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@mononym said in Kan.bn - The open source alternative to Trello:

Main Page: https://kan.bn/

Cool, we also have Kanboard on Cloudron how is it comaparable?

@Bushido said in PSA regarding Mattermost v10+:

Why not Matrix?

Well, that's very good question. And, thanks you for your insights in this matter.

According to this information you share about Matrix, I would guess the answer to your question is simply because of lack of knowledge about its features at first glance.

There's a lot of apps and it's sometimes hard to remember all that one can do above knowing it's a "federated communication platform" as I would have said if you asked me what is Matrix a few minutes before I read your post. So, again thank you, because this is how we often discover great solutions we had under the nose.

That entice me to revisit Matrix as I'd never had the occasion to do so. The main important point you put in evidence is the OPENNESS of the platform which nowadays has become very important, more than never.

Nevertheless, I believe also that Cloudron has it's own way of BEING OPEN and as such, and I was going to like as well, I think we should still ADD ZULIP, as @robi suggested because it's an excellent platform. This platform would still be useful for many and, well its due a long ago on Cloudron as well.

TTYL

@imc67 said in When Cloudron updates the WordPress app, would it reinstall an enable SMTP Mailer?:

I agree with @micmc ’s option 2: default plugin for Developer version

Especially because of their promise: Most importantly, this plugin is free and will always be free.
Read why it’s 100% free (always)

YES! Indeed, the thing I'd forgot to mention yes. Not just the best but free as well yes. Looking forward ...

@james said in When Cloudron updates the WordPress app, would it reinstall an enable SMTP Mailer?:

Can this topic be marked as solved, or is assistance required?

Well, it is NOT "solved" so why mark it as such?
This is a serious concern and I wonder why it hasn't been taken more seriously. For example I've asked TWO simple questions which have remained ignored... Are we trying to find a solution for the BETTER of everyone or leave this GLITCH going on?

Please leave this live thank you.
Maybe you can help to have the following answered:
After reading all this thread, been thinking a few insights that might not be perfect but quite convenient.

1. Would it be possible to simply have the developer version installed WITHOUT any SMTP settings?
   That would still deliver the credentials.txt for SMTP just like with LAMP, that the developer would use to connect ANY preferred SMTP provider, just like it's done with LAMP?
   Personally, I've always did that myself and would believe it is something perfectly acceptable for a DEVELOPER version.

2. Maybe for a simple solution, why not simply consider FluentSMTP instead of the actual plugin?
   Why not?
   This is the ABSOLUTE best SMTP plugin for WordPress that can be found.

as @marcusquinn said I too believe there would be a better way...

@shrey said in PSA regarding Mattermost v10+:

Latest info regarding the OP:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Mattermost/s/H1p0lcoHKF

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TL;DR Seems like Mattermost self-hosted version might not be free anymore.

Any recommendations for a comparable FOSS alternative, preferably Cloudron-friendly?

Truth is their offers have become very much confusing, and well they seems to be confused too as far as the licensing they propose now as cloud AND self-hosted seems to have the exact same price as 10/m/user for the "professional" version paid for a year in advance (?).

I believe this is quite tight for a small startup that would 'eventually' scale, nonetheless one can still use it for free with a fair amount of good features (I've just installed an instance and was evaluating it actually). But--as I explained in another thread about FOSS recently--this is NOT really what we know as REAL FOSS anymore, as the free version, whether Team or Enterprise (this is confused AND confusing as well), is crippled of functions and thus imho constitute more a SHAREWARE than a FOSS as we know it.

On another note, why bother self-hosting it if their price per seat is the same as their cloud offer? (wtf? loll amazing... )

I hate Talk as it's not even comparable imho, however Rocket Chat is more likely though I haven't checked them for a few years. Will take a look back for sure.

@marcusquinn said in ActivePieces - nocode alternative to Zapier, Make, n8n etc:

@canadaduane Oh, yeah, not really in the spirit of open-source.

Interestingly, Hugging Face seems to be making a killing from all they give away for free, all from the enterprise support gigs, so it's definitely possible to be profitable with a give-away model, but you do have to have a path for Enterprise to pay more.

The FOSS market has changed so much in the last 10 years, newer developers are more in a hurry to make cash, and so they market crippled versions of their software and call it "free open source". Yeah, right...

