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Hi @timconsidine You know, it never did finish downloading, or syncing, the node. It got stuck at 97%... something for which I found many other posts, and though solutions were offered, none ever worked with mine. I tried for weeks, waiting for an updated effort to produce fruit, always restarting before trying a new one, so I gave up. The whole point for me was to use it to use/accept Lightning payments for my Nostr account, but since the BTC node would never finish syncing, it was useless. I haven't tried since (that was my third attempt anyway in as many years). Oh well.

@timconsidine Super cool! What specs do you recommend to run this? I might, using the free Tier, just to see how it goes, but I'll need to spin up the right VPS.

@dualoswinwiz I find it difficult to imagine that you as an Enterprise have found and evaluated ONLY Cloudron for your Enterprise needs. Other than the obvious in-house solution route (which involves yearly salaries far exceeding the price of Cloudron), or vendor route (which also far exceed's Cloudron's pricing, but includes lock-in), please share the working, functional, productive alternative(s) you've found and evaluated, or in other words, what your plan is/will be. Thank you.

I could share a similar evaluation of how Microsoft just doesn't meet the needs of X communities (not tiwtter), but that doesn't mean it's not useful for others.

@stbg Well, you needed RustDesk almost a year ago, and it still isn't on Cloudron. Have you paid someone to spin up the appropriate VPS, install it, maintain the app AND the VPS, as well as possible email? Or else found some other option to host it? If so, could you share your solution?

But the post you referred to expressed the opinion that the pricing is not balanced, not that it isn't expensive, and that when you factor in what that amount could get you elsewhere, that particular offering wasn't ideal. So I'm assuming you found an option that wasn't cost-prohibitive, or a lower-priced competitor... do tell! Thanks.

I tried vibe coding an app to wish everyone a happy new year... but decided to just keep it simple and write it out.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!

May 2026 be a wonderfully productive and meaningful year for the Cloudron team and all the happy users!

@sfeldkamp Good luck, best wishes, it'd be a nice holiday gift for us all!

Along the same lines as @timconsidine 's input, there is already a Docker app, which can be used to deploy the app in progress, and then use his suggested mode to move it to production; or restore to the production domain from a backup of the dev app.

So, I'm not on Staff, I can only go by what the website says and what I've read on the Forums, and if this drives your business away @ekevu123 ... Sorry Cloudron team! But the website says, "Complete solution for running apps on your own server", not, "Complete solution for running your own apps on a server". Like I said, there are other options that are more openly and purposefully built for that (and suck, unless you are a top dev). Cloudron lets me run apps, which I've chosen from the ones they've prepared, on my own server. I could see that the Introduction section of https://docs.cloudron.io/ could make one think that "apps" means ANY app, but it more directly means the apps in the app store.

On the home page of Cloudron there is one text, "Users can use the dashboard to access their apps." which again could be understood to mean ANY APP, but then further down we read "We put great effort into our app packages" which makes it clear that the apps are prepped BY Cloudron. So, your assertion that "the purpose of cloudron is to let me run popular open-source apps next to my own ones without the need of an additional server."* is not correct. You could say, "the power of cloudron allows me to run popular open-source apps next to my own ones without the need of an additional server and with the help from the Forum."* but like I said, this is a community-appreciated ability generated by the goodwill of the Cloudron team. There have been many who assume that whatever they want should be allowed, squeezed in, coded for, and to a surprising degree Cloudron devs really listen and implements some of these.

You really don't need to retract anything. You suggested something, some others suggested alternatives, I suggested it wasn't needed. This is all discussion about Cloudron. If the Cloudron Team wants to add this stuff, I won't stop them... but the amount of work they already do to have gotten us all this far, and keeping things stable, just to add a fringe request which ppl think will be "simple" "logical", just some shortcuts... oh man, much much more than that is involved to keep the Cloudron system as good and secure as it is. And different apps will need different approaches for a staging level, dbs, backups, domains, proxies or not, visible or not, email or not, Now the Cloudron Team is coding solutions for these apps, something the app's developers should be doing!

*I don't get the deal about the need for an additional server. Do you mean you run a server with Cloudron on it, AND a second (or more) server with the apps that Cloudron doesn't have, or the dev apps you have, and you wish you didn't need that second server? I myself have 3 additional servers running apps that Cloudron doesn't have. Some of the apps are on the App Wishlist; I understand why they haven't prepped them. I am excited by the prospect that I could prep them (but I lack the dev chops). Such is life.

