Hi,

I wanted to give you a feedback about the use of Cloudron we made in our small collective.

First of all we were very pleased to find a solution which maintain CodiMD, we knew YunoHost but only support Etherpad which is a very good solution but limited for markdown writer like us.

But we were very surprised to see the limitations of only 5 users and only 2 apps ! Sorry if I missed something, is it well a self-hosted solution ?

We are a small collective of volunteer videos creator without any founds, renting 2 servers (one for cloudron and an other one for our hosted videos) is already an heavy cost, we didn't imagine that the subscription would be required to overpass this limitation even when we don't pass through the store to install an app. 15$ is good when it comes to host anything, are the backups hosted on your servers ?

We actually have more than 10 users (it could be a little bit more in the future) and we use cloudron especially for the LDAP and for somes applications which where not proposed by YunoHost like CodiMD.

Also some apps required 2 apps (server and client) to works, but in any case if nothing is hosted on your server I don't understand this limitation for non-business usage.

Is there a way to overpass these limitations ?

Also, I wonder how some apps can have a MIT licence, though the source app is a GNU GPL or AGPL licence, is really it legal ?

Maybe, an unlimited solution really self-hosted without the store but with manual installation in command lines could be a solution ?

Sorry if my questions may be too frank, but we feel like stuck with Cloudron and forced to pay lots more a service unreachable and that we already pay by self-hosting.

@will thanks for taking time to explain your vision of open source

I understand all you said, but I think you missed all the point, it's a question of political here.
You say I don't understand open source... no I perfectly understand it, maybe I asked the wrong question, and packaging an app with another licence may be legal as Amazon, Google or Microsoft does.

It's my opinion but doing open source with the same goals and same models than any GAFAM is not very the mind / ethic of "libre" licences like GPL / AGPL.

I won't blame you any longer for doing it, just do it if you think it's good for you. But consider there is more than developers and people class which would like to afford the privilege of having time of learning dev ops or admin system.

I'm also a developer, a woman (yes it's very important to precise it if you know of it's hard for woman or every oppressed minority to give their opinion in developers communities), and I know perfectly how time and energy are precious, but I also know that all the world does not turn around a buisiness, that's also why open source / libre softwares exist.

Now, if I posted here it was in hope this point was not missed, forcing people to pay something open source and not consider where they're from and their goal is a non-productive way.

The communication of Cloudron is unclear and can be a kind of trap.

Again, if it was for a buisness I would have paid 15$ per month for sure to support developers, but for a collective unpaid and volunteer cause, nope it's kind of abusive.

@will thanks for taking time to explain your vision of open source

I understand all you said, but I think you missed all the point, it's a question of political here.
You say I don't understand open source... no I perfectly understand it, maybe I asked the wrong question, and packaging an app with another licence may be legal as Amazon, Google or Microsoft does.

It's my opinion but doing open source with the same goals and same models than any GAFAM is not very the mind / ethic of "libre" licences like GPL / AGPL.

I won't blame you any longer for doing it, just do it if you think it's good for you. But consider there is more than developers and people class which would like to afford the privilege of having time of learning dev ops or admin system.

I'm also a developer, a woman (yes it's very important to precise it if you know of it's hard for woman or every oppressed minority to give their opinion in developers communities), and I know perfectly how time and energy are precious, but I also know that all the world does not turn around a buisiness, that's also why open source / libre softwares exist.

Now, if I posted here it was in hope this point was not missed, forcing people to pay something open source and not consider where they're from and their goal is a non-productive way.

The communication of Cloudron is unclear and can be a kind of trap.

Again, if it was for a buisness I would have paid 15$ per month for sure to support developers, but for a collective unpaid and volunteer cause, nope it's kind of abusive.

Hi,

I wanted to give you a feedback about the use of Cloudron we made in our small collective.

First of all we were very pleased to find a solution which maintain CodiMD, we knew YunoHost but only support Etherpad which is a very good solution but limited for markdown writer like us.

But we were very surprised to see the limitations of only 5 users and only 2 apps ! Sorry if I missed something, is it well a self-hosted solution ?

We are a small collective of volunteer videos creator without any founds, renting 2 servers (one for cloudron and an other one for our hosted videos) is already an heavy cost, we didn't imagine that the subscription would be required to overpass this limitation even when we don't pass through the store to install an app. 15$ is good when it comes to host anything, are the backups hosted on your servers ?

We actually have more than 10 users (it could be a little bit more in the future) and we use cloudron especially for the LDAP and for somes applications which where not proposed by YunoHost like CodiMD.

Also some apps required 2 apps (server and client) to works, but in any case if nothing is hosted on your server I don't understand this limitation for non-business usage.

Is there a way to overpass these limitations ?

Also, I wonder how some apps can have a MIT licence, though the source app is a GNU GPL or AGPL licence, is really it legal ?

Maybe, an unlimited solution really self-hosted without the store but with manual installation in command lines could be a solution ?

Sorry if my questions may be too frank, but we feel like stuck with Cloudron and forced to pay lots more a service unreachable and that we already pay by self-hosting.