@LoudLemur WOW apparently this one went under the radar 
That would sound like a great addition. On the other hand, I'm not much fund on Java. Might be because all I knew was it was resource hungry but that was a long time ago.
Do you think it would run well on cloudron?
Another concern is that Java is among the oldest programming languages and yet we still see not much of Java apps, at least in FOSS market.
@plains-digital said in Actionscheduler takes 4GB:
I guess you take this SC out of WP Optimize and I see you have the optimize button feature available, did you actually try to optimize the table ?
@girish stumbled on this here the user cameragiare here above in the thread, is flagged as Banned however his profile is still alive and full of spammed backlinks to his spammy sites from this forum.
JSYK
@marcusquinn I absolutely second all that is said here above.
Postal would a 'feature' that would greatly enhance the CR offer.
@subven said in Wordpress Update Message:
@robi make a clone from a backup and update the cloned site. Take a look at the live log while opening the site. It will tell you exactly where it breaks and why. For me it was because of outdated themes and old plugins and I fixed 6/8 sites so far.
Excellent insight!
Thanks 
@marcusquinn Wow, nice find!
Did you dig a little on that one?
For example, they claim to be "proudly open source" BUT "All data is processed through European-owned infrastructure"?
Is this only through their own SaaS, or is it built so that operators are 'forced' to process "all data" through their source?
That is at first look, so if you know, but I'll dig a little from my side for sure.
But, at first look, it also looks great and has very intersting features. Thanks for sharing
@jdaviescoates said in Castopod Host - open-source hosting platform made for podcasters who want engage and interact with their audience.:
We don't really have any podcasting solutions on Cloudron yet, so it'd be really great to have this!
And extra bonus points because it's also support ActivityPub and so is part of the fediverse too! (which is massively gaining traction because Musk is such an idiot)
Moreoever, it already has its Official DOCKER image, so what else is there to ask, or need.
@abargel
Just so we all understand, and maybe @girish that should be moved to the off topic or else section, this is NOT a server app and as such cannot be installed on Cloudron.
However, that doesn't mean it's not interesting to learn about it. In fact it's a very interesting solution for building static websites.
This is a desktop app, available for all PC platforms, installed on one's local PC and used to build static websites, then through the local app one pushes the wholes sites or simple updates or even a single post to its location on a server.
Hence, any server side app that can be used to serve static websites files, like a simple web server, can be used to serve the websites created with the client side (PC) app. For example a LAMP installation should do the trick, or even Surfer or Github pages apparently.
Cool find and share!
@girish Amazing!
The new update has fixed the above described problem and we have been able to update and are now running version 4.4.2 of Mautic.
Great job! Thanks.
@girish said in Switch to Composer-based installation:
@micmc said in Switch to Composer-based installation:
My installation is running 4.4.0, this is what we see at the bottom of the page inside my Mautic app. Though the update module of my Mautic installation in Cloudron says my version is 4.1.1
I guess you meant 4.4.1. This I can confirm, something is odd...
Yes, 4.4.1 is what I meant.
@marcusquinn Mate you're on fire or what?
@mdreira There might be something interesting for a centralized set of apps one can use, to adapt to one needs somehow.
However, I doubt very much you will find any equivalent to at least Mautic, WordPress and Chatwoot within any of the proposed ERP / CRM or any known app in the like, for that matter.
@mdreira said in ERPNext - cost-effective ERP solution:
@nj ERPNext 14 also have an LMS, right?
Seem like yes, indeed, as it is written on the quoted page. And it seems to be very powerful as well.
@robi said in [For Hire] Custom Cloudron Dashboard:
@micmc read that as a custom new dash, not modifying the existing one.
Yeah, exactly what I thought and why I wanted to make the thing clearer. Thanks.
@thetomester13 To make things clear, what I believe is that one cannot customize the Cloudron dashboard per se.
So, indeed the API is complete enough and much powerful enough as well to create another custom dashboard the one can use to manage its box.
Otherwise, one cannot customize the Cloudron dashboard as it is, not even through API. Right?
Have I missed something?
@potemkin_ai said in Restrict AppStore apps:
@micmc thanks, that's what I was looking for
Your welcome pal.
@d19dotca said in Sharing custom SpamAssassin Rules:
Latest round of SpamAssassin rules I'm using, if anyone is interested.
