Cloudron v9: huge disk I/O is this normal/safe/needed?

[joseph]

@imc67 not sure I remember why Does this mean that if you disable matomo temporarily, the disk usage goes down a lot?

Seems easy to fix now that we know the root cause

[imc67]

@joseph I’m pretty sure that more apps suffer from this issue since the introduction of OIDC, I see EspoCRM and FreeScout, also has a Healthcheck to root/ (where the OIDC login is), didn’t check the sessions.

[joseph]

I have to test, but it seems like a matomo bug here (if this is all true). There is no need to create an OIDC session when visiting '/' . You have to only create OIDC session when OIDC login button is clicked.

[luckow]

My two cents: as soon as #28 is correct, this should happen with every Cloudron instance that has Matomo (and OIDC enabled). I looked at one of my instances that met the criteria. One of the Matomo instances had about 300 sessions stored in MySQL. The oldest entry is from Feb 26.
So maybe #28 isn't correct, or it's something that only happens on this instance.

[imc67]

Maybe because the three installs are 5-6 years old and had many many updates/upgrades etc?

can you check how many sessions per hour are being created? Run this query:
sql

SELECT HOUR(FROM_UNIXTIME(modified)) AS hour, COUNT(*) AS sessions
FROM `<your_matomo_db>`.session
WHERE DATE(FROM_UNIXTIME(modified)) = CURDATE() - INTERVAL 1 DAY
GROUP BY hour ORDER BY hour;

On my instances this shows exactly 360 per hour = 1 per 10 seconds = health check interval. If yours shows much less, the health checker behaves differently on your setup.

[luckow]

@imc67 one app instance (4y old)

+------+----------+
| hour | sessions |
+------+----------+
|    0 |        2 |
|    2 |        1 |
|    7 |        2 |
|    8 |        1 |
|    9 |        1 |
|   13 |        3 |
|   15 |        1 |
|   17 |        3 |
|   19 |        1 |
|   20 |        3 |
|   21 |        4 |
|   22 |        1 |
+------+----------+

different app instance (7y old)

+------+----------+
| hour | sessions |
+------+----------+
|    3 |        1 |
|    5 |        2 |
|   15 |        4 |
|   18 |        2 |
|   19 |        2 |
|   20 |        2 |
|   21 |        4 |
|   22 |        2 |
+------+----------+

health check is every 10 sec.

Mar 07 18:00:50 - - - [07/Mar/2026:17:00:50 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 302 - "-" "Mozilla (CloudronHealth)"
Mar 07 18:00:50 172.18.0.1 - - [07/Mar/2026:17:00:50 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 302 299 "-" "Mozilla (CloudronHealth)"
Mar 07 18:01:00 - - - [07/Mar/2026:17:01:00 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 302 - "-" "Mozilla (CloudronHealth)"
Mar 07 18:01:00 172.18.0.1 - - [07/Mar/2026:17:01:00 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 302 299 "-" "Mozilla (CloudronHealth)"
Mar 07 18:01:10 - - - [07/Mar/2026:17:01:10 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 302 - "-" "Mozilla (CloudronHealth)"
Mar 07 18:01:10 172.18.0.1 - - [07/Mar/2026:17:01:10 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 302 299 "-" "Mozilla (CloudronHealth)"
Mar 07 18:01:20 - - - [07/Mar/2026:17:01:20 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 302 - "-" "Mozilla (CloudronHealth)"
Mar 07 18:01:20 172.18.0.1 - - [07/Mar/2026:17:01:20 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 302 299 "-" "Mozilla (CloudronHealth)"
Mar 07 18:01:30 - - - [07/Mar/2026:17:01:30 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 302 - "-" "Mozilla (CloudronHealth)"
Mar 07 18:01:30 172.18.0.1 - - [07/Mar/2026:17:01:30 +0000] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 302 299 "-" "Mozilla (CloudronHealth)"