That's not free open source software, that's called "shareware" an OLD software model of the 1990s and I do not know if any of those shareware whom have become successful with this model, there might be a few exceptions though. On the other many of the real FOSS developers have become pretty much successful and RICH as well.

Too bad, these younger dogs will lose it or have very hard time getting above with this 'attitude' especially has the software industry is becoming extremely and savagely more competitive than ever, and especially as AI has made it easier than never to build software solutions. Agents and GPTs now can replace many of these supposed to be FOSS... some will close soon...

I haven't completely investigated yet only a quick overview though apparently garage could be a quite interesting alternative that could be explored, what's interesting is it integrates with NexCloud, Peertube, Mastodon and Matrix and more stuff, let's check it out.

EDIT: Complete S3 compatibility status here.

The only affordable alternative I can see for now is not open source but pretty good, you can get 3T encrypted with S3 compatible object storage API, desktop sync app and more, for E15.00 per month @ mega.nz if that can help

@d19dotca Wow, thanks bro this is very kind of you for sharing this, I'm already using the previous ones you shared, pretty good, so we'll replace them with those new ones

@canadaduane One can run it from Easypanel

@jdaviescoates Yeah, there are many things in development, it's actually pretty heavily developed and updated several times a week, so I've no doubt it'll come to a point where it'll connect to big tech's api as well, sooner that later...

By reading descriptions here, I detected 2 major differences.

1. It seems like LibreChat CAN be used with APIs to most the big external LLMs available, which Open WebUI does NOT. It can use only OpenAI's API.
2. It seems like LibreChat must use APIs to outsider RAG system, while Open WebUI has it's own RAG system integrated.
3. Yeah, there might be a third one. Open WebUI is geared to use most of the open source LLMs available right now, it even has a huggingface pipeline, it's a great community with available plugins, functions and tasks, while LibreChat does not seem, at first glance, to be geared to use open source LLMs.

There would be a use for both and since Open WebUI is already on Cloudron, it could be cool to add LibreChat as well. On another note, there's AnythingLLM that has also been suggested. Is there any comparison made to that also amazing LLMs UI? Would be interesting to find out as well before spending time adding a new LLM UI on Cloudron, and thus keep resources to add some other much on demand apps that have been in the waiting for long.

@jdaviescoates said in Cloudron services are slow:

@nebulon

@KhalilZammeli said in Cloudron services are slow:

update of the screenshot for our wordpress service, very high CPU usage, how can we investigate these ?

Given the above and the fact WordPress uses mysql (and is very often attacked as it's so widely used, and malicious plugins are also quite common) that seem to me to be the obvious first app to investigate.

Absolutely! Most of the time a WP plugin is the culprit. A WP plugin that's been acquired through a 'friend' which is not the original developer. Extremely, dangerous these are compromised in 99% of the times.

@igaudette said in Focus on Business Apps:

I tried Directus but it's not like budibase or appsmith.. It's more a database management tool with an interface. You can't build apps. A good use case for Budibase or Appsmith was to create a frontend for n8n and start workflows via webhooks.

I cannot compare them because, I know the other 2 but I have yet to take a deeper look and it's been possible to build apps with DBMS for a long, long time I'd just say maybe it just depends on the TYPE of apps one's talking about or needs, but you definitely can builds some apps with Directus. Last summer they started a video series called 100 Tools, Apps, and Platform You Can Build With Directus.

On another note, some of the most on demand apps to be added on Cloudron right now, in the areas discussed here but aren't just yet, can be tested on EasyPanel, you can use Appssmith, Activepieces, Openblocks, BotPress (ressources hog), Flowise, Qdrant, Metabase, Nocobase, NodeJS, SupaBase, I haven't tried them all yet but I'm running an instance of Flowise, ActivePieces and Qdrant definitely exciting to say the least. Cheers!

@imc67 said in Focus on Business Apps:

@micmc said in Focus on Business Apps:

I use EasyPanel

Thanks for sharing EasyPanel!!!

My pleasure mate!

@eddowding said in Focus on Business Apps:

Huh. Easypanel is a great contender. More maintenance and no email, and way more technical looking .. but definitely very interesting.

I think EP's also is a lot of fun to use and play with as one needs a bit more technical skills and knowledge in some areas, and Cloudron is so easy to use while so powerful it's become a little bit boring to use

@igaudette said in Focus on Business Apps:

And to conclude, more no-code/low-code platforms such as Budibase or Appsmith.

