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  • vladimir.dV vladimir.d

    @murgero We'd like to give it a try, could you share the app?

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    murgero
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    @vladimir-d Give me a PM, and I can share the repo privately for now

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    ~ Professional Nerd. Freelance Programmer. ~

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      Wow, that's pretty neat!

      I had seen someone running desktop apps as docker containers with web frontends. Found this with handbrake, for example, and it works pretty well: https://github.com/jlesage/docker-handbrake

      Not sure if it's the same approach or if it can help you in any way, just thought I'd mention. I love this idea!

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      • murgeroM murgero

        @vladimir-d Give me a PM, and I can share the repo privately for now

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        @murgero Can you have a think about this; making a lite' and a loaded version?

        • Lite: I'm thinking only needs a Browser. Perhaps Waterfox.net is leaner for this too.
        • Loaded: Would have all the extra/common Apps pre-installed: Waterfox, Thunderbird, Vivaldi, Libre Office, Rocket Chat, Bitwarden, PDF Arranger, maybe some others.

        Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
        Development https://brandlight.org
        Life https://marcusquinn.com

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        • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

          @murgero Can you have a think about this; making a lite' and a loaded version?

          • Lite: I'm thinking only needs a Browser. Perhaps Waterfox.net is leaner for this too.
          • Loaded: Would have all the extra/common Apps pre-installed: Waterfox, Thunderbird, Vivaldi, Libre Office, Rocket Chat, Bitwarden, PDF Arranger, maybe some others.
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          @marcusquinn Neat idea. However, Flatpak will allow users to install those apps as they need them. I think the only version I'll be making, for now, is a lite version. Right now it has a file manager, terminal, RDP Client (for thin client like purpose), and a text editor.

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          https://urgero.org
          ~ Professional Nerd. Freelance Programmer. ~

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          • murgeroM murgero

            @marcusquinn Neat idea. However, Flatpak will allow users to install those apps as they need them. I think the only version I'll be making, for now, is a lite version. Right now it has a file manager, terminal, RDP Client (for thin client like purpose), and a text editor.

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            @murgero My world generally involves explaining the same thing to about 100 people, who then all have to do the same reliably.

            Hence, I tend towards just do it for them to save the explanations, and thereon inevitable questions that there's not always time to answer or document.

            @vladimir-d and I will help work on this though, and everything we do is for sharing back.

            Thanks for the innovation with this, it could become very useful!

            Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
            Development https://brandlight.org
            Life https://marcusquinn.com

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              Thinking out loud on if we'd be able to get ZorinOS 16 Pro Lite (based on Xfce Desktop) running with this methodology?

              • https://blog.zorin.com/2021/12/08/zorin-os-16-lite-is-here/

              Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
              Development https://brandlight.org
              Life https://marcusquinn.com

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              • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                Thinking out loud on if we'd be able to get ZorinOS 16 Pro Lite (based on Xfce Desktop) running with this methodology?

                • https://blog.zorin.com/2021/12/08/zorin-os-16-lite-is-here/
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                @marcusquinn It should be possible - but the idea here is to keep the UI as lite as possible, and Zorin, even the lite model, takes up a minimum of 2GB RAM. My current setup at the moment only needs 256 to 512

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                ~ Professional Nerd. Freelance Programmer. ~

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                • murgeroM murgero

                  @marcusquinn It should be possible - but the idea here is to keep the UI as lite as possible, and Zorin, even the lite model, takes up a minimum of 2GB RAM. My current setup at the moment only needs 256 to 512

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                  @murgero Nice - but OS RAM usage nowadays is pale in comparison to that of websites and apps, and we'll be throwing big dedicated servers at this if we can get it all doing what we need, probably budgeting 4-16GB RAM per concurrent user.

                  Plus, I really like ZorinOS, highly recommended! 🙂

                  Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                  Development https://brandlight.org
                  Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                  • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                    @murgero Nice - but OS RAM usage nowadays is pale in comparison to that of websites and apps, and we'll be throwing big dedicated servers at this if we can get it all doing what we need, probably budgeting 4-16GB RAM per concurrent user.

                    Plus, I really like ZorinOS, highly recommended! 🙂

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                    Also check out what Kasm is doing in this space - pretty slick!

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                    • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                      @murgero Nice - but OS RAM usage nowadays is pale in comparison to that of websites and apps, and we'll be throwing big dedicated servers at this if we can get it all doing what we need, probably budgeting 4-16GB RAM per concurrent user.

