Web enthusiast.
I love Cloudron. I love the increasing number of apps offered. But will there eventually be too many for the Cloudron team to manage? I'd hate to see Support quality, or quality in general, decrease just for quantity. If there is to be a limit, how will it be determined? By install number? By usage? By active maintenance by the git repository/project owners (not Cloudron)?
I have a VPS with 24Gb of RAM. I have 19 apps. When I look at the Graphs the RAM usage is no more than 5 GB. But when I went to add the 20th app (Monica) I received this popup warning:
This Cloudron is running low on resources. Please upgrade to a server instance with more memory. Alternately, free up resources by uninstalling unused applications.
But my Graphs show that I have 20 GB of RAM unused. Is the warning about spikes or something?
Is it taking into account the RAM requirements for each installed app which would total 29.5GB? Is this why I get this warning?
@avatar1024 Hi @avatar1024 , I just went through the install process for Jitsi Meet, thinking it would be different/better than Zoom or Kopano. However, I am not convinced it is. A few things: 1) The other users STILL need to download the Jitsi app to connect. I tried on an iPhone 6, an iPad, a Pixel phone, and Chrome on my Mac and every one needed to download the Jitsi app to connect. 1A) the Jitsi app is not intuitive. The user has to enter the full url of the chat not just the room name. 2) The install (self-installed using https://jitsi.org/news/new-tutorial-installing-jitsi-meet-on-your-own-linux-server/) leaves you with a Jitsi server that is wide open to the internet. ANYONE who finds the url can start their own chat. Switching this to a authentication approach is long and convulated and requires installing Proxody and some other apps and making another virtual host using yet another subdomain... reading https://community.jitsi.org/t/easiest-way-to-secure-jitsi-meet/21330/43 led me to think it was "easy" but I did not find it so. 3) the pixel, iPad (2018) and Mac connected fine... the iPhone 6 couldn't maintain a connection and the app crashed every time, so somehow only newer mobiles seem to work.
The only good thing I can say was the base install went fine, using a OpenVZ VPS with 2.5 GB ram. I wish I could say it is easier or better than Zoom or Kopano, but I haven't not found it so. Assuming that Kopano can allow guests to join with just a browser (and not an app like Zoom or Jitsi), and isn't wide open like Jitsi Meet is (without extra extra extra steps), then Kopano might be the dark horse of self-hosted group video chats.
@vjvanjungg Hi. No, I haven't run into this. There has been only one other instance of a problem, but I can't recall what it was, but I believe it was related to Ghost versions upgrading. FWIW, the new native Ghost install and update method was super easy and convenient when I was running it on a separate VPS, but Cloudron is just so amazing in so many ways I decided to export my Ghost blogs and import them to my Cloudron VPS and host them here.
@thetomester13 Oh man, if this goes live on Cloudron it'll make the start of the year AMAZING! Thank you all for working on it!
@nebulon I'm finding that for many of these chat apps the idea that promote the idea that "people can join so long as they have the room URL" are misleading because it isn't as simple as needing the URL... they end up needing the app too. I went and installed Jitsi Meet to see if it was true, and it wasn't. The four devices used all had to download the Jitsi Meet app. Maybe I'm the only one looking for a video chat solution that truly requires guests to have only the URL, but thus far Jitsi Meet and Zoom both need it. I am hoping that Kopano Meet doesn't, but as I've been reading about it it seems like a user needs to activate some other Turn service to allow guests from outside the network... still checking.
@fbartels Well, that's good news, if you could get this solution up to speed I think you'll get ahead of the pack... For various reasons I really don't like the "just the link is needed" promises which then require the participants to download an app to actually make it work.
@yusf At one point back in Dec 2017 I was trying to install on a VPS running ... Virtuozzo, pre-7, and I just commented out the /ext4 requirement and Cloudron installed fine, and as far as I could tell for the 4 months or so I used it, it ran fine. Later the company upgraded from Virtuozzo Container to Virtuozzo KVM, and I used a backup to restore to the new Virtuozzo KVM, and then later again to a proper /etx4. I'm not recommending anything, just sharing one experience. I did it initially just to see what would happen if I commented out the /ext4 requirement, and since it worked and installed, I just stuck with it.
@fbartels Well, that's good news, if you could get this solution up to speed I think you'll get ahead of the pack... For various reasons I really don't like the "just the link is needed" promises which then require the participants to download an app to actually make it work.
@fbartels If it allows for a true 'url only' connection for guests, then YES, I would use it and promote it in a heartbeat!!!