The highlights here are just a couple of things:
- A few new sources which come with new rules
- Slight scoring tweaks on just a few rules
Of course, as they say... YMMV.
Amazing stuff mate! That's a great work and thank you so much for sharing this with the folks here.
@girish said in Switch to Composer-based installation:
@luckow Oh thanks, we do use composer to install the deps. I think they want to install mautic itself via composer.
What @luckow is referring to is that plugins can be installed by accessing the marketplace from within the Mautic app now.
The screenshot above is what we can see from inside the app stating we cannot use the market place because it claims we're not using Composer.
Now, that brings another issue with that Composer thing apparently.
My installation is running 4.4.0, this is what we see at the bottom of the page inside my Mautic app. Though the update module of my Mautic installation in Cloudron says my version is 4.1.1
Apparently we need to apply that update within Mautic as well so it'd be completed. We receive this notification inside the app.
Though when we try to update it seems we cannot do it because files cannot be extracted because of dir permission of all evidences.
We are being told that updating through the UI is deprecated and won't work anymore with version 5, with the notification of the update available.
But as we can see, the update you push to Cloudron is not updating the app itself, the app is assuming we're not yet using Composer, and file permission is preventing us from manually applying the update to the app. 
Here's the log after the missed update:
Aug 16 15:18:28 [Tue Aug 16 19:18:28.687822 2022] [php7:warn] [pid 35418] [client 172.18.0.1:45860] PHP Warning: ZipArchive::extractTo(): Read-only file system in /app/code/app/bundles/CoreBundle/Controller/AjaxController.php on line 522, referer: https://the.mautic.app/s/update
It seems there's some update path that needs to be reviewed. Otherwise, the app works great.
@potemkin_ai That would be from cloudron CLI with a specific custom app address.
Check the docs for the cloudron CLI package.
@jdaviescoates said in Very bizarre issue with cloned app:
Literally have no idea why just cloning and doing a search/ replace didn't result in the exact same thing, but there you go. Bizarre.
Might have something to do the settings of your permalinks.
At your first trial had you set them the same as they previously were on the original hosting platform?
Look at this closely next time, this is often what causes broken links issues. That's without knowing how you processed your migration at first from the old site.
@nebulon Possibly, so that's great then
Thanks folk.
@nebulon There's a glitch in the view of the scrolldown menu on mobile view which needs to be fixed.
@privsec It's now reached version 1.0 BETA and it sounds great indeed.
https://castopod.org/
@BrutalBirdie I agree this is one of a good idea and suitable as well. And I believe he meant to add the support script to the cloudron box indeed. At least this is what is the good idea.
@potemkin_ai said in Restrict AppStore apps:
Hi! Is there a way to restrict apps available for installation from CloudRon AppStore?
Setting private registry / repository is fine.
Yeah, this is something I've been proposing for a while now.
I've previously posted a thread with extended explanation of how it could work here:
https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/7038/create-app-packages-for-managed-cloudrons/23
And that kind of feature would definitely fit the whitelabeling features I've been discussing for a while also and posted details a few days back about this as well here:
https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/7478/more-on-whitelabelling-cloudron-for-providing-managed-cloudron-instances/7
@marcusquinn said in Perhaps it is time to think about alternatives:
@micmc Notifications settings at /settings/user/notifications might offer the options you need?
No, I've checked that already. There doesn't seem there's a way to concise that, I thought I was maybe missing something.
@marcusquinn I see all the praise about NextCloud Talk, however at some point I'd been testing it however, it seems to work pretty well for live one on one talk, but in the other hand, I find very much annoying the constant notifications of every action and move being added to the chat thread, which renders it very difficult to follow the text chat as it is normally. Have I missed something? Or is there a way to cut that?
@nebulon I've always thought it was coming from the sounding of running apps in the cloud. And so that is why one needs its apps to be cloud run(ed), or even cloud r on whatever that sounds loudly pronounced in some part of the world.
@plusone-nick You see, 10 years, 20 years or 32, does not really matter with ideas, right.
That's because ideas, like inventions, are born out of a necessity to create a solution, and commercially speaking for the best chances of success that solution must be a win-win one. That is, profitable for the developers and for the end users (providers/clients).
