nomon: server resources monitoring & alerting for Cloudron

[potemkin_ai]

@nebulon right, but that means that I have to:

• do a custom build of cloudron, without the dashboard
• develop and keep extending the dashboard
• maintain & support things
• create my own repository
• gain users

If we speak that Cloudron become a platform, then, I believe, cloudron shall stop developing apps and create everything for the developers to package the apps for you. Few examples could be provided for free, but your main income and way of doing things shall be shifted to get money from appstore and/or licensing your platform to other customers.

I can't see that happening for Cloudron, as nobody cares about the platform and getting proper very careful apps selection and packaging is what, most probably, is driving customers and the cash flow. And if I would be you I wouldn't dare to 'fix' what doesn't seem to be broken.

At the same time, this model could be limiting - you have an ever growing backlog of the apps to be packaged and that is a potential lost business opportunity here (in a good way; business as a service to the people where profit is a way to keep things sustainable and getting better).

I'm not saying I know how to do right - even though it's most probably the way it sound, but I feel the pain and I believe that there must be a good solution, hence keep looking.

My personal stake is that the best way to open the gate - it's to let users to add third party appstores that will act and behave like a first class citizens: they will appear on the appstore dashboard, updates will be rolling, etc.
The only clash I can see there - it's a possibility of the apps or services overlap, but I can see a reasonable agreements that could serve well for both parties.

[marcusquinn]

@potemkin_ai To be fair, if anyone has packaged an app to Cloudron guidelines, including unit tests, then submission for inclusion in the App Store is fairly trivial.

The bottleneck isn't the allowance or possibility, but the reliance on Cloudron devs to quality control and add unit tests.

Take care of that, as you would likely also want to with your alternative ideas exploration, and you'd have an app App Store ready, already.

The negotiation is only needed when considering changing the platform itself, which is likely always better know by its creators, so pretty good to have their frequent engagement in the debates.

[potemkin_ai]

@marcusquinn it's not packaging, it's support that matters. And without proper incentives, I don't believe there will be anyone willing to get into that.

[foliovision]

Fascinating conversation. We are looking for Cloudron monitoring @potemkin_ai ourselves.

Ideally you would keep it simple and self-contained enough that it doesn't need access to third-party app stores. In terms of the notifications, it would make sense to build a very simple API which would allow the external services (Rocket.Chat, Mattermost) to pick up nomon's notifications. You could include a sandbox for push notifications along with templates for the major services, and guidance on how to use it.

KIS and focused would be my choice for such an app.

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