The Cloudron User Repository - CUR

The what?
CUR is deviated from AUR - Arch User Repository

AUR is awesome and makes it very easy for Arch Linux Users to install software from other users.

In similar fashion I would love such a feature in Cloudron.
I packaged:

• Greenlight
• Valheim Dedicated Server
• FiveM GTA V Multiplayer Server

From my 3 packaged apps only Greenlight made it into the app-store. Yet!
Why did Valheim and FiveM did not make it?
Simply put, the lack of users testing the app and reporting back.

Does Cloudron need an CUR?

Arch Linux is loved for the AUR and I am sure that CUR would also have this effect for Cloudron.
I believe many users do not test apps since they are used to the app-store and even the thought of touching the shell to install a community app with the cloudron-cli is very spooky to the targeted end-user of cloudron.
Especially on productive systems doing such thing is a no-go, since you want stable prod which does not fail you.

Now imagine a CUR.
With a simple click in the setting you can enable the CUR and can install a community app to test and give feedback.

This would decrease the barrier for end-users and @appdev(s).

This could also decrease work for maintaining apps if they stay community apps and are not suited for the general Cloudron app-store.
CUR should be excluded from Cloudron Support for obvious reasons.

I would love to get some thoughts on this.

Cheers,
Elias

(ps: I am aware of many side effects of AUR/CUR and stale unmaintained packages, but AUR still rocks )

@uiguy okay lets start

@uiguy said in How to Take Cloudron Even Further:

I appreciate that there is the package maintenance aspect, but from what I have seen about the support structure, there seem to only be 2/3 guys supporting the maintenance... how can this be enough to support an entire app ecosystem

Everyone having the APP DEV to their name is a Cloudron App Developer, so in extend a supporter of the ecosystem.
For example I am the maintenance guy of the Greenlight app.
My job circles around Greenlight and BigBlueButton as well. So its in my own best interest to provide updates which just works without any hustle since I have a lot of Greenlights running for customers and doing something that does NOT work effects my own work

Another example would be Dolibarr from @erics who is a developer of Dolibarr.

@uiguy said in How to Take Cloudron Even Further:

I am battling to see why we would rely on cloudron and the associated app store is quite limited as opposed to something like running docker direct?

Reliability and Repeatable.
I have restored multible Cloudrons from full backups, single app backups and literally never had it fail me.
Having the option to roll back to the previous version with 1-Click. What a dream!
Not to mention the package / backup policy to minimize the backup footprint.
For example my self maintained Valheim Gameserver App where we discuss about what is backup worthy.

Having the option to sync Cloudron to an external LDAP also just adds another cherry on top.
Having multible Cloudrons synced to a central LDAP. Sweet.
User und Customer management from 1 place deployed to X Servers with Groups and Permissions.

@uiguy said in How to Take Cloudron Even Further:

I guess, what I am in need of, is some education as to why I would advise we invest in cloudron when we could simply deploy docker with something like portainer and watchtower for package maintenance?

I don't mean to sound negative at all, but I simply want to understand what the value proposition is, especially if I have to compare the available packages on docker vs cloudron?

That is the best part, you don't have to!
You can make your own app, you are NOT limited.
The so called gilded cage with Cloudron is the knowledge you wish to have about the system.
Gitlab of every app https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron

There is more which I could mention, but these are just some thoughts of mine.
Check out this topic where people tell what are your favourite things features about cloudron

https://store.steampowered.com/app/892970/Valheim/

This game got recently released on steam and hit quite the trend.

https://steamdb.info/app/892970/graphs/

Having this server as an app would be nice.

And the work is already done!

https://git.cloudron.io/BrutalBirdie/valheim-gameserver-app

Needs some fine work with doc, screenshots and all.

But it's live and running at https://valheim.deadsec.net/

1. Community behind Cloudron (Devs / Forum / Community)
2. click restore / backups ! reliable backups !
3. LDAP Integration

@jlx89 I think this is what you are looking for.

https://docs.cloudron.io/backups/#import-app-backup

I would like someone to review my greenlight-app.
Just heads up this is my first app for Cloudron so I expect some issues but I will be happy to fix and learn from them.

I can understand the wish for a chat, but I agree with @nebulon and everyone else endorsing the official forum.

Having the conversation in the official forum has many benefits.

Lets just switch into the mindset of a new Cloudron user / developer.

Just as an example:

• I need the lamp app but with php 5.X.
• Why is there no php 5 lamp app?
• How can I create a custom php 5 app?

What do most people do? They will type that question into a search engine.

