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@jdaviescoates Yeah, there are many things in development, it's actually pretty heavily developed and updated several times a week, so I've no doubt it'll come to a point where it'll connect to big tech's api as well, sooner that later...

By reading descriptions here, I detected 2 major differences.

1. It seems like LibreChat CAN be used with APIs to most the big external LLMs available, which Open WebUI does NOT. It can use only OpenAI's API.
2. It seems like LibreChat must use APIs to outsider RAG system, while Open WebUI has it's own RAG system integrated.
3. Yeah, there might be a third one. Open WebUI is geared to use most of the open source LLMs available right now, it even has a huggingface pipeline, it's a great community with available plugins, functions and tasks, while LibreChat does not seem, at first glance, to be geared to use open source LLMs.

There would be a use for both and since Open WebUI is already on Cloudron, it could be cool to add LibreChat as well. On another note, there's AnythingLLM that has also been suggested. Is there any comparison made to that also amazing LLMs UI? Would be interesting to find out as well before spending time adding a new LLM UI on Cloudron, and thus keep resources to add some other much on demand apps that have been in the waiting for long.

@jdaviescoates said in Cloudron services are slow:

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@KhalilZammeli said in Cloudron services are slow:

update of the screenshot for our wordpress service, very high CPU usage, how can we investigate these ?

Given the above and the fact WordPress uses mysql (and is very often attacked as it's so widely used, and malicious plugins are also quite common) that seem to me to be the obvious first app to investigate.

Absolutely! Most of the time a WP plugin is the culprit. A WP plugin that's been acquired through a 'friend' which is not the original developer. Extremely, dangerous these are compromised in 99% of the times.

@igaudette said in Focus on Business Apps:

I tried Directus but it's not like budibase or appsmith.. It's more a database management tool with an interface. You can't build apps. A good use case for Budibase or Appsmith was to create a frontend for n8n and start workflows via webhooks.

I cannot compare them because, I know the other 2 but I have yet to take a deeper look and it's been possible to build apps with DBMS for a long, long time I'd just say maybe it just depends on the TYPE of apps one's talking about or needs, but you definitely can builds some apps with Directus. Last summer they started a video series called 100 Tools, Apps, and Platform You Can Build With Directus.

On another note, some of the most on demand apps to be added on Cloudron right now, in the areas discussed here but aren't just yet, can be tested on EasyPanel, you can use Appssmith, Activepieces, Openblocks, BotPress (ressources hog), Flowise, Qdrant, Metabase, Nocobase, NodeJS, SupaBase, I haven't tried them all yet but I'm running an instance of Flowise, ActivePieces and Qdrant definitely exciting to say the least. Cheers!

@imc67 said in Focus on Business Apps:

@micmc said in Focus on Business Apps:

I use EasyPanel

Thanks for sharing EasyPanel!!!

My pleasure mate!

@eddowding said in Focus on Business Apps:

Huh. Easypanel is a great contender. More maintenance and no email, and way more technical looking .. but definitely very interesting.

I think EP's also is a lot of fun to use and play with as one needs a bit more technical skills and knowledge in some areas, and Cloudron is so easy to use while so powerful it's become a little bit boring to use

@igaudette said in Focus on Business Apps:

And to conclude, more no-code/low-code platforms such as Budibase or Appsmith.

I'd suggest that you take a closer and deeper at Cloudron's app rep.
There's Directus, do you know Directus, and what about NocoDB.

@igaudette said in Focus on Business Apps:

But IMHO where Cloudron is lacking the most right now is in innovative solutions that can have a BIG IMPACT on businesses. I'm making reference to AI-related platforms. AI is currently changing the world and as a business owner, we can't ignore it... We need to start integrating it into our processes ASAP. A few platforms are Langflow, Flowise, Autogen & Crew AI.

OpenWeb UI and N8N are absolutely great and POWERFUL apps that CAN be definitely be used by an Agency or freelancer to use and develop complete Automation with AI solutions with Agents, Chatbots even with RAG and Pipeline and MUCH more... And I've yet to talking about Chatwoot and Typebot so there are plenty of very good powerful amazing apps in those field, I mean enough at least to feed your hunger they may be not your preferred ones that you'd want to have right now, but on Cloudron the offer in that sector is very well filled imho.

@girish said in twenty - A Modern Open Source CRM:

We're currently in the development phase of Twenty's alpha version.

This is still there... Also, https://twenty.com/pricing says "Keep in mind we are still in alpha so version updates could be a challenge." . Best to wait.

Huh, I agree we still have to take the development stage in perspective and indeed I thought that ALPHA stage IN DEVELOPMENT was not a good idea to add to Cloudron yet. Even though the app looks great and promising.

@igaudette said in Focus on Business Apps:

With all the respect I have for the Cloudron team, I think you are not as good marketers as you are developers.

No, they are NOT marketers at all and, well this imho, not even much business oriented at all either I even wonder if they understand marketing. No offence intended I too respect the team and its work VERY much, but unfortunately in general this is the proper of the majority of developers even though they're among the bests. I wonder if only they have any idea of HOW to market Cloudron efficiently.

I can relate because I'm doing marketing and business online for almost 25 years, in the software and hosting industry and been part of the team that contributed to the marketing and rapid EXPANSION of cPanel when it got out.