And I appreciate all comments, this is how I believe we can tend to perfection. On the other hand one must be realistic at all points, especially when there's no real motive to be against something that will not affect the 'opposition' lol My experience tells that in 99% of the cases it's based on misunderstanding. And I can verily live with that.
Hopefully, one has also checked out all the threads I quote and include in my OP. And there are even more but I did not want to overload this one. Because what I'm talking about here is not a surprise and I'm not 'new' here.
There are pieces of suggestions and discussions in this regard all over the place in the forum. And for a few years now, I've engaged in much discussions with @girish and devs through the old rocketchat channel and through email about the possibilities to market the technology. At some point we agreed to put more about the idea of WL in the forum because the potential is huge for anyone who would have a use (a marketing idea and plan) to market cloudron licenses through that mean. What's the real power behind 'MikeroFoft'? The software, not at all right, then it's the power of marketing.
No one, among actual users and adopter, will even be aware it exist a WL version, unless they dig more or pay very close attention, or ask for it. All my ideas and suggestions have always been thought and proposed in that very direction. I've never discussed nor proposed, let alone pushed, the awesome cloudron devs folks to change anything of the model they chose to run and are running.
Not at all. It's the contrary it's all thought so they can be able to provide such WL version (a little bit inspired from the old 'hosting provider' version they had at some point, but more integrated with their new registration UI) as a totally parallel system that would not interfere with what they are actually doing, and at the lowest possible development needs. There will still have a need for integration development from the WL registrar side into their chosen marketing model.
It's always oriented to be a win-win situation, which consist of an important increase of revenue for the devs for the same product, but at the lowest development cost as possible, and without the hassle of equivalent increase in needs for support and resources. And, even, without the risk of getting quickly overwhelmed with a sudden increase in the number of new users and demands that they might not be able to get over for a certain while, and so then, yes, that would affect the existing support pace other users are getting in the forum right now, and also losing sales.
You've pointed the right factors in question and it's all already covered.
There's NO problem, it's all already thought and feasible solutions. 
(I'm kidding) nothing will change for anyone. Only, if you decide to register for a branded version of cloudron then you will need to use your WL branding special key at registration in your account. That's it.Thanks for the +1 and for allowing me to clarify things a little more mate.
@marcusquinn 32 years in business tells me the whole contrary mate
Among these years are 22 online developing, providing and integrating Internet web, communication and marketing technologies.
As I explained, the functions to allow whitelabeling cloudron I propose would not touch how you, or anyone else, do business right now with Cloudron technology and devs, and not even how you use it at your own convenience. No one will force you to use the white label version, promise.
So, in such regards I wonder why you insist in hijacking the thread with irrelevant comments since you've already stated your opinion for creating a partner program, and I'm perfectly fine with it and respect it, and, obviously WL is not something for you if you don't see the potential. And it's because you not have a clue of what you personally would do with it. Obviously, you've your ideas and fortunately some others have other ideas to make this model profitable.
I know of several HUGE SaaS web services that have white label version of their software and a few friends veterans in online marketing running them. So, you're exactly right, one business experience does not necessarily reflects the whole industry.
I've not asked for business advice here nor asked for votes. And moreover I have not even exposed my business ideas yet, but if that idea disturbs you that much for some reasons, check on some other threads man lol why not start a thread, yeah start a thread for proposing your partner program idea, which is cool also.
I've run both in my career white label and partners program, and even affiliates programs and have make huge mass sales as in the 5-10 figures in a few days, through powerful well crafted marketing campaigns. I think I know what I'm talking about and know very well what I'm doing. Take care.
@necrevistonnezr said in 'Waiting for the host' message if managed by CloudRon:
@potemkin_ai BTW who is this Cloud-Ron and where can we meet him?
@jdaviescoates said in Cannot login to site after migrating a wordpress.com site to Cloudron:
@micmc thanks, that might well have done it too, who knows?
Perhaps I'll give that a try at some point!
Edit: nope, that wouldn't have helped - the wpconfig.php files before and after migration were identical.
Perhaps I'll give that a try at some point!
Edit: nope, that wouldn't have helped - the wpconfig.php files before and after migration were identical.
Huh? That's just impossible mate.
You see, wp-config files holds database credentials. So when you migrate form another server, the wp migration file will carry the wp-config file with db connect credentials from that server.