Chat vs. Forum

If this discussion would take place in the chat, there would be no way for a new user to find public and easy access to that information about this issue/question.
How should they know they need to go threw a chat with X people talking about all different kind of topics.
Also you lock this information behind a software like matrix, rocketchat, slack, matermost yada yada.

New users want answers which are accessible without needing to sign up for anything.

Compared to an open discussion in the forum, which will be scraped by search engines and will be publicly available with no need to sign up or do anything to access this information.

IMHO chat is nice, but when using one there has to be a policy where findings and solutions must be also published in this forum.
And enforcing such a policy or even establish such will be hard.

That's just what I have in mind about a chat.

Cheers

@doodlemania2 @micmc

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@jordanurbs said in Can we have a "Freelance Work" group on the forum please?:

Yes please! I need help installing forks of certain apps as custom cloudron apps. I have the skillset to figure it out eventually, just not the time.

Because of that, i would love to throw someone a little money to help get me started.

For future readers:

This doc explains what is needed - https://docs.cloudron.io/custom-apps/tutorial/

TL;DR

• Create an account on DockerHub - https://hub.docker.com/
• Go to your Cloudron instance https://my.domain.tld/#/settings and configure the Private Docker Registry Server: docker.io and your login details
• Install the cloudron cli on your local machine

  sudo npm install -g cloudron
  

• Get your forked app

  git clone https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/tutorial-nodejs-app nodejs-app
  

• Build the image and push it

  # enter app directory
  $ cd nodejs-app
  
  # build the app
  $ docker build -t username/nodejs-app:1.0.0 .
  
  # push the image. if the push fails, you have to 'docker login' with your username
  $ docker push username/nodejs-app:1.0.0
  

• Install

  cloudron install --image username/nodejs-app:1.0.0
  

Done.
For further information please visit the official documentation.

@d19dotca

Update. I have finished my mail server name change.

All the dns records where updated automatically, even the custom MX record on namecheap if it existed before.

The one thing that confused me second was the PTR record aka. reverse dns.

Just went to hetzner and fixed that. All working no problems.

@potemkin_ai well I would not have multiple mail servers in the first place.
I would have the top level Cloudron as the mail server and configure all other to relay to that one.
But that would still not include all users.

This is why I got a ldap server from where I sync my cloudrons.
1 master for ldap, 1 master for mail.

That is how I do it.

@privsec this would be done via the in-game console.

https://valheim.fandom.com/wiki/Console_Commands

Please read the wiki since you need to enable the in-game console first.

@privsec

What?

Sorry but what?
I now read this topic like 5 times and still do not grasp what you want or need.

Could you please elaborate what it is you are struggling with so that I can help out?

@timconsidine Grafana is for displaying values, Prometheus is for querying and storing data.
Prometheus data can be displayed in Grafana.

For example I monitor BigBlueButton via Prometheus and display these values via Grafana.

There is an open Issue and PR for this topic on the upstream project to make this configurable via config file as well.

https://github.com/prometheus/prometheus/issues/9115

I just noticed my Prometheus has no data from 2 months ago, did some research:

When to remove old data. Defaults to 15d. Overrides
https://prometheus.io/docs/prometheus/latest/storage/

This is bad for obvious reasons, I myself use Prometheus to analyze usage of BigBlueButton Servers / Clusters.
And now suddenly data is missing. Why I have not noticed this earlier I don't know.

This is configured via. starting parameters --storage.tsdb.retention.time and not via the config file.

Giving the user the option to change this would be awesome.

(ps: I will get my hands on this issue tomorrow.)

@sangroot sorry but can you at least google yourself or just click the URL with the error / warning?

But yes of course there is a way that's why this check is there in the first place.

https://check.spamhaus.org/listed/?searchterm=139.59.224.167

@sangroot and what about this other red information This server's IP 139.59.224.167 is on a blocklist.?
By SpamHaus Zen.

@cloud802 for tracking what services run I use https://crt.sh/ to see the registered sub-domains.
Example one of my domains - https://crt.sh/?q=bigbluebutton.dev

You cant see which services run on this cloudron from just the domain.

For bitwarden I use my yubikey for a second level security.

@privsec of course mods are risky since they are developed for a specific version by random people and not the main devs.

If IronGate (the Devs of Valheim) decide to change some core aspects this may brake many mods.
But I got a good feeling since the Devs are big advocates of the modding community and try to provide early information on such changes to the mod developers with dev branches for early testing.
So I assume many of the most used mods have already an update ready to go.