Hosted Nextcloud Talk High Perf Backend and Big Blue Button Available
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@doodlemania2
I would be interested in BBB.
Looking for a reliable provider for a class of about 250 participants.
The pricing must be similar to Zoom's offering to be viable in my opinion.. i.e. 20-30 USD per month for each account.
Edit: And usually institutions might opt for 20 accounts on an average@jagan you might also want to check out https://meet.coop
Although my understanding is that BBB doesn't scale too well after 100 participants. Or rather you'd likely need a load balance cluster of BBB servers for that.
@luckow I think has experience with large BBB stuff so he may have ideas too.
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@jagan you might also want to check out https://meet.coop
Although my understanding is that BBB doesn't scale too well after 100 participants. Or rather you'd likely need a load balance cluster of BBB servers for that.
@luckow I think has experience with large BBB stuff so he may have ideas too.
@jdaviescoates agreed - mine is really targeting the 5-50 participants crowd, but if there's sufficient demand for big boom boom BBB cluster, I can set that up to for a nominal fee.
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@jagan you might also want to check out https://meet.coop
Although my understanding is that BBB doesn't scale too well after 100 participants. Or rather you'd likely need a load balance cluster of BBB servers for that.
@luckow I think has experience with large BBB stuff so he may have ideas too.
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@jdaviescoates Absolutely true. I tried running BBB on a metal server but all of it struggled to get past the 100-150 participants.
Don't have the expertise myself to setup and maintain a load balancer. Will checkout meet.coop, thanks!@jagan said in Hosted Nextcloud Talk High Perf Backend and Big Blue Button Available:
Will checkout meet.coop, thanks!
I don't think they've actually got load balancing set-up yet either (it's still very new), but if you ask for it it may prompt them
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@jagan said in Hosted Nextcloud Talk High Perf Backend and Big Blue Button Available:
Will checkout meet.coop, thanks!
I don't think they've actually got load balancing set-up yet either (it's still very new), but if you ask for it it may prompt them
@jdaviescoates i've got 24 gb ram assigned to this, so hopefully it can do a at least 50 folks across various rooms. won't be doing any charges for the first month or so while i get it broken in
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Most important: If you have something like a local school or university (and not an international corporate with hundreds of employees in all countries), choose a service provider or hosting provider in your local country. It's all about latency. We thought about: "what should we do with all the servers for German school kids after 16:00?" And one of the ideas was to find out a kind of partner school in a different timezone. The problem is: a different time zone means thousands of kilometers away. And thousands of kilometers means latency. So we decided to do nothing with the infrastructure after 16:00. Sad but true.
250 attendees is not a problem with BBB 2.3 anymore. In my understanding 250 means: up to 5 cams & mics the rest is muted. That fits on a regular "cheap" bare metal server. If you click yourself a bigger one, the current metric is around 600 - 700 users on one bare metal server. Scaling with loadbalancer doesn't help to have bigger conferences. Up to around 300 in a meeting is okayish. More is a streaming topic.
So having 20 accounts with the ability of having meetings with up to 250 attendees, is around 10 bigger bare metal servers. Add 2 more as spare and for maintenace. Add a HA-loadbalancer (+2), up to 3 TURN server and one Cloudron with Greenlight. Calculate some extra costs for backups. Ah wait. Recording is a topic? Add some extra infrastructure for the recording queue and for storage.
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Most important: If you have something like a local school or university (and not an international corporate with hundreds of employees in all countries), choose a service provider or hosting provider in your local country. It's all about latency. We thought about: "what should we do with all the servers for German school kids after 16:00?" And one of the ideas was to find out a kind of partner school in a different timezone. The problem is: a different time zone means thousands of kilometers away. And thousands of kilometers means latency. So we decided to do nothing with the infrastructure after 16:00. Sad but true.
250 attendees is not a problem with BBB 2.3 anymore. In my understanding 250 means: up to 5 cams & mics the rest is muted. That fits on a regular "cheap" bare metal server. If you click yourself a bigger one, the current metric is around 600 - 700 users on one bare metal server. Scaling with loadbalancer doesn't help to have bigger conferences. Up to around 300 in a meeting is okayish. More is a streaming topic.
So having 20 accounts with the ability of having meetings with up to 250 attendees, is around 10 bigger bare metal servers. Add 2 more as spare and for maintenace. Add a HA-loadbalancer (+2), up to 3 TURN server and one Cloudron with Greenlight. Calculate some extra costs for backups. Ah wait. Recording is a topic? Add some extra infrastructure for the recording queue and for storage.
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@luckow Given the issue with BBB and recording, I've got that disabled on my service. Great points all around. Again, this is for the small shops that need a place.
@doodlemania2 top. BBB's recording feature is a small GDPR disaster
better to disable it. -
I have a Nextcloud Talk High Performance Backend and BBB (for your Greenlight app) available for your use.
If you'd like to use it, I'm offering it for free*. Just DM me for details.
*I will likely start charging in the not terribly distant future, but am open to understanding:
- Does anyone think this is useful?
- What would you be willing to pay?
I'm thinking $1-2 US / mo for up to 10 users. Eh? Really the only expense is bandwidth and just a hair of admin overhead. Would welcome your thoughts. Not in it to make $$$, just cover costs.
Hi @doodlemania2 Could we request a write-up on how we too could host our own Nextcloud Talk High Performance Backend?
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I have a Nextcloud Talk High Performance Backend and BBB (for your Greenlight app) available for your use.
If you'd like to use it, I'm offering it for free*. Just DM me for details.
*I will likely start charging in the not terribly distant future, but am open to understanding:
- Does anyone think this is useful?
- What would you be willing to pay?
I'm thinking $1-2 US / mo for up to 10 users. Eh? Really the only expense is bandwidth and just a hair of admin overhead. Would welcome your thoughts. Not in it to make $$$, just cover costs.
@doodlemania2 If anyone is interested - I know some of you weren't keen on my original service cause it was US based (Latency being the top questions).
So, happy to announce I'm now up and running in Frankfurt, so if you'd like to leverage either of those tools (or anything else I offer hosting for), let me know. See www.thedoodleproject.com for details if you are curious.
