XMPP Server - Prosody

[girish]

https://docs.trueelena.org/self_hosting/modern_xmpp_server/index.html has some XMPP setup . I haven't read through that in close detail.

[girish]

@djxx said in XMPP Server - Prosody:

But both of these have CN and alternate name set to: *.mydomain.com and are the exact same cert.

Will investigate when I find some time

[djxx]

@girish Any update on this? I'd like to be able to keep tinkering on this before I forget all the prosody and cloudron stuff I crammed in my head

[girish]

@djxx can only look into this after Christmas

[LoudLemur]

@djxx - thank you for doing this difficult work and helping Cloudron support XMPP.

I hope that we are able to make Prosody an officially supported application soon. Maybe your write up of the packaging experience will help others who might want to try supporting ejabberd.

Most people say ejabberd is tricky for configuration. I think that supporting it on Cloudron is one way to accomplish all that effort and make it available with one click.

Well done!

[LoudLemur]

Peertube has a chat plugin. One of the options is for XMPP Prosody:

[djxx]

Hello - any update on this? A standalone app is still needed; even though some apps like Jitsi use XMPP internally (like Jitsi) it doesn't mean it's useful for general external usage.

[robi]

@djxx check the VoceChat custom app install in the meantime.

[jdaviescoates]

@robi said in XMPP Server - Prosody:

@djxx check the VoceChat custom app install in the meantime.

That's not really comparable to an XMPP server.

[robi]

@jdaviescoates Neither is Jitsi.

[jdaviescoates]

@robi no one said it was (@djxx just mentioned Jitsi uses it, whilst pointing out that isn't useful and an standalone XMPP server is still needed)

[girish]

@djxx haven't worked on this yet.

[LoudLemur]

Prosody would help integrate with Peertube too: the Peertube livechat plugin uses Prosody:

[djxx]

@girish - any update? I see you guys shipped 8.0, congrats! I'm looking at moving servers again and no XMPP is a deal breaker for me at the moment.

[LoudLemur]

@djxx said in XMPP Server - Prosody:

@girish Any update on this? I'd like to be able to keep tinkering on this before I forget all the prosody and cloudron stuff I crammed in my head

I know the feeling! We lose a lot if we suspend focus on a project for a while.

[girish]

@djxx Is https://github.com/DerekJarvis/cloudron-prosody still the latest code? We should have some free cycles coming up, so I thought we can take a look if this is something easily doable. I can't promise we will publish it since it seems quite complicated (it's why we had to remove Jitsi too, it became way too hard to fight their system). Was the cert issue the blocker for you to just use your custom image yourself?

[jdaviescoates]

@girish it's possible that Snikket might be simpler to package:

https://github.com/snikket-im/snikket-selfhosted

[djxx]

I was actually looking into Snikket again last night. Back when I did my first packaging of XMPP, Snikket was still a bit too limited in features. I'll take another look at Snikket, but I suspect it will have the same cert requirements as part of the XMPP protocol.

And @girish , I don't remember perfectly, but based on my notes above the cert was the only thing I couldn't work around in the app package approach. While checking out Snikket I'll confirm if it also needs it.

[djxx]

Research done - it is indeed a limitation of XMPP. from https://snikket.org/faq/:

[djxx]

The way both Snikket and Cloudron apps work, it would "technically" be a different domain to allow your XMPP usernames to be like: user@domain.com , instead of the uglier user@chat.domain.com . The SRV records are trivial, and the real limitation as far as Cloudron is concerned is the app getting the cert with the TLD.

I guess there may be other apps in the future that would need the primary cert in order to verify trust between the TLD and the app itself - so perhaps this could be a new app option?

Also, Snikket intends to be a "one and done" installation, and it packages its own TURN/STUN server. For that reason, I think it's not ideal to use as the XMPP solution since it will make the app heaver than it needs to be, and require more ports.