Now, you need to install a fresh WordPress before migrating the site, so how can the cloudron install provide the sames db connect credential as the other site had? Might have you mixed the wp-config files?
@marcusquinn said in More on Whitelabelling Cloudron for providing managed Cloudron instances:
Or just have a "partner programme", where that partner is referred leads for any local manage service provider needs. Cloudron does framework, partner does implementation. Clear, with credit or responsibility where it is due.
As far as I can understand you here, a "partner program" as you suggest is totally something else in many ways. It also focuses on a totally different business model with much less flexibility and possibilities than one have with White Label version.
For a start, I'm not suggesting that cloudron changes its actual business model. So, it would change nothing to how it works and how you can do things right now in any way, with cloudron.
It much depends on the goal one wants to reach with the technology, but nothing prevents the owner to create a partner program as well if some are interested in such thing. Though there are several different implications for the developers too, in both models.
The main reason for a white label model is that one can develop and deploy many branded concepts with the use of the exact same technology. And as such, what's interesting for cloudron developers is that it allows for them to get a revenue increase, without the much increase in support and related resources that would require the same revenue increase, but with a partner program for example.
Another, major difference is about the end user, the client. In the case of a "partner program" you deploy marketing and sales as the clients finder, and then you pass them to cloudron devs. With WL model you find clients for your brand and concept from the cost of the marketing you deploy but the clients are yours. You get in your own program, even white labeler cans created their own partner program, you nurture them, support them, teach them support them, and upsell them to more related products and services if you wish. In other words you run your own show.
@jdaviescoates You might have overwritten the wp-config.php file created by cloudron install, with the wp-config.php file in your migration file.
There's nothing to prevent you from redoing the process since you already have the migration file on hand.
So, simply scrap this install. Reinstall WordPress with Cloudron and make a backup of the wp-config.php file before migrating. Then upload and overwrite the wp-config.php file with the one created with cloudron that you've just backed up.
All should work as normally now.
@marcusquinn said in Perhaps it is time to think about alternatives:
... Rocket Chat might be good for now ... is the website chat widget. ...
Which can also be easily implemented with Chatwoot if only a chat widget is required.
@JLX89 Are you using a wp reset plugin?
The only thing I can see is that you have either a plugin or a 'bad coded' wp theme that is resetting your wp installation every time you start it.
Otherwise, I cannot see what would be causing this behavior. You are saying everything installed is 'legit', il's up to you to know. Now are all themes multisite compatible? Maybe, one is not and causing this glitch for some reasons.
In 99% of cases I've seen, and I've seen a lot, such behavior is due to some files within the wp structure, either from a plugin or a theme, which are not functioning as it should and most of the time it's because they've been modified for a hidden purpose.
Another, reason much less often seen, is a bug caused by some incompatibility between some plugins and some themes.
Generally speaking, wp mutisite works pretty well on Cloudron. I run one for years.
If you are certain all your files are from clean provenance, then try steps activation of themes and plugins. Like, activate a theme and restart wp and see what happens and so on.
@humptydumpty might not as sophisticated as all that is proposed, but looking at FOSS and something available with Cloudron is Joplin.
The mobile app allows to take pictures and instantly upload them to any notebook you want to of course comment back and forth with users with which you've shared the notebook.
Could be much useful, while waiting for the sophisticated oss self-hosted app.
@JLX89 What do you mean by " WordPress (Developer) Mulisite"?
You mean, you install an WordPress (Developer) instance and then manually implement what's required for running a Mulisite instance?
Now, no, installed themes being removed after you restart the WP Mutisite enabled app is not standard, nor even normal, so obviously something went wrong.
Were themes installed and activated before or after running in multisite mode?
Are all used themes from reliable developers' and original authors, or you versions borrowed activated from other sources?
ETC.
Can you tell us more about what you did?
As promised here here are more findings and suggestions that I propose for whitelabeling cloudron
I'm also including here the suggestions also brought up by @nothing that were also appreciated by @girish and fit well with some other suggestions I'd also proposed in some other threads (see references below)
Branding is too limited and the following are a few things I have noticed:
- Page Titles still contain Cloudron e.g. User account creation
- Emails sent to user with "Cloudron" in the subject, "powered by Cloudron" in footer
- In user's dashboard, hovering over fa-user icon user is prompted to "Login with Cloudron credentials"
- "Cloudron account" in a user's profile under App Passwords
- DKIM cloudron._domainkey prefix should be changed, not only for branding but other reasons (obscurity). Why needlessly announce an organization is using Cloudron?
