, Monkey Do: Cloudron Video Explainers:

@robi Yes of course this works! I am well aware of that and as I stated to often, backup and restore imho is one of the best features of Cloudron.

Yes and server MIGRATION (from almost any type to any type) is also a breeze, an incredible ease it's almost fun.

Yes, that seems to be a very great find and I even wonder why this hasn't catch up more than that.
I mean, every business needs to use social media to a minimum for some exposure to your products and services, a place for your tribe and crowds gathering, creating powerful trust in potential client knowing there's a 'public' place where they can reach you in case of need.

Frankly, it's the first time I see a FOSS in this 'department', meaning social media management software and app. Let alone with such advanced development (as it seems from the outside) with many features found only in some of the most expensive (monthly / yearly fee) SaaS in SMM market online.

Plus, with social media marketing, AND with integrated CRM, AND with content studio, content discovery and automated content posts scheduling and much more...

I mean, we'd all a bargain as a powerful digital marketing tool here, but also and new extremely attention drawing addition to the Cloudron offer that will make it even more irresistible and a pure "must-have".

I put a MEGA vote on that one!

Later
Andy

@andrewdietzel Cloudron shouldn't be run in a container. Cloudron should be at the TOP of the chain on a server. That means you install Cloudron right after the installation of a fresh and clean Ubuntu 20.04 minimalist (preferably) and nothing else, and Cloudron will take care of managing all the needed docker containers and services to install and run each and every app within its platform.

@alexdimarco said in Does cloudron block bogon networks?:

One of the wifi networks (I do not have control over) uses bogon IP space for addressing. When connected to this network I cannot access any Cloudron servers. Do they block bogon? If so, how can I white list a network - in specific 100.64.0.0/10?

Cloudron blocks nothing by default.

@humptydumpty Contabo offer an excellent service, however their drawback is they're charging a SETUP fee for each VPSs and prices based on monthly instead on hourly, which makes their offer much less interesting for developers.

They sill have very good prices for quality, but how many time we need to test something or whatever and for such we do quickly fire up a VPS, sometimes it's just a few days, weeks or even just a few hours, then throw it away and you're charged just for the use.

Here too it depends on what you do online.

@nebulon AMAZING!

@Benoit said in Create app "packages" for 'managed' cloudrons:

It could be a manageable app store by the super admin of the cloudron. He could hide the default app store for non technical clients and choose what apps need to be accessible with a customization on the description of these apps. it could be an interface with toggle buttons to activate or deactivate some apps. And you can choose the text you want to show for each app activated. the process to install would be the same. Be careful for me in the back, it is the same app store but it is the front what is different and more compatible with newbies and non tech users.

Certainly, this is another way of seeing and doing things to accomplish this, and it's great ideas as well. That's the reason for such forum and how genius software are created. We have here a crowd of people with amazing backgrounds of all sorts and it's the main reason we've a rich community.

it is a big improvement but it does not seem impossible to do for super @girish ;). Perhaps i don't see all the difficulties it could engage.
Anyway it could be a more comprehensible interface to help the onboarding of new users.

Ah, you're conscious all is possible with @girish right?

@marcusquinn said in Create app "packages" for 'managed' cloudrons:

I loath per-user charges for anything - it is an artificially unnecessary restriction. Far better to charge for resources. I'd actively go out of my way to circumvent any per-user licensing restrictions, including promoting competitive alternatives without it.

It's NOT what we are discussing here and resources or scaling as been touched also part of the idea.

@scooke said in Create app "packages" for 'managed' cloudrons:

Mattermost to TChat, Peertube to Video, Polr to Colibris.Link, and Scrumblr to Post-It. I don't know why they do this; I would think that promoting the use of open source and self-hosted software would gain even more credence by using the well-known name of well-used software.

All your points are good of course. Now, whatever is their reason to do so, at first look they're clearly reflecting the concern addressed by @Benoit because it all depends on your target market may I say it again.

Outside of Internet technologies world, among the people out there, very few who know the biiib about Mattermost, Jitsi, or even Nextcloud and it's a fact. So, when we think about it "packaging" could also help to address the problem for both world. And that all depends on HOW you present the "product" to your target market.

Example:
With package One you can easily publish a website without coding, communicate directly to all visitors though an instant chat device on your site, access all statistics you need to tweak your marketing, and create unlimited email boxes with IMAP, POP3, and SMTP.