@jdaviescoates Thanks for that link. I wonder what's with the mintlify and vercel usage instead of just hosting their own software? Annyywayy, thats all from me!

Consistent and reliable connection. Just use a main mirror. Why sneak this one in? Plus I can't find which AI... too many questions make me not trust it, and I don't want to install it to find out there are in-app preferences that I need to set. Just tell us which AI options.

Dividing into technologies and providers, I think, would continue to be confusing as it suggests that the providers DO NOT offer those technologies. Cloudron gets a lot of ppl new to self-hosting using it, which is a good thing, and the fewer the questions and confusions the better. The list, currently alphabetical, works perfectly fine.

There is no look-into-it. There is only do-it.

Are these two not compatible (unless using a local AI, LLM)?

AI-Enhanced Note Retrieval
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I can't find in their Docker file, docker-compose.yml nor install.sh WHICH AI is used. That's not helpful. Then I came upon this: "Using Taobao Mirror to Install Dependencies" Yeah, no thanks!

This sounds good. I use cloudinary.com for all my media serving (in html emails, and blog posts) as various attempts at using Minio or S3 were just too clunky or required wizard-level luck. File sharing options also don't seem to work as well. Other PHP options like ResourceSpace or even Wordpress also just don't satisfy me. If this works (I've spent the morning trying various apps, unrelated, using Docker and docker compose up and it is eye-opening and frustrating how many DO NOT "just work") and could be made available on Cloudron, I'd be so happy.

So, use (and pay for) an infrastructure host to run an infrastructure host??

Naaah. If you want to use custom apps there are lots of options built just for that for you to have fun with (easypanel, runtipi, yunohost, etc.). Cloudron is for Cloudron-prepped apps; they admire the tinkerer mindset and graciously leave it open for those who can tinker to do so. I don't think they need to formalize/code-alize this option any more than they have.

I just noticed there isn't a downvote option.

@swheeler78 imapsync ftw. You can be done in under an hour.

Thinking out loud:

1. Make a temp generic email address somewhere, maybe even on the destination Cloudron.

2. imapsync the existing email from the old cloudron to the destination Cloudron/temp generic email address. (this is needed first because if you move the domain to the destination Cloudron and setup the same emails and all that, you won't be able to access the old email as it won't be running.)

3. Move the domain(s) to the destination Cloudron.

4. Make the same users on the destination Cloudron (this assumes the users are dependent on the moved domain).

5. Turn on email for this moved domain and users.

6. imapsync once more from the temp generic email to this "new account" on the destination Cloudron (said accounts which should be set up to have the same email domain and passwords to make it easier for the end user to not have to change all the passwords they have in their browser, email clients, etc.)

Now, you said this was just users and emails, so please don't bring up apps now!

Be sure to read this - https://docs.cloudron.io/guides/import-email/ as it gives helpful tips in terms of mailbox creation and email activation steps.

@humptydumpty You didn't misread. You answered the post as written.

@Jenova I can't believe you are running Cloudron with 1.01 GB RAM & 2.01 GB Swap. No wonder "nothing works". https://docs.cloudron.io/installation/ even says 2GB is required. SWAP is handy, but it doesn't replace actual RAM. If you head over to lowendtalk.com there are still deals on VPSes with nice amounts of ram, and possibly large enough disk space (you will definitely need an extra backup destination though, don't rely on the same server as Cloudron, it fills up fast). Some companies I've used are: RackNerd, Dedirock, Servarica, Chunkserve, OVH (https://www.ovhcloud.com/en-ie/vps/#config, see pic below), Hosthatch - these are just some on the first page. I don't recommend any company with a "weird" name. I know, thats subjective, but I think it works.

I myself am using an SSDNodes 48GB ram server, with over 70 apps, mostly personal use. I took the long way, long ago, of working my way up to these specs as I faced the reality that, for some software, you really just need to up the specs and pay the price to avoid the headaches. I'm running a free level of Cloudron on an older KimSufi KS-A server, with Intel ATOM N2800 CPU, 2c/4t - 1.86 GHz, and RAM 4 GB 1066 MHz, with just the Cloudron, a Wordpress site, and Mastodon (1TB disk) and that thing needs alot of careful attention to run ok.

Good luck!

@jadudm said in Garage packaging status, next steps:

the weeds

Tell us when "the weeds" are dealt with. That's what I'm getting at. You actually have items being backed up to it, really? I also got it up and running, but then could never figure out how to actually get data INTO it. Instructions, and others' suggestions (not that there are many) didn't help at all.