What are your numbers on Cloudron instances?
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The moment my “Frühjahrsputz” was over, I realized that I have no idea if our instances are “normal”.
Our Cloudron mail server instance has a total of 40 domains. Each domain is configured to receive incoming emails. We have 23 users with a total of 40 mailboxes and a ton of aliases and catchalls.
It's a VPS with 4 CPU & 8 GB RAM.
One of our so-called “web instances” has a total of 32 apps, 39 domains (I have to check which domain I have forgotten), outbound only mail on a VPS with 4 CPU & 8 GB RAM.
What I learned: the Cloudron Ui is not optimized for so many domains and email settings. E.g. the email settings page need time to show the statuses. Dropdowns are not the best way to choose from. And the Catch-all dropdown is very frustrating.
But apart from this experience - what are your numbers on your Cloudron instances with domains or email settings?
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I am currently switching to a Netcup Root Server, assuming everything goes well in the process. This would mean 12 CPU, 32 GB RAM. I have 27 apps installed, but a handful of them are quite ressource-heavy.
Before that, I was with Vultr and had 6 CPU and 16 GB RAM. This also includes an email server with several users. -
It's just me on my SSDNodes server (vCPUs - 12, Memory - 48 GB, Disk - 720 GB), with 63 apps... I'm basically running my entire digital life off of this server + Cloudron, using mail for only my.example.com domain (and MXRoute for ALL the rest), with just 23 domains. Never had a problem with email.
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It's just me on my SSDNodes server (vCPUs - 12, Memory - 48 GB, Disk - 720 GB), with 63 apps... I'm basically running my entire digital life off of this server + Cloudron, using mail for only my.example.com domain (and MXRoute for ALL the rest), with just 23 domains. Never had a problem with email.
@scooke said in What are your numbers on Cloudron instances?:
It's just me on my SSDNodes server (vCPUs - 12, Memory - 48 GB, Disk - 720 GB), with 63 apps... I'm basically running my entire digital life off of this server + Cloudron, using mail for only my.example.com domain (and MXRoute for ALL the rest), with just 23 domains. Never had a problem with email.
Not just you @scooke
- I am yet to find a better price vs performance ratio / admin ease that what SSDNodes offers.
The regularly run attractive offers.Nothing but good things to say service-wise. The only sides I am struggling with more and more, but this is highly personal, are:
- that this is a US-based company (but offers EU-based locations amongst others)
- that I am pretty sure they do nothing particularly notable sustainability-wise
Granted however that I have not looked into this in depth for a while though.
Might soon be time to review with what is on here https://european-alternatives.eu/category/vps-virtual-private-server-hosters for example. -
Agreed with everyone on SSDNodes. They have a great value proposition for committed servers. The best value is when you are willing to pay 3 years in advance. For a Cloudron server this make perfect sense. @scooke how long have you used SSDNodes? I've been using them for the past 4 months with zero issues. In the future I am thinking about migrating some large production loads but was a little hesitant as they were less known (at least to us). @luckow We are running 45 mailboxes across 23 domains, but we have a fairly large server (SSDNodes). We are doing this with SoGo and ActiveSync which is a resource hog. But one thing I did was set up another Cloudron and adding subdomains for several of our larger customer domains and hosting email archives for them. The benefit is several-fold: smaller current email boxes = faster search. Smaller current email server = less storage required for backups. Archived emails require less frequent backups and less retention since the data does not change.
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Agreed with everyone on SSDNodes. They have a great value proposition for committed servers. The best value is when you are willing to pay 3 years in advance. For a Cloudron server this make perfect sense. @scooke how long have you used SSDNodes? I've been using them for the past 4 months with zero issues. In the future I am thinking about migrating some large production loads but was a little hesitant as they were less known (at least to us). @luckow We are running 45 mailboxes across 23 domains, but we have a fairly large server (SSDNodes). We are doing this with SoGo and ActiveSync which is a resource hog. But one thing I did was set up another Cloudron and adding subdomains for several of our larger customer domains and hosting email archives for them. The benefit is several-fold: smaller current email boxes = faster search. Smaller current email server = less storage required for backups. Archived emails require less frequent backups and less retention since the data does not change.
