Changes to WordPress apps
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We've just switch https://healthshop.net to run on Cloudron. 6,000 products, multilingual, multi-everything — and I know we still have a bunch more optimisations to go.
If ever anyone says WP & Woo can't scale, send them my way
Looking forward to getting into more Cloudron App optimisations.
Honestly, must have tried every other WP hosting on the planet by now - and none of them are truly optimised or even transparent about what they consider optimisation beyond their caching plugin masquerades.
Performance is about uncached code optimisation, and I still can't imagine any of the other so-called enterprise ecommerce platforms being able to do what we can with good old WP and it's community.
@marcusquinn said in Changes to WordPress apps:
If ever anyone says WP & Woo can't scale, send them my way
I've been talking about the viability of Woo and Scaling for awhile so I'm excited to see what you've done (at a higher level than your normal communication about it) when you announce it fully.
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@girish No no, not an install time flag. You can convert at any time from single-site to multisite. But there's no converting back once you're on multisite.
I only mentioned that you might want to do it during install time because then you wouldn't have to add an option in
dashboardasking a user if they'd like to "Convert to Multisite (This Cannot Be Undone)" kinda thing. But doing it at install time, or after install time - just as easy.Because I had SFTP access on the Developer Edition, I was able to just enable it manually. But that does come with caveats - like you cannot change the URL in Cloudron if you're a multisite (it's stores the domain in a different place in the DB with multisite, and also in
wp-config.php). That, and the WP-CRON that would need multisite support.The only think beyond those two things (which I could code easily to integrate with Cloudron) is real domain aliases (not redirections) would be needed. Which, after looking into reverseproxy.js, shouldn't be hard. I just am horrible at editing
dashboardcode every time I try.
@Lonk said in Changes to WordPress apps:
The only think beyond those two things (which I could code easily to integrate with Cloudron) is real domain aliases (not redirections) would be needed.
I'd love to see WordPress Multisite on Cloudron.
As I understand it (one of) the problem(s) is that I don't think it's currently possible to have multiple domains pointing to the same Cloudron app, and imho we'd need that to work for Multisite to be useful (so that all the subsites within the multisite can be mapped to their own TLD).
I guess that is what you mean by real domain aliases?
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@marcusquinn said in Changes to WordPress apps:
If ever anyone says WP & Woo can't scale, send them my way
I've been talking about the viability of Woo and Scaling for awhile so I'm excited to see what you've done (at a higher level than your normal communication about it) when you announce it fully.
️@Lonk Cool - I've never made any inroads in the WP & Woo community TBH, found it quite cliquey and in self-denial with many woocommerc.com plugins we had to fork and fix in desperation from their lack of quality-control.
I've got a fair few core improvement recommendations that fell on deaf ears too - but I'm certain we could make it the operating-system for any organisation.
I guess what we're doing is kinda like all the Cloudron Apps but as WP plugins. It is opinionated and anti-microservices though, so not for everyone - yet.
If you have any contacts that want to get serious about this kind of ambition, I'm always available to talk with fellows that aren't afraid to shoot for the moon.
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@Lonk said in Changes to WordPress apps:
The only think beyond those two things (which I could code easily to integrate with Cloudron) is real domain aliases (not redirections) would be needed.
I'd love to see WordPress Multisite on Cloudron.
As I understand it (one of) the problem(s) is that I don't think it's currently possible to have multiple domains pointing to the same Cloudron app, and imho we'd need that to work for Multisite to be useful (so that all the subsites within the multisite can be mapped to their own TLD).
I guess that is what you mean by real domain aliases?
@jdaviescoates said in Changes to WordPress apps:
As I understand it (one of) the problem(s) is that I don't think it's currently possible to have multiple domains pointing to the same Cloudron app, and imho we'd need that to work for Multisite to be useful (so that all the subsites within the multisite can be mapped to their own TLD).
I guess that is what you mean by real domain aliases?Yes, a real domain alias so that Wordpress sees it and routes it accordingly. It's a built in feature of Wordpress in Multisite. It's unbelievably useful.
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@Lonk said in Changes to WordPress apps:
The only think beyond those two things (which I could code easily to integrate with Cloudron) is real domain aliases (not redirections) would be needed.
I'd love to see WordPress Multisite on Cloudron.
As I understand it (one of) the problem(s) is that I don't think it's currently possible to have multiple domains pointing to the same Cloudron app, and imho we'd need that to work for Multisite to be useful (so that all the subsites within the multisite can be mapped to their own TLD).
I guess that is what you mean by real domain aliases?
@jdaviescoates In the meantime, people can reproduce most of what multi-site does with these plugins for those wanting each site to stay contained and portable for resources:
I do intend to have another look at multi-site at some point as a way of quickly firing up demo instances, so I agree on the need, we just wanted to solve the same things in a more segregated way to keep options open.
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@jdaviescoates In the meantime, people can reproduce most of what multi-site does with these plugins for those wanting each site to stay contained and portable for resources:
I do intend to have another look at multi-site at some point as a way of quickly firing up demo instances, so I agree on the need, we just wanted to solve the same things in a more segregated way to keep options open.
@marcusquinn And that's the one area you and I diverge in which, I think, is good. You keep me thinking of the benefits of single site and I'll keep you thinking of the benefits of multisite.
