PSA regarding Mattermost v10+

[shrey]

Re: Mattermost - Package Updates v10.0

In case anyone missed it, v10+ includes some 'significant breaking changes'. An ongoing discussion:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Mattermost/s/tFxPzzRrIa

[joseph]

Might be a good idea to disable automatic updates for the app if you don't want Mattermost 10 . But we have no idea how long MM 9 will continue to be supported.

[shrey]

Latest info regarding the OP:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Mattermost/s/H1p0lcoHKF

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TL;DR Seems like Mattermost self-hosted version might not be free anymore.

Any recommendations for a comparable FOSS alternative, preferably Cloudron-friendly?

[jdaviescoates]

@shrey said in PSA regarding Mattermost v10+:

Latest info regarding the OP:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Mattermost/s/H1p0lcoHKF

TL;DR Seems like Mattermost self-hosted version might not be free anymore.

Although as someone commented there they still mention free in the docs https://docs.mattermost.com/about/editions-and-offerings.html#mattermost-free

@shrey said in PSA regarding Mattermost v10+:

Any recommendations for a comparable FOSS alternative, preferably Cloudron-friendly?

Potential options include:

• Nextcloud Talk. Worth exploring if you're already using Nextcloud anyway
• Matrix/ Element
• Rocket Chat

[micmc]

@shrey said in PSA regarding Mattermost v10+:

Latest info regarding the OP:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Mattermost/s/H1p0lcoHKF

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TL;DR Seems like Mattermost self-hosted version might not be free anymore.

Any recommendations for a comparable FOSS alternative, preferably Cloudron-friendly?

Truth is their offers have become very much confusing, and well they seems to be confused too as far as the licensing they propose now as cloud AND self-hosted seems to have the exact same price as 10/m/user for the "professional" version paid for a year in advance (?).

I believe this is quite tight for a small startup that would 'eventually' scale, nonetheless one can still use it for free with a fair amount of good features (I've just installed an instance and was evaluating it actually). But--as I explained in another thread about FOSS recently--this is NOT really what we know as REAL FOSS anymore, as the free version, whether Team or Enterprise (this is confused AND confusing as well), is crippled of functions and thus imho constitute more a SHAREWARE than a FOSS as we know it.

On another note, why bother self-hosting it if their price per seat is the same as their cloud offer? (wtf? loll amazing... )

I hate Talk as it's not even comparable imho, however Rocket Chat is more likely though I haven't checked them for a few years. Will take a look back for sure.

[robi]

I think it's time to get Zulip packaged as the other options have deteriorated quite a bit.

[Bushido]

Why not Matrix?

Matrix offers clear advantages over centralized platforms like Zulip, especially for users who prioritize privacy, control, and interoperability. Its fully federated architecture lets you host your own server while communicating seamlessly across a global, decentralized network — eliminating vendor lock-in and single points of failure.

End-to-end encryption is built-in by default, providing strong, device-to-device security that protects sensitive data. This is essential for organizations and individuals who demand confidentiality.

Matrix’s extensive bridging ecosystem enables integration with Slack, IRC, Telegram, Signal, and more, allowing cross-platform communication without forcing users to switch apps. Zulip lacks this versatility and remains limited to its own silo.

Backed by active development, governmental and institutional adoption, and a robust open-source community, Matrix is future-proof and scalable for both private and enterprise use.

In contrast, Zulip’s centralized model, lack of federation, and absence of native E2EE make it less suitable for privacy-conscious or distributed teams. If you want a secure, flexible, and truly decentralized communication platform, Matrix is the superior choice.

What are the advantages of Zulip compared to Matrix?

[micmc]

@Bushido said in PSA regarding Mattermost v10+:

Why not Matrix?

Well, that's very good question. And, thanks you for your insights in this matter.

According to this information you share about Matrix, I would guess the answer to your question is simply because of lack of knowledge about its features at first glance.

There's a lot of apps and it's sometimes hard to remember all that one can do above knowing it's a "federated communication platform" as I would have said if you asked me what is Matrix a few minutes before I read your post. So, again thank you, because this is how we often discover great solutions we had under the nose.

That entice me to revisit Matrix as I'd never had the occasion to do so. The main important point you put in evidence is the OPENNESS of the platform which nowadays has become very important, more than never.

Nevertheless, I believe also that Cloudron has it's own way of BEING OPEN and as such, and I was going to like as well, I think we should still ADD ZULIP, as @robi suggested because it's an excellent platform. This platform would still be useful for many and, well its due a long ago on Cloudron as well.

TTYL

[Bushido]

Thanks so much for your thoughtful and encouraging response – that really means a lot.

I also really like how you framed Cloudron’s own way of being open – that made me smile and actually made me think a bit deeper about what "openness" means in different contexts.

You’re right: sometimes we overlook the tools right in front of us. Glad we could rediscover Matrix together – and yes, Zulip has strong merits too. I appreciate your balanced view.