At the time we literally revolutionised the web hosting business industry because this was the first GUI created that would allow a MUCH larger crowd of people out there the much simplified capacity of hosting one's website and hence install a presence online on the web without having the much deeper technical knowledge to do so before the advent of cPanel. That was circa 2005, I was already hosting website the old way through the use of CLI and FTP etc. But cPanel had totally changed the game not only by helping to provide hosting services much faster and in an much easier manner, but also expand more rapidly by providing training and allowing clients to host themselves while being able to accomplish simple maintenance tasks that they wouldn't have been able, or wouldn't dare to do before cPanel. And even so, many have become Web Hosting Providers thanks to cPanel and have made new careers and fed their family and even became very comfortable financially, the industry just EXPLODED.

When I discovered Cloudron in 2019 I started to use it immediately, I fell off my chair I thought really that could be the new cPanel alike REVOLUTION but "in the cloud" and with a higher level of easiness to manage and privacy and security, to not just hosting websites but also an amazing array of apps that a LOT of people and businesses need, all of a single click. I'd already explored many other panels out there and solutions with Docker, Kuberneties, and Portainer etc. but man, there was nothing like Cloudron, yet, and still.

You can imagine I contacted the guys here. I've made MANY proposals, suggested several ideas and even privately revealed some of my secret plans for marketing and getting clients at scale to no end, unless the world explodes. All along with several technical suggestion for the platform to make it marketable at scale like crazy etc. I'll keep it brief, but now we're almost 2025 and here we are... They never give any kind of feedback, nor intention it's like talking to ghosts loll okay not that much but when they're seem to maybe have an open mind on something then that is all there is though, an intention until now, and never went any further... It's pretty hard to know what they think and what they really want to achieve at any level. I respect that, it's their way of doing things and they'll get the results that goes along.

Now, sadly I can't wait forever and now I'm like many of the power users here and I start to look elsewhere too, not because there's not enough apps on Cloudron, no it's been a long time there's enough, it's only that nothing goes nowhere, and in the actual state of how Cloudron is implemented for deployment there's NO WAY to create the momentum we created for cPanel in the past. And, at the moment to access and use the very popular apps emerging that are getting dust on before to get onto Cloudron, I use EasyPanel which IS, a very interesting choice as an 'alternative' to host what's not yet supported by Cloudron.

Cheers!

DON'T touch me websites /robot.txt lol

@neoplex said in Apple Safari iOS 18: WordPress Managed App Not Accessible:

Apparently it's working on a freshly deployed managed wordpress app. So it's probably something with the htaccess configuration or some plugin related problems.

Nah, that means he needs to completely ditch any iOS once and for all (kidding)

@girish said in Wireguard VPN:

@malvim thanks for the offer to help. I think for a start, we have to start modifying https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/openvpn-app to also support wireguard. MRs are welcome.

I think this is an absolutely great idea!

@firmansi While AnythingLLM is still great though?
But, yeah, Open WebUI is amazing.

@LoudLemur said in Red5 Open Source on Cloudron - video streaming:

Where did Java go wrong?

Not sure. I agree it was sounding as something great, but, imho, it's the rapid evolution (not really expected) of the JavaScript languages that have zapped Java from winning the market. Runs mostly in client's side which is much less hard on the server's resources, and does NOT require a special server as Tomcat server (@girish ?) to serve Java pages.

@privsec said in I have been referred to my server management for a wordpress plugin issue:

The functionality that isn't working is an addon integration with wpForms, calculations as well as ConvertKit.

WHAT functionality that isn't working exactly and what the error message you get?

@jagan said in AnythingLLM - AI business intelligence tool:

I am using AnythingLLM on the desktop and it blows Open WebUI away for RAG and Agents!
If we can have AnythingLLM on Cloudron, it would be a gamechanger for groups to collaborate in a workspace with shared documents.

Maybe you could explain us how AnythingLLM "blows" OW away, and is this still relevant today? OW has much, much developed since then so would be good to see.

TO start with, this is an Desktop app and, yes, there's a "cloud" version however the only "cloud version" available is to be run from Docker (which should be easier for Cloudron to start with).

And also, viewing the capacity of the Desktop app how relevant would be the need to have a "cloud version" on Cloudron for example?

@penelopa said in Red5 Open Source on Cloudron - video streaming:

Over 50% of enterprise applications are built using Java. It's particularly dominant in sectors like banking, retail, and insurance.

That is why I said it was among the OLDEST programming languages. The main target market for Cloudron is NOT 'enterprise', imho...

My concern was about RESOURCES needed to run Java on a server (which you did NOT address at all btw), and NOT if Java was still relevant or not. And it's nothing to do with the quality of your product.

I was not trying to get into a debate about Java though my concerns remain. Still relevant, to maintain the OLDests enterprise computing systems, indeed it's relevant for banking, retail, and insurance... After 30y in IT among 25y online in software industry and particularly FOSS, I reiterate, I literaly NEVER see any NEW, nor INNOVATIVE, systems or modern app built from JAVA. It's only facts, sorry I do not mean anything else.

@humptydumpty YW mate

It requires to run Composer.
On the other hand, if one's looking for such kind of automation but with much easier way to implement look for Mautic, it's powerful and bug free. One could also look into Typebot and N8N available on Cloudron which will do a lot more than Dittofeed and that can be used right now, while waiting for Dittofeed to be adopted, or not...