[imc67]

We also found some huge MySQL tables from a Wordpress-app with dedicated MainWP due to incorrect retention settings, after correction and deletion the 1 minute iotop -aoP -d 5 is still:

• Docker MySQL: 70 MB
• Host MySQL: 33 MB
• go-carbon: 6.7 MB
• jbd2: 9.9 MB
• Total: ~103 MB per minute

To put this in perspective:

• 103 MB/min = 6.2 GB/hour
• 6.2 GB/hour = 148 GB/day
• 148 GB/day = 4.4 TB/month

This is on a server with relatively low visitors across 10 sites. The vast majority of this write activity is caused by the issues identified above (Matomo health checker sessions, box.tasks accumulation, and app-level retention misconfigurations) — not by actual user traffic.

Note: these are cumulative iotop counters, not sustained rates. The actual average write speed shown by Cloudron's dashboard is ~2.5-4 MB/s, which still translates to 216-345 GB/day of unnecessary disk writes on a lightly loaded server.

[imc67]

Update on the Matomo issue https://forum.cloudron.io/post/121389

I disabled the OIDC plugin in Matomo and then the sessions are still created every 10 seconds, so it's not that plugin. Next when looking into the Matomo settings - System check it says:

Errors below may be due to a partial or failed upload of Matomo files.
--> Try to reupload all the Matomo files in BINARY mode. <--

File size mismatch: /app/code/misc/user/index.html (expected length: 172, found: 170)

The file contains:

/app/code# cat /app/code/misc/user/index.html
This directory stores the custom logo for this Piwik server. Learn more: <a href="https://matomo.org/faq/new-to-piwik/faq_129/">How do I customise the logo in Piwik?</a>

This means nothing serious.

Then I installed a Matomo app on the Cloudron demo server and was able to replicate the every 10 seconds session table increase, within 1 minute 8 extra sessions:

mysql> SELECT COUNT(*), MIN(FROM_UNIXTIME(modified)), MAX(FROM_UNIXTIME(modified)) 
    -> FROM session;
+----------+------------------------------+------------------------------+
| COUNT(*) | MIN(FROM_UNIXTIME(modified)) | MAX(FROM_UNIXTIME(modified)) |
+----------+------------------------------+------------------------------+
|       47 | 2026-03-08 10:58:00          | 2026-03-08 11:05:20          |
+----------+------------------------------+------------------------------+
1 row in set (0.00 sec)

mysql> SELECT COUNT(*), MIN(FROM_UNIXTIME(modified)), MAX(FROM_UNIXTIME(modified))  FROM session;
+----------+------------------------------+------------------------------+
| COUNT(*) | MIN(FROM_UNIXTIME(modified)) | MAX(FROM_UNIXTIME(modified)) |
+----------+------------------------------+------------------------------+
|       55 | 2026-03-08 10:58:00          | 2026-03-08 11:06:40          |
+----------+------------------------------+------------------------------+
1 row in set (0.00 sec)

[nebulon]

There is a lot of information here, but I think it got all a bit too mixed together making it unclear what might actually case the disk I/O. For a start, upserting sessions in mysql does not mean it would sync to disk all the time, so this may or may not be related. Also it is unclear to me when and why how much disk I/O is expected and when it is an issue. So it becomes even harder to properly respond here.

Maybe we can try to separate the issues mainly first focusing on the potentially unnecessary session creation by the healtheck and that also ideally one application at a time. Maybe you can create those issues at the individual app packages to track those better, otherwise those issues easily get lost until such time we have resources to look into those.

[imc67]

Thanks @nebulon for dividing the main issue "high disk I/O" and my three possible root causes into 3.