You get:

• list your
• apps
• for package one
• with REAL app name

Again, imagination is the limit.

@Benoit said in Create app "packages" for 'managed' cloudrons:

Hi,

it could be interesting to have the possibility to present the apps with our words in the app store and not in technical words. Some clients we have doesn't understand what the apps do before they have our point of view and explanations about it. we are trying to democratize the use of open source apps and for that we have to get out of technical jargon. It would be amazing et we could adapt the app store app description and hide to complicated apps for example. Sorry for my english, I hope to be understandable.

Benoit

Quite understandable for sure and I really get your point because providing more generic, or more wide publicly understandable, names for the app with meaning. Believe me I hear you because that would be of help for some of my target market.

And we're back to what I keep saying, some feature can be from fantastic for one and an horrible idea for another, because points lifted by @scooke here below are as quite good and legitimate too.

I'm part of both world, yeah the people side who are now forced somewhat to live with technology and learn to take advantage of it, and the techies world who develops, installs, integrates, manages, and maintains all this for the people.

One thing's for sure is Cloudron is built by and for the second "world" I talk about, and as such changing the name of the apps in the apps-store would be totally out of the question for me.

However, we could certainly find a way to satisfy needs of all.

What pops my mind quickly is there could be a chart presented to the client somewhere that could provide instant understanding of the app is or what it does, so the client can lookup from what he wants to do, and be presented with the available apps he can use for such specific task. For example, there's the Category list from the drop-down menu at the top of the app store, may be something that could be rethought?

@scooke said in Create app "packages" for 'managed' cloudrons:

Could the same idea/process be adapted for a Superadmin to "categorize" Cloudron App Store apps, making only certain ones visible to the next level Admin. Come to think of it, a Reseller account on MXRoute allows the Superadmin to do exactly this - create a Package, name it, define it's parameters, and allow the Customer the option to choose from the prepared Packages.

Sort of. That resemble the analogy with WHM - Cpanel I use to explain the idea in my OP here.

@luckow said in Create app "packages" for 'managed' cloudrons:

To me, it sounds like ansible could be a solution.

Absolutely! My initial idea was to maybe perform some custom script, a standard of course, that would be somehow triggered while you register the new instance from your cloudron.io account. However, Ansible could also be used to accomplish after the instance is installed and could also be used to upgrade the package for the clients from the provider/MSP's side through CLI. Before or after you'd performed the installation, that would be something yet to consider.

Maybe one day, you are able to buy a subscription upfront and add it to your ansible-playbook (the installation process).

Why not.

@girish said in Create app "packages" for 'managed' cloudrons:

@micmc The idea to create bundles is interesting. Do you (or anyone) have experience with software we should integrate with that makes this possible ?

I was not referring to something that much elaborated as integrating another software or piece of code into Cloudron to accomplish this. On the other hand, depending on how you see the "packaging" idea from your side it's not excluded that something could exist. There are many ways to accomplish one thing in software.

I am not sure if we want to implement this system ourselves. It's best to integrate with something else that can create bundles, manage your customers, payments etc. And cloudron can integrate with it by exposing the necessary APIs.

Now this is where you should be a little more explicit with what you have in mind regarding this idea. Of course if we get onto the API transactions side, now something else could be imagined and elaborated I can see what you mean. And, yes maybe it could be through the use of another software.

Would a CRM be something you had in mind to accomplish that?

I was more referring for the moment to something in the like of creating kind of a custom installation providing access to only what's described in the package offer through a yml file for example. But after that, as @luckow brought up down below, there should be also a way to implement some sort of limitation as well.
For example:

appstore:
  noaccess:
   - io.wekan.cloudronapp
   - io.cloudron.openvpn
   - etc.
  yesaccess:
   - org.wordpress.cloudronapp: {5}
   - com.nextcloud.cloudronapp: {1}
   - etc. {}

Sort of. Of course that means that all the apps in the package will not be installed. Rather they will only be available, or not, and limited.

As it was brought up as well, "Users" is something else, yep. And, well, afterthought that might not be that important after all in terms of packaging. Because if the amount of users is unlimited with any package, that should still somehow help to get the client to scale up its package with an increasing amount of users.

And yes, that would also means that any 'managed' Cloudron package would come with unlimited email accounts, an then yet another way to increase the need to scale its needs.