Branding should extend to the above. and anything I have yet to see, especially in an Enterprise setting. It should reflect the name of the organization. Ultimately, the user is creating an account with the organization, and not with Cloudron.
Also, refer to features I proposed in a previous great discussion about Hiding superadmin to deliver 'managed' cloudron to clients.
So here's what I add, that I also came out for whitelabeling implementation of cloudron.
FOR THE ADMIN user (the not superadmin or superuser)
In SUPPORT should not have to 'verify' their email address with cloudron.io, then their should be implemented a field on a 'white label form' to fill, which will add the white label registrar's contact information or a mean to reach it instead of cloudron.io
In SUPPORT one should not see "You can also write directly to support@cloudron.io." again that could be either hidden or use a contact form to which WL registrar would add on the 'white label form to fill'
In SUPPORT ticket form should be sent to owner/superadmin of the white labeled CR instance - can be set or not through superadmin
In SUPPORT "remote support" feature should not be seen by admin but superadmin only, for WL version, because WL registrar would take care of the support of its clients. So, owner/superadmin would be the only one to use that to allow cloudron.io access to the server, if needed.
In SUPPORT superadmin should also be able to customise links to KB, Tutorial, and Forum, very likely through the 'white label form' to fill and submit to customize the cloudron instance as WL. So, again WL registrar can handle its own KB, its own Tutorials, and its own users' forum.
In EVENT LOG one should be able not see the superuser activities, if not superuser oneself (I guess it appears, I'm not sure)
In NETWORK at the moment logged in as admin I cannot see the Firewall function. Alright, while I can imagine why admin user cannot block IP addresses (reasons?), for WL version I would not see a problem to leave this feature at admin level, as well as superuser of course.
In USER DIRECTORY admin should not be able to see the superadmin role, in role's dropdown choices, when adding a new user.
In APPS admin should not be able to see superadmin in Access Control users' dropdown choices
Creating a WHITELABEL instance should be as easy as using a special code when one registers a new license from within one's cloudron.io account's UI. And that instance should then be added to the WL registrar (cloudron WL provider using its WL code) pool of WL instances.
Now, for the all the documentation links all over inside the box, in oder to keep the WL offer full and constant, I believe the easiest solution that would also be fine for all users of the cloudron box, WL or not, is to put all the docs on a new domain name dedicated just for that does not refer nor link back to the developer's website. The way it is done for now is not useful and confusing for any end users already.
Several cloudron owner use their instance to serve clients of their own already, so anytime an end user stumbles on a meaning to reach cloudron.io in any way, that is where the confusion starts occuring, because cloudron.io might not be their service provider in many cases. Moreover, that is also a protection for the client finder that its end user will not eventually bypass the original provider by going straight cr.io even if it's only inadvertently. Or even to keep competitors away from the 'secret software' they use as a provider loll
There's no need to hide or replace the name of the box, cloudron, for the domain. As long as it's not directly linking users back to the develpers' website. That should be very easy and quick to implement using search and replace technique in the source code to change all the documentation links at once. Domain name should not be very hard to find or decide on, I'm sure something like cloudrondocs.something should be very easy to find.
And, also to make it more specific and easier to distinguish I'd suggest that maybe the term 'SUPERUSER' should be replaced to use OWNERADMIN instead.
More discussion revolving around the same views for brandind and whilabeling
Create app "packages" for 'managed' cloudrons
Branding Limitation
Any comments and or suggestions are of course very welcomed.
@perler Wow, that is a very good catch!
The kind of; "huh, why have I not thought about this one before, yet it seems obvious"... As you say it, the idea comes from an instant need once in front of a specific situation which requires a solution that no one seems to have a previous need.
And while reading how you describe it, in pops in mind like; "yeah, that would be master piece to be able to restore the files only, in an app as Nextcloud". So true.
There could be others apps as well, but at first thought NC is the very first candidate for such desirable feature, because of the very nature of the app which holds files, and potentially team communications and email boxes as well. And this is where we can see that restoring the whole pack at once, especially for a well active NC app, could produce unexpected outcomes. Depending of course on how the app is used inside an organization.
