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CWTCH - Surveilance proof messaging

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      subtlecourage
      wrote on last edited by subtlecourage
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      Came across this recently, and love to see this on cloudron!

      Site address: https://cwtch.im/
      Serve install/set up: https://git.openprivacy.ca/cwtch.im/server

      What is Cwtch?

      Cwtch (/kʊtʃ/ - a Welsh word roughly translating to “a hug that creates a safe place”) is a decentralized, privacy-preserving, multi-party messaging protocol that can be used to build metadata resistant applications.

      Decentralized and Open: There is no “Cwtch service” or “Cwtch network”. Participants in Cwtch can host their own safe spaces, or lend their infrastructure to others seeking a safe space. The Cwtch protocol is open, and anyone is free to build bots, services and user interfaces and integrate and interact with Cwtch.

      Privacy Preserving: All communication in Cwtch is end-to-end encrypted and takes place over Tor v3 onion services.

      Metadata Resistant: Cwtch has been designed such that no information is exchanged or available to anyone without their explicit consent, including on-the-wire messages and protocol metadata.

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        Came across this recently, and love to see this on cloudron!

        Site address: https://cwtch.im/
        Serve install/set up: https://git.openprivacy.ca/cwtch.im/server

        What is Cwtch?

        Cwtch (/kʊtʃ/ - a Welsh word roughly translating to “a hug that creates a safe place”) is a decentralized, privacy-preserving, multi-party messaging protocol that can be used to build metadata resistant applications.

        Decentralized and Open: There is no “Cwtch service” or “Cwtch network”. Participants in Cwtch can host their own safe spaces, or lend their infrastructure to others seeking a safe space. The Cwtch protocol is open, and anyone is free to build bots, services and user interfaces and integrate and interact with Cwtch.

        Privacy Preserving: All communication in Cwtch is end-to-end encrypted and takes place over Tor v3 onion services.

        Metadata Resistant: Cwtch has been designed such that no information is exchanged or available to anyone without their explicit consent, including on-the-wire messages and protocol metadata.

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        timconsidine
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        @subtlecourage very nice

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          @subtlecourage very nice

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          @timconsidine
          Thank you!

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            @timconsidine
            Thank you!

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            timconsidine
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            @subtlecourage Looking forward to trying it on my GrapheneOS de-googled phone.

            I've been thinking for some time that all the discussion in privacy forums etc and in the public arena about E2E end-to-end encryption is just missing the point.

            Seems a fundamental principle of privacy is that you never entrust responsibility for it to a 3rd party. Encrypt locally, decrypt on receiving end based on key. PGP had it right. I quite like the https://www.oversec.io/ approach (although it is not fluid, the price you pay I guess).

            Why are we getting kickers-in-twist about E2E on different providers when it's really a personal responsibility.

            I guess it comes down to the generally low level of tech knowledge in the wider public.

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              @subtlecourage Looking forward to trying it on my GrapheneOS de-googled phone.

              I've been thinking for some time that all the discussion in privacy forums etc and in the public arena about E2E end-to-end encryption is just missing the point.

              Seems a fundamental principle of privacy is that you never entrust responsibility for it to a 3rd party. Encrypt locally, decrypt on receiving end based on key. PGP had it right. I quite like the https://www.oversec.io/ approach (although it is not fluid, the price you pay I guess).

              Why are we getting kickers-in-twist about E2E on different providers when it's really a personal responsibility.

              I guess it comes down to the generally low level of tech knowledge in the wider public.

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              subtlecourage
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              @timconsidine I fully agree with

              I guess it comes down to the generally low level of tech knowledge in the wider public.

              When people hear the word "Encryption" they misunderstand exactly what that means.

              E2EE is a fundamental human right, regardless if it can be exploited by criminals.

              Having a trustless ecosystem that allows E2EE comms. is vital for the future.

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                Reminds me of Confidant Mail

                Conscious tech

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                  Reminds me of Confidant Mail

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                  subtlecourage
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                  @robi said in CWTCH - Surveilance proof messaging:

                  Confidant Mail

                  Oh thats neat!
                  https://www.confidantmail.org/docs/

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                    @timconsidine I fully agree with

                    I guess it comes down to the generally low level of tech knowledge in the wider public.

                    When people hear the word "Encryption" they misunderstand exactly what that means.

                    E2EE is a fundamental human right, regardless if it can be exploited by criminals.

                    Having a trustless ecosystem that allows E2EE comms. is vital for the future.

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                    timconsidine
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                    @subtlecourage 👍

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                      @robi said in CWTCH - Surveilance proof messaging:

                      Confidant Mail

                      Oh thats neat!
                      https://www.confidantmail.org/docs/

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                      timconsidine
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                      @subtlecourage indeed
                      but needs updating
                      not sure how live the project is

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                        @subtlecourage indeed
                        but needs updating
                        not sure how live the project is

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                        @timconsidine still works. I was the reason for the last update after a conversation with the inventor. (tied to the version of PGP/GPG and TLS)

                        Conscious tech

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