@crazybrad said in What are your numbers on Cloudron instances?:
how long have you used SSDNodes?
I've been with them since June 2017, believe it or not. I've been using Cloudron since 2016, so the need for alot of ram really hit home and I started looking for such VPSes. I don't recall where I heard of ssdnodes; very possible it was from lowendtalk.
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@scooke That is really great to hear. Have you seen any significant changes in their approach to cloud hosting over the past 7 years?
@crazybrad I can't think of anything specifically, other than they offer whole-server imaging backup, snapshots, I can't remember the name, and at least twice when something borked with Cloudron in the earlier days and I couldn't fix it and my backups were wonky for some reason and I didn't want to lose ALL the data, those ssdnodes snapshots saved the day. They were daily, so I just restored my entire server, Cloudron and all, to the previous day. Phew. They've been good with letting me cancel a service and putting the leftover towards the next upgrade. I started with an 8GB server I think, and slowly increased until I'm on the 48Gber. Never had any slowdowns. Once they had to change the IP, but they gave lots of advance notice, and I had no downtime.
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The moment my “Frühjahrsputz” was over, I realized that I have no idea if our instances are “normal”.
Our Cloudron mail server instance has a total of 40 domains. Each domain is configured to receive incoming emails. We have 23 users with a total of 40 mailboxes and a ton of aliases and catchalls.
It's a VPS with 4 CPU & 8 GB RAM.
One of our so-called “web instances” has a total of 32 apps, 39 domains (I have to check which domain I have forgotten), outbound only mail on a VPS with 4 CPU & 8 GB RAM.
What I learned: the Cloudron Ui is not optimized for so many domains and email settings. E.g. the email settings page need time to show the statuses. Dropdowns are not the best way to choose from. And the Catch-all dropdown is very frustrating.
But apart from this experience - what are your numbers on your Cloudron instances with domains or email settings?
@luckow One Cloudron Instance running at Hetzner VPS (8GB RAM, 80GB Disk, 4 Cores), 10 Domains, 15 Apps running. Doing Cloudron Backups twice a day and VPS Backup once a day. Before Updating Cloudron to new versions, and sometimes before NextCloud Updates, I perform a VPS Snapshot in addition.
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@scooke Appreciate the history you shared. I got concerned after reading about some throttling and reduced performance (especially on NVMe which seems to be a shared resource). But I trust your experience more than some random person(s) on Reddit. Did they ever explain why the IP address change? I would hate to have to update DNS for 50 domains. @Kubernetes Do you perform test restores using either your Cloudron or VPS backup? I just used a backup for migration to a new server, but now I have a lot more content to protect. Been thinking that a restore test should be performed at regular intervals.
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@scooke Appreciate the history you shared. I got concerned after reading about some throttling and reduced performance (especially on NVMe which seems to be a shared resource). But I trust your experience more than some random person(s) on Reddit. Did they ever explain why the IP address change? I would hate to have to update DNS for 50 domains. @Kubernetes Do you perform test restores using either your Cloudron or VPS backup? I just used a backup for migration to a new server, but now I have a lot more content to protect. Been thinking that a restore test should be performed at regular intervals.
@crazybrad yes, I did tests. Unfortunately I was never able to restore a Cloudron App Backup because of using encyription. Somehow I was not able to decrypt the backups - even if I noted the encryption key in a password database. In the meantime I disabled the encryption, but didn't test a restore so far.
Restoring Snapshots/Backups from VPS is totally easy. Tests to second VPS always worked flawlessly and I used VPS snapshots two times for migrating between hosting zones (Nürnberg -> Helsinki -> Falkenstein) without problems.
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@Kubernetes Thanks for sharing your experiences. I can see definite advantages of picking a cloud vendor and sticking with them for ease of migrating snapshots and VPS backups. We tend to do that, but then cloud vendors are always introducing surprises (price increases, bandwidth limits, etc) that make you question whether your current provider is worth keeping. So far I haven't found a way to take a snapshot from Vendor A and restore it to Vendor B, but perhaps it is available from a 3rd party.