Here we can focus on Matomo, current situation on 3 different servers, each with one Matomo app:

ysql> SELECT COUNT(*), MIN(FROM_UNIXTIME(modified)), MAX(FROM_UNIXTIME(modified))  FROM session;
+----------+------------------------------+------------------------------+
| COUNT(*) | MIN(FROM_UNIXTIME(modified)) | MAX(FROM_UNIXTIME(modified)) |
+----------+------------------------------+------------------------------+
|   121230 | 2026-02-24 21:02:50          | 2026-03-10 21:43:20          |
+----------+------------------------------+------------------------------+
1 row in set (0.13 sec)

mysql> SELECT COUNT(*), MIN(FROM_UNIXTIME(modified)), MAX(FROM_UNIXTIME(modified))  FROM session;
+----------+------------------------------+------------------------------+
| COUNT(*) | MIN(FROM_UNIXTIME(modified)) | MAX(FROM_UNIXTIME(modified)) |
+----------+------------------------------+------------------------------+
|   120811 | 2026-02-24 21:41:30          | 2026-03-10 21:43:10          |
+----------+------------------------------+------------------------------+
1 row in set (0.13 sec)

mysql> SELECT COUNT(*), MIN(FROM_UNIXTIME(modified)), MAX(FROM_UNIXTIME(modified))  FROM session;
+----------+------------------------------+------------------------------+
| COUNT(*) | MIN(FROM_UNIXTIME(modified)) | MAX(FROM_UNIXTIME(modified)) |
+----------+------------------------------+------------------------------+
|    22494 | 2026-03-08 07:31:01          | 2026-03-10 21:40:00          |
+----------+------------------------------+------------------------------+
1 row in set (0.02 sec)

This looks like a serious amount of sessions in a short time, to be exactly:
120.811 / 20.161,67 = 5,99 sessions per minute is every 10 seconds health check.

The only thing I can find in the config.ini.php regarding sessions is: session_save_handler = "" and I don't remember me changing that?

[imc67]

Here is a more complete analysis of the disk I/O across all 3 servers.

1. Cloudron Disk I/O graph (server 1, last 6 hours)

The graph shows a constant write baseline of ~2.5 MB/s, 24/7. The spike around 20:00 is the scheduled daily backup — completely normal. The total write of 646 GB over 2 days (~323 GB/day) is almost entirely this constant baseline, not user traffic or backups.

2. iotop breakdown (server 1, 1 minute measurement)

Docker MySQL (messageb):  48.62 MB/min  (~0.81 MB/s)
Host MySQL:               23.26 MB/min  (~0.39 MB/s)
go-carbon:                 9.34 MB/min  (~0.16 MB/s)
jbd2 (fs journal):         8.44 MB/min  (~0.14 MB/s)
systemd-journald:          4.37 MB/min  (~0.07 MB/s)
containerd:                2.02 MB/min  (~0.03 MB/s)
dockerd:                   1.13 MB/min  (~0.02 MB/s)
Total:                   ~97 MB/min    (~1.6 MB/s average)

Note: the average of ~1.6 MB/s is consistent with the graph baseline of ~2.5 MB/s when accounting for peaks and the fact that iotop measures a 1-minute window.

3. InnoDB write activity since last MySQL restart (all 3 servers)

	Server 1 (uptime 59 min)	Server 2 (uptime ~40h)	Server 3 (uptime ~40h)
Data written	2.13 GB	55.3 GB	63.5 GB
Effective write rate	~0.58 MB/s	~0.38 MB/s	~0.43 MB/s
Rows inserted/s	6.5	8.8	8.6
Rows updated/s	7.0	4.5	4.0
Log writes/s	28.7	23.6	18.0

All three servers show a consistent insert rate of ~6-9 rows/second in the Docker MySQL, matching exactly 1 new Matomo session every 10 seconds (= health check interval).

Conclusion

The Docker MySQL (~0.4-0.8 MB/s) is the largest single contributor, driven primarily by Matomo session inserts. The total observed disk I/O of 2-4 MB/s is the sum of multiple processes, with the constant Matomo session accumulation as the most significant and most easily fixable component.