I don't think it would be a required feature for all apps. But then, if it's easier to implement as a general backup feature then why not. I would vote for this.
Thanks for the heads-up.
@girish said in PostHog is developer-friendly, open-source product analytics:
I recall that this requires clickhouse. Looking into this again, it seems clickhouse it's quite easy to deploy.
Wow, this looks and sounds quite much as a winner to me.
Hey folks anyone here knows where to upload the database from maxmind. Apparently the database cannot be fetched from the UI even the license key?
@girish Nan, forget the above I'd made a little more research in the forum and found the solution here, thanks anyway.
@girish I'm experiencing the same behavior with the latest update to 4.4
It's working partly, but refuses to edit forms or simply create new, the form does not appears in Mautic and logs returns a 500 response to HTTP/1.1 requests see
Jul 14 08:41:45 74.127.202.58 - - [14/Jul/2022:12:41:45 +0000] "GET /s/forms/new?_=1657802230498&mauticUserLastActive=275&mauticLastNotificationId= HTTP/1.1" 500 161 "https://cx.domain.com/s/forms" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/102.0.5005.136 Safari/537.36"
In fact nothing happens in the UI when clicking these functions. Same for landing pages and some other functions
Jul 14 08:48:08 74.127.202.58 - - [14/Jul/2022:12:48:08 +0000] "GET /s/pages/new?_=1657802230506&mauticUserLastActive=658&mauticLastNotificationId= HTTP/1.1" 500 161 "https://cx.domain.com/s/pages" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/102.0.5005.136 Safari/537.36"
Same for emails channel.
Been trying with different browsers and they return the same. Assets works as well as Dynamic content.
There does not seem to be other bugs for now.
@nebulon WOW again Neb that's pretty much awesome and indeed quite useful ! I even believe that sould answers many requests for something in the like, at least temporarily, it's a start. Thanks for the good ideas and the great work.
@opensourced Maybe that could help quickly. According to my own experience and how you describe how it's happening and how the attempts to connect is made, I'd bet you have WordPress instances on that Cloudron instance. And one, or several, of them are running corrupted hidden codes which are mostly found in plugins from doubtful sources. I'm not implying that it's you or anything else, I'm just pointing you in a direction that is very likely the case of what's happening on your Cloudron instance that triggers RBLs. So, you might want to check the source of the plugins if they're all from the original author, if not then you might want to look in the direction of the plugins 'borrowed' from, or distributed by some other sources than the originator.
As per realtime collaboration on docs using Markdown I don't know if anyone had tried but HedgeDoc available here on Cloudron is amazing.
There also exist imho a great altenative to MS/G docs for the documents work with team collaboration it's called Quip and I use to use it a few years back when it started, and before I start to move to more private/secure/nosniff/notrack solutions, and it works pretty well, only in the like of MS/G they're SaaS and not FOSS. On that I'm with @timconsidine and would rather adopt and make all that is possible to get us/people away from big tech dominance as they've become a plea imo, especially in the last two years. So let's get back our tech, our web, our Internet and so let's work on open source as much as we can in all cases we can.
@Stephanie_Sy said in Is there any real alternative to Google Docs / Office 365 out there?:
try Open Xchange
That's exactly where @marcusquinn links to, just here above... 
@bubonicfred said in Submit Cloudron to Ubuntu for Publication:
You can install snapd on non-ubuntu systems. Though I have no idea if they have any advantage over flatpak or appimage.
Yep, except it turns that we want to get away from snap instead of adopting it for some reasons mentioned here above, so well that's a choice
@fbartels said in Is there any real alternative to Google Docs / Office 365 out there?:
aim to come close are LibreOffice (or Collabora) and
Which apparently has made a jump ahead with compatibility enhancement with the most recent version. Though I haven't had the time to confirm that myself yet.
@humptydumpty Nice suggestion!
However, this is mainly used to make your digital video camera or DSLR the camera for streaming instead of using a typical webcam.
@timconsidine said in Best Linux for old 2009 iMac:
I have an old Imac 27" late 2009 model.
Anyone have anything similar successfully running Linux ?I have hacked it so it runs Catalina, but can't get anything newer currently.
I'm struggling to find a Linux distro to put on it due to graphics issues.
Safe graphics mode works for the trial modes.
But installing to disk seems to remove the safe graphics mode and it boots to a blank screenI have tried Mint, PopOS and Zorin Lite.
