PSA regarding Mattermost v10+

[shrey]

Re: Mattermost - Package Updates v10.0

In case anyone missed it, v10+ includes some 'significant breaking changes'. An ongoing discussion:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Mattermost/s/tFxPzzRrIa

[joseph]

Might be a good idea to disable automatic updates for the app if you don't want Mattermost 10 . But we have no idea how long MM 9 will continue to be supported.

[shrey]

Latest info regarding the OP:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Mattermost/s/H1p0lcoHKF

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TL;DR Seems like Mattermost self-hosted version might not be free anymore.

Any recommendations for a comparable FOSS alternative, preferably Cloudron-friendly?

[jdaviescoates]

@shrey said in PSA regarding Mattermost v10+:

Latest info regarding the OP:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Mattermost/s/H1p0lcoHKF

TL;DR Seems like Mattermost self-hosted version might not be free anymore.

Although as someone commented there they still mention free in the docs https://docs.mattermost.com/about/editions-and-offerings.html#mattermost-free

@shrey said in PSA regarding Mattermost v10+:

Any recommendations for a comparable FOSS alternative, preferably Cloudron-friendly?

Potential options include:

• Nextcloud Talk. Worth exploring if you're already using Nextcloud anyway
• Matrix/ Element
• Rocket Chat

[micmc]

@shrey said in PSA regarding Mattermost v10+:

Latest info regarding the OP:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Mattermost/s/H1p0lcoHKF

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TL;DR Seems like Mattermost self-hosted version might not be free anymore.

Any recommendations for a comparable FOSS alternative, preferably Cloudron-friendly?

Truth is their offers have become very much confusing, and well they seems to be confused too as far as the licensing they propose now as cloud AND self-hosted seems to have the exact same price as 10/m/user for the "professional" version paid for a year in advance (?).

I believe this is quite tight for a small startup that would 'eventually' scale, nonetheless one can still use it for free with a fair amount of good features (I've just installed an instance and was evaluating it actually). But--as I explained in another thread about FOSS recently--this is NOT really what we know as REAL FOSS anymore, as the free version, whether Team or Enterprise (this is confused AND confusing as well), is crippled of functions and thus imho constitute more a SHAREWARE than a FOSS as we know it.

On another note, why bother self-hosting it if their price per seat is the same as their cloud offer? (wtf? loll amazing... )

I hate Talk as it's not even comparable imho, however Rocket Chat is more likely though I haven't checked them for a few years. Will take a look back for sure.

[robi]

I think it's time to get Zulip packaged as the other options have deteriorated quite a bit.

[Bushido]

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