@nebulon I'm finding that for many of these chat apps the idea that promote the idea that "people can join so long as they have the room URL" are misleading because it isn't as simple as needing the URL... they end up needing the app too. I went and installed Jitsi Meet to see if it was true, and it wasn't. The four devices used all had to download the Jitsi Meet app. Maybe I'm the only one looking for a video chat solution that truly requires guests to have only the URL, but thus far Jitsi Meet and Zoom both need it. I am hoping that Kopano Meet doesn't, but as I've been reading about it it seems like a user needs to activate some other Turn service to allow guests from outside the network... still checking.
@avatar1024 Hi @avatar1024 , I just went through the install process for Jitsi Meet, thinking it would be different/better than Zoom or Kopano. However, I am not convinced it is. A few things: 1) The other users STILL need to download the Jitsi app to connect. I tried on an iPhone 6, an iPad, a Pixel phone, and Chrome on my Mac and every one needed to download the Jitsi app to connect. 1A) the Jitsi app is not intuitive. The user has to enter the full url of the chat not just the room name. 2) The install (self-installed using https://jitsi.org/news/new-tutorial-installing-jitsi-meet-on-your-own-linux-server/) leaves you with a Jitsi server that is wide open to the internet. ANYONE who finds the url can start their own chat. Switching this to a authentication approach is long and convulated and requires installing Proxody and some other apps and making another virtual host using yet another subdomain... reading https://community.jitsi.org/t/easiest-way-to-secure-jitsi-meet/21330/43 led me to think it was "easy" but I did not find it so. 3) the pixel, iPad (2018) and Mac connected fine... the iPhone 6 couldn't maintain a connection and the app crashed every time, so somehow only newer mobiles seem to work.
The only good thing I can say was the base install went fine, using a OpenVZ VPS with 2.5 GB ram. I wish I could say it is easier or better than Zoom or Kopano, but I haven't not found it so. Assuming that Kopano can allow guests to join with just a browser (and not an app like Zoom or Jitsi), and isn't wide open like Jitsi Meet is (without extra extra extra steps), then Kopano might be the dark horse of self-hosted group video chats.
@fbartels Thank you for responding. I think what with the lockdown and all, having a solution like Kopano and just a link for others to join, would be wonderful. I just tried to join a group using Zoom, and after clicking the link to join on my Mac (Chrome) and my two iOS devices, I was prompted to download and install the Zoom app to join, "for free". No thanks.
Seriously! I just installed Kopano to see how it works. Thanks to you all for getting that ready...but the version installed by Cloudron requires everyone to sign in with a Kopano account (there is a message "This group is protected - a user account is required to join."). With the people with whom I am thinking of using a group video solution, getting them all to make a Kopano account, not lose the details, and still then login... won't work. OR, could a tweak be made on the Cloudon Kopano app so that guests just need the link to join?
Ah... but it doesn't seem like Cloudron offers a Matrix server. So I guess I'll stop now. Too bad. Thank you for your help.
@yusf I changed only the base_url and server_name. But from what i've seen from reading things online I seem to need to connect to a matrix server too.?
{
"default_server_config": {
"m.homeserver": {
"base_url": "https://sub.domain.tld",
"server_name": "Domain"
},
"m.identity_server": {
"base_url": "https://vector.im"
}
},
"disable_custom_urls": false,
"disable_guests": false,
"disable_login_language_selector": false,
"disable_3pid_login": false,
"brand": "Riot",
"integrations_ui_url": "https://scalar.vector.im/",
"integrations_rest_url": "https://scalar.vector.im/api",
"integrations_widgets_urls": [
"https://scalar.vector.im/_matrix/integrations/v1",
"https://scalar.vector.im/api",
"https://scalar-staging.vector.im/_matrix/integrations/v1",
"https://scalar-staging.vector.im/api",
"https://scalar-staging.riot.im/scalar/api"
],
"integrations_jitsi_widget_url": "https://scalar.vector.im/api/widgets/jitsi.html",
"bug_report_endpoint_url": "https://riot.im/bugreports/submit",
"defaultCountryCode": "GB",
"showLabsSettings": false,
"features": {
"feature_pinning": "labs",
"feature_custom_status": "labs",
"feature_custom_tags": "labs",
"feature_state_counters": "labs"
},
"default_federate": true,
"default_theme": "light",
"roomDirectory": {
"servers": [
"matrix.org"
]
},
"welcomeUserId": "@riot-bot:matrix.org",
"piwik": {
"url": "https://piwik.riot.im/",
"whitelistedHSUrls": ["https://matrix.org"],
"whitelistedISUrls": ["https://vector.im", "https://matrix.org"],
"siteId": 1
},
"enable_presence_by_hs_url": {
"https://matrix.org": false,
"https://matrix-client.matrix.org": false
},
"settingDefaults": {
"breadcrumbs": true
}
}