Any other suggestions of a Linux for old machines to try ?
I'd guess Puppy Linux would work. I do not know much about iMac however I run this perfectly well in an old 2005 Compaq Presario V2000 laptop with AMD Turion 64 processor.
It's comes fully loaded and extremely easy to use.
Try it out, let's hope that would help you revive your old pal
@jdaviescoates said in Submit Cloudron to Ubuntu for Publication:
@micmc said in Submit Cloudron to Ubuntu for Publication:
Personally I, and a lot of Ubuntu users, hate SNAPS
I hate them when they haven't been packaged well (which seems to very often be the case),
loll so true and one of the first reasons I started to hate this.
which means I now opt for a good old non-Snap format if available.
Always the best choice to make, indeed.
https://twitter.com/jdaviescoates/status/1526524692193869825
Well pointed, that expresses the sentiment of many and part of the reasons of the great exodus away from Ubuntu's distros.
@necrevistonnezr said in Submit Cloudron to Ubuntu for Publication:
@micmc said in Submit Cloudron to Ubuntu for Publication:
Anyway, those who move to Linux or other Unix-based desktop OS are doing to NEVER come back to either Winthedoze or Crackmymac for sure.
Simply not true as a generalization. If you need to work and depend on compatibility with file formats of your customers, there’s now way around them (e.g. exchange of contract drafts with tracked changes in Word as a lawyer). And I learned to love my mac for its simplicity and „just works“ approach after using Fedora and Ubuntu privately for a while - I‘m more productively working and less fiddling with the OS and little tools…
Yeah, I cannot disagree with you here because if course there's a lot of variables involved, I'll tell you, though hush, I'm still running a windoze machine somewhere down there for the very reason of some files compatibility issues sometimes (however not that much as LibreOffice and OnlyOffice are getting more and more sophisticated and compatible with MS crap) however it's running win 7 only. No Win-Spy 10 and above. As a mac user I completely understand where you stand, but I cannot agree it's simpler to use than Ubuntu distros, not anymore to the least, and I've reasons to believe, after a little more than 30 years in IT, that Apple might sniff more on its users than its users tend to believe, just as micro-sh.t does.
@marcusquinn said in Submit Cloudron to Ubuntu for Publication:
My absolute favourite Ubuntu-based Linux desktop distros, after battle-testing so many in Proxmox, in many different ways for personal and business needs:
That's it. No Arch, Manjaro, Ubuntu, SuSe, or anything else crazy, sexy or cool, according to others.
I must agree those three are indeed great distros as well, though the snap thingy is still part of Zorin which is Ubuntu based distro, which many users still would love to get rid of. And that seems to be the case for some Kubuntu users as well.
Too bad because Kubuntu was perfect for running on very old machines and even laptops without much resources but it's not the case anymore because of this "snap attack" on Ubuntu based distros. Really much too bad. If one has a beefy machine and don't mind running mostly binaries Kubuntu would be the choice imho.
Actually, afaics Linux Mint is still the only Ubuntu based distro which does NOT includes "snap hell" lol but good 'ol apt install and flatpak as well.
@LoudLemur Personally I, and a lot of Ubuntu users, hate SNAPS and many Ubuntu desktop users are getting away from Ubuntu for that very reasons, because snaps apps are distributed as binaries each one running in snaps containers which allows very few possibilities to very the source code, In essence it's becoming kind of Ubundows, or Winuntu if you prefer, as snaps tend to be the EXE files of Linux users that you install on your desktop or even server OS.
I quit using Ubuntu desktop since the use of snap which also tends to load the machine and requires much more resources than before, just like the .... windoze. For now I use Linux Mint which have NOT included snaps in its OS and thus have gain an army of new users simply quitting Ubuntu.
"the decision to change the Software Center to install snap-based applications is controversial."
Moreover, for any interested in Unix Desktop I'm lurking at moving to Fedora Workstation which apparently would be the best desktop OS one can find today.
Anyway, those who move to Linux or other Unix-based desktop OS are doing to NEVER come back to either Winthedoze or Crackmymac for sure. 
All that said, I personally would not necessarily be happy to see Cloudron as a snap on Ubuntu, this is only mho, as it might not make it a good name among the FOSS community. But, hey, who am I to decide. 