I'd suggest that you take a closer and deeper at Cloudron's app rep.
There's Directus, do you know Directus, and what about NocoDB.

@igaudette said in Focus on Business Apps:

But IMHO where Cloudron is lacking the most right now is in innovative solutions that can have a BIG IMPACT on businesses. I'm making reference to AI-related platforms. AI is currently changing the world and as a business owner, we can't ignore it... We need to start integrating it into our processes ASAP. A few platforms are Langflow, Flowise, Autogen & Crew AI.

OpenWeb UI and N8N are absolutely great and POWERFUL apps that CAN be definitely be used by an Agency or freelancer to use and develop complete Automation with AI solutions with Agents, Chatbots even with RAG and Pipeline and MUCH more... And I've yet to talking about Chatwoot and Typebot so there are plenty of very good powerful amazing apps in those field, I mean enough at least to feed your hunger they may be not your preferred ones that you'd want to have right now, but on Cloudron the offer in that sector is very well filled imho.

@girish said in twenty - A Modern Open Source CRM:

We're currently in the development phase of Twenty's alpha version.

This is still there... Also, https://twenty.com/pricing says "Keep in mind we are still in alpha so version updates could be a challenge." . Best to wait.

Huh, I agree we still have to take the development stage in perspective and indeed I thought that ALPHA stage IN DEVELOPMENT was not a good idea to add to Cloudron yet. Even though the app looks great and promising.

@igaudette said in Focus on Business Apps:

With all the respect I have for the Cloudron team, I think you are not as good marketers as you are developers.

No, they are NOT marketers at all and, well this imho, not even much business oriented at all either I even wonder if they understand marketing. No offence intended I too respect the team and its work VERY much, but unfortunately in general this is the proper of the majority of developers even though they're among the bests. I wonder if only they have any idea of HOW to market Cloudron efficiently.

I can relate because I'm doing marketing and business online for almost 25 years, in the software and hosting industry and been part of the team that contributed to the marketing and rapid EXPANSION of cPanel when it got out.

At the time we literally revolutionised the web hosting business industry because this was the first GUI created that would allow a MUCH larger crowd of people out there the much simplified capacity of hosting one's website and hence install a presence online on the web without having the much deeper technical knowledge to do so before the advent of cPanel. That was circa 2005, I was already hosting website the old way through the use of CLI and FTP etc. But cPanel had totally changed the game not only by helping to provide hosting services much faster and in an much easier manner, but also expand more rapidly by providing training and allowing clients to host themselves while being able to accomplish simple maintenance tasks that they wouldn't have been able, or wouldn't dare to do before cPanel. And even so, many have become Web Hosting Providers thanks to cPanel and have made new careers and fed their family and even became very comfortable financially, the industry just EXPLODED.

When I discovered Cloudron in 2019 I started to use it immediately, I fell off my chair I thought really that could be the new cPanel alike REVOLUTION but "in the cloud" and with a higher level of easiness to manage and privacy and security, to not just hosting websites but also an amazing array of apps that a LOT of people and businesses need, all of a single click. I'd already explored many other panels out there and solutions with Docker, Kuberneties, and Portainer etc. but man, there was nothing like Cloudron, yet, and still.

You can imagine I contacted the guys here. I've made MANY proposals, suggested several ideas and even privately revealed some of my secret plans for marketing and getting clients at scale to no end, unless the world explodes. All along with several technical suggestion for the platform to make it marketable at scale like crazy etc. I'll keep it brief, but now we're almost 2025 and here we are... They never give any kind of feedback, nor intention it's like talking to ghosts loll okay not that much but when they're seem to maybe have an open mind on something then that is all there is though, an intention until now, and never went any further... It's pretty hard to know what they think and what they really want to achieve at any level. I respect that, it's their way of doing things and they'll get the results that goes along.

Now, sadly I can't wait forever and now I'm like many of the power users here and I start to look elsewhere too, not because there's not enough apps on Cloudron, no it's been a long time there's enough, it's only that nothing goes nowhere, and in the actual state of how Cloudron is implemented for deployment there's NO WAY to create the momentum we created for cPanel in the past. And, at the moment to access and use the very popular apps emerging that are getting dust on before to get onto Cloudron, I use EasyPanel which IS, a very interesting choice as an 'alternative' to host what's not yet supported by Cloudron.

Cheers!