Which models know most about Doughnut Economics?
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Out of interest I asked a bunch of the different models available the same question:
What can you tell me about Doughnut Economics?
Of the ones I've tried so far, I'd rank them:
1st: Mixtral:latest (by far the best imho, got all the basics exactly right, but still got some stuff wrong)
2nd: llama2:13b (Significantly better, plus and longer and more detailed response. But still got some stuff completely wrong)
3rd: mistral:latest (quite good, I guess. Got the basics right, but added a load of random nonsense)
4th: llama2:70b (it took AAAAGGGGGEEEESSSSS to respond and even longer - like a really stupidly long time, over an hour - to actually type it's response - much MUCH longer than all the rest, basically simply not useable on my machine - and still not really anywhere like as good a free ChatGPT. Given how long it took I was quite surprised that it didn't do much better than it did. It's response wasn't very details and was a bit repetitive)
5th: llama2:latest (not bad, but got some of the basics wrong)
6th: gemma:latest (utter shite, got it completely and utterly wrong)The free version of ChatGPT gave a much MUCH better answer than any of them.
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Thanks for such a real life test. Aligns with my experiences - there’s a reason some things cost money (because some really smart - and usually non-evil - people work hard to provide a good service) and why I pay for ChatGPT4.
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Try Anthropic's Claude AI. The sonnet version is available gratis, while their brainiest version, Opus, is available for a fee.
For a Free Software model, try:
TheBloke nous hermes 2 solar 10 34b instruct Q6
It is very fast. Here is what it has to say:
"Doughnut economics is an economic theory that proposes a new way of thinking about economic growth and sustainability. It suggests that we should focus on meeting the basic needs of all people while staying within the planet's ecological limits. The idea is represented by a doughnut-shaped diagram, with the hole in the center representing the "social foundation" (basic human needs) and the outer ring representing the "planetary boundaries" (limits to growth).
The theory argues that traditional economic models, which focus solely on GDP growth, have failed to address social and environmental issues. Instead, doughnut economics proposes a more holistic approach that takes into account the well-being of people and the planet. This includes measures such as happiness, health, and equality alongside traditional economic indicators like GDP.
The goal of doughnut economics is to create an economy that works for everyone, not just the wealthy few. It suggests that we should focus on creating jobs that are fulfilling and sustainable, while also reducing inequality and promoting social justice. By doing so, we can create a more resilient and equitable society that meets the needs of both people and planet."
There is a similar "uncensored" version,1.0 instruct try:
nous-hermes-2-solar-10.7b.Q6_K.gguf"Doughnut Economics is an economic theory and framework proposed by Kate Raworth, an economist and environmental scientist. The concept is based on the idea that our current economic system is unsustainable and fails to meet the needs of all people while also causing harm to the planet. Doughnut economics aims to create a new economic model that focuses on meeting the basic human needs for food, water, shelter, education, health care, and more, while staying within the ecological limits of our planet.
The theory is represented by a doughnut-shaped diagram with two rings: an inner ring representing social foundations (the minimum standards necessary to ensure that no one is left behind) and an outer ring representing planetary boundaries (limits beyond which humanity cannot go without causing irreversible harm). The space between these two rings represents the "safe and just space for humanity."
Doughnut economics encourages a shift from the traditional growth-at-all-costs mentality to one that focuses on wellbeing, fairness, and resilience. This involves redefining progress, moving away from GDP as the primary measure of success, and instead focusing on indicators such as happiness, health, and equality.
The theory also emphasizes the importance of local economies, community ownership, and regenerative practices that restore depleted resources and ecosystems. It encourages a more collaborative approach to problem-solving, where people work together to create solutions that benefit both society and the environment.
In summary, Doughnut Economics is an alternative economic model that aims to balance human needs with ecological limits, promoting wellbeing for all within the means of our planet."
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@LoudLemur thanks, both good answers. I like the 2nd one slightly better.
Are you using those with OpenWebUI?
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@jdaviescoates No, using (unfortunately non-Free) LMstudio.
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@LoudLemur said in Which models know most about Doughnut Economics?:
@jdaviescoates No, using (unfortunately non-Free) LMstudio.
Ah, well I tried just using nous-hermes2:latest on OpenWebUI and it gave pretty much the same answer. Still got the answer to "what are Seven Ways to Think Like a 21st-Century Economist outlined in the book?" wrong though
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@jdaviescoates I think you tried the mixtral one already. How about one of the puffin or orca models?
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Coincidentally, I used Mistral yesterday at work (LM Studio) and I told it "tell me a joke" which it did and I responded by saying "gd one" (literally). It thought I was saying GOODBYE
Llama didn't have that issue.Everyone keeps saying AI is great for coding, but I can't find one that can write a python script that works for my CAD software. I used to be able to grab a screenshot of the 4 viewports with a single button in an outdated plugin. I've tried llama, mistral, chatgpt 4o, chatgpt 3.5, claude, starcoder (or something like that) and they all produced different
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@eddowding said in Which models know most about Doughnut Economics?:
Does it matter much if you can add docs to them and have them answer intelligently?
I tried that yesterday. It didn't help in the slightest.