                      Plus, I really like ZorinOS, highly recommended! 🙂

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                      @marcusquinn You're always welcome to customize to your needs - this was made for me to use as more of a lack-of-workspace situation so I can RDP into a windows machine or simply open my email in a better webclient than my mobile client.

                      --
                      https://urgero.org
                      ~ Professional Nerd. Freelance Programmer. ~

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                      • murgeroM murgero

                        @marcusquinn You're always welcome to customize to your needs - this was made for me to use as more of a lack-of-workspace situation so I can RDP into a windows machine or simply open my email in a better webclient than my mobile client.

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                        @murgero Thanks. Just gave it a spin, and it is super fast, no problem watching YouTube videos at full framerate!

                        Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                        Development https://brandlight.org
                        Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                        • doodlemania2D doodlemania2

                          Also check out what Kasm is doing in this space - pretty slick!

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                          @doodlemania2 Looks amazing - links for reference:

                          • https://www.kasmweb.com/
                          • https://hub.docker.com/u/kasmweb

                          Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                          Development https://brandlight.org
                          Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                          • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                            @murgero Thanks. Just gave it a spin, and it is super fast, no problem watching YouTube videos at full framerate!

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                            @marcusquinn If only I could get sound working properly lol

                            Still working out a bunch of kinks like allowing users to change the resolution, sound, flatpak (for the advanced users) and so on

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                            https://urgero.org
                            ~ Professional Nerd. Freelance Programmer. ~

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                            • murgeroM murgero

                              @marcusquinn If only I could get sound working properly lol

                              Still working out a bunch of kinks like allowing users to change the resolution, sound, flatpak (for the advanced users) and so on

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                              @murgero Cool - that's always been a PITA with Linux - we'll see if we can too.

                              Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                              Development https://brandlight.org
                              Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                              • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                                @murgero Cool - that's always been a PITA with Linux - we'll see if we can too.

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                                @marcusquinn Switching the desktop to xfce4 which is a little bit heavier than fluxbox BUT will be 1000x more user friendly.

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                                https://urgero.org
                                ~ Professional Nerd. Freelance Programmer. ~

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                                • murgeroM murgero

                                  @marcusquinn Switching the desktop to xfce4 which is a little bit heavier than fluxbox BUT will be 1000x more user friendly.

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                                  @murgero Nice, agreed. ZorinOS Lite is based on that (XFCE 4.16) too if you wanna try?

                                  That's what we use for all recommissioned laptops and desktops now: https://blog.zorin.com/2021/12/08/zorin-os-16-lite-is-here/

                                  Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                                  Development https://brandlight.org
                                  Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                                  • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                                    @doodlemania2 Looks amazing - links for reference:

                                    • https://www.kasmweb.com/
                                    • https://hub.docker.com/u/kasmweb
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                                    @marcusquinn : Kasm looks amazing but very interested in how @murgero's package will be

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                                    • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                                      @murgero Nice, agreed. ZorinOS Lite is based on that (XFCE 4.16) too if you wanna try?

                                      That's what we use for all recommissioned laptops and desktops now: https://blog.zorin.com/2021/12/08/zorin-os-16-lite-is-here/

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                                      #25

                                      @marcusquinn Gonna forego Flatpak since it is just broken with the read-only file system. Instead, users can use appimage (ubuntu native!) to get their apps beyond the default installed ones. No root or whatever needed for those. I am going to test this later and see if it works as expected and if so, then the package will be in a state where anyone can test and get back to me with suggestions or questions.

                                      Nevermind - appimage requires fuse, which we can't run in docker as-is with cloudron.

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                                      https://urgero.org
                                      ~ Professional Nerd. Freelance Programmer. ~

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                                      • timconsidineT timconsidine

                                        @marcusquinn : Kasm looks amazing but very interested in how @murgero's package will be

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                                        @timconsidine I actually think that wth a bit more work and collective minds, everything that Kasm offers could be reproduced here for Cloudron. I'm very excited for this concept!

                                        Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                                        Development https://brandlight.org
                                        Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                                        • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                                          @timconsidine I actually think that wth a bit more work and collective minds, everything that Kasm offers could be reproduced here for Cloudron. I'm very excited for this concept!

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                                          @marcusquinn Sadly Kasm wont work on cloudron as-is. Cloudron restricts access to the containers file-system to read-only mode. Kasm will require that to be removed + will also need docker running in privileged mode to get stuff like sound, app installs, etc working.

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                                          https://urgero.org
                                          ~ Professional Nerd. Freelance Programmer. ~

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