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For interest, these aliases are all the same Cloudron app:
I'll ask the team for more details while we wait for an official option.
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I have pushed the fixes for the WordPress (Developer) app. See https://forum.cloudron.io/post/16775 . It now has LDAP support as well. New doc pages is at https://docs.cloudron.io/apps/wordpress-developer/
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I have pushed the fixes for the WordPress (Developer) app. See https://forum.cloudron.io/post/16775 . It now has LDAP support as well. New doc pages is at https://docs.cloudron.io/apps/wordpress-developer/
@girish said in Changes to WordPress apps:
I have pushed the fixes for the WordPress (Developer) app. See https://forum.cloudron.io/post/16775 . It now has LDAP support as well. New doc pages is at https://docs.cloudron.io/apps/wordpress-developer/
Can you activate LDAP post-installation or would I have to re-install? I broke Cloudron rn so I can't test an app to try and see if it's in the configuration settings.
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@girish said in Changes to WordPress apps:
I have pushed the fixes for the WordPress (Developer) app. See https://forum.cloudron.io/post/16775 . It now has LDAP support as well. New doc pages is at https://docs.cloudron.io/apps/wordpress-developer/
Can you activate LDAP post-installation or would I have to re-install? I broke Cloudron rn so I can't test an app to try and see if it's in the configuration settings.
@Lonk said in Changes to WordPress apps:
Can you activate LDAP post-installation or would I have to re-install?
Exactly what I'm thinking... I'll go and see...
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@Lonk said in Changes to WordPress apps:
Can you activate LDAP post-installation or would I have to re-install?
Exactly what I'm thinking... I'll go and see...
@jdaviescoates I’ve updated one of my wp apps, installed the ldap plugin used the managed ldap settings and (just to be sure) after a restart of the app ldap works!
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@jdaviescoates I’ve updated one of my wp apps, installed the ldap plugin used the managed ldap settings and (just to be sure) after a restart of the app ldap works!
@imc67 said in Changes to WordPress apps:
installed the ldap plugin used the managed ldap settings
Aha, I also just updated and didn't see any LDAP support, but this is the step I'm missing!
@girish be nice if updating Unmanaged to the new Developer version auto-magically installed the LDAP plugin and settings!
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@jdaviescoates I’ve updated one of my wp apps, installed the ldap plugin used the managed ldap settings and (just to be sure) after a restart of the app ldap works!
@imc67 said in Changes to WordPress apps:
@jdaviescoates I’ve updated one of my wp apps, installed the ldap plugin used the managed ldap settings and (just to be sure) after a restart of the app ldap works!
When you go to Access Control in your updated app are you now seeing this? (as per how it looks if you install and choose LDAP on install)
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@imc67 said in Changes to WordPress apps:
installed the ldap plugin used the managed ldap settings
Aha, I also just updated and didn't see any LDAP support, but this is the step I'm missing!
@girish be nice if updating Unmanaged to the new Developer version auto-magically installed the LDAP plugin and settings!
@jdaviescoates said in Changes to WordPress apps:
@imc67 said in Changes to WordPress apps:
installed the ldap plugin used the managed ldap settings
Aha, I also just updated and didn't see any LDAP support, but this is the step I'm missing!
@girish be nice if updating Unmanaged to the new Developer version auto-magically installed the LDAP plugin and settings!
I would have missed that necessary step myself. The only reason I didn't check on my own install is because @girish made a "hot fix" for me for my development and I had a VM issue so I re-installed and was refusing to go through the setup because I was afraid cloudron-machine wouldn't work after setup. But @girish confirmed today it does work after setup so I'm going to have fun testing out this LDAP integration with WP and figure out how
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@jdaviescoates What @imc67 did should not be possible, so I am not sure how it works for him. The LDAP will only be available for new installations since this flag is chosen at install time and there is no way to change it post installation without tinkering with the database. Might be easier to export/import into a new install. Just backup current app, make a new LDAP based install and import that backup into new app.
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@jdaviescoates What @imc67 did should not be possible, so I am not sure how it works for him. The LDAP will only be available for new installations since this flag is chosen at install time and there is no way to change it post installation without tinkering with the database. Might be easier to export/import into a new install. Just backup current app, make a new LDAP based install and import that backup into new app.
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@jdaviescoates What @imc67 did should not be possible, so I am not sure how it works for him. The LDAP will only be available for new installations since this flag is chosen at install time and there is no way to change it post installation without tinkering with the database. Might be easier to export/import into a new install. Just backup current app, make a new LDAP based install and import that backup into new app.
@girish said in Changes to WordPress apps:
@jdaviescoates What @imc67 did should not be possible, so I am not sure how it works for him. The LDAP will only be available for new installations since this flag is chosen at install time and there is no way to change it post installation without tinkering with the database. Might be easier to export/import into a new install. Just backup current app, make a new LDAP based install and import that backup into new app.
Oh, gotcha, it can only be set at install time. So, do you think your suggestion to "set the flag without DB voodoo" (which I'm gonna do because I can't get the cloudron app db to work with remote sql, I've tried a lot). Do you think that method will clash with multisite database URL location changes (Wordpress storing the URL in a different place than single site)?
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@imc67 Ah, "installed the ldap plugin used the managed ldap settings". I missed this. So you put the credentials of managed LDAP app into this existing unmanaged app? Note that this will stop working when the managed app goes away!
