What's coming in 9.2

[girish]

We will be working on the following in 9.2. mail server needs a bunch of housekeeping and fixes and will be the focus for this release.

• Improved progress reporting - show percentage complete and elapsed/estimated time for backups and app installations
• Convert backup site creation dialog to a view
• mail: allow cloudron email to be used as a mail relay. this will allow one cloudron to relay emails via another cloudron without having to disable mail from validation.
• mail: fix mail forwarding. there's been lots of bug reports on this feature. have to investigate the root cause
• mail: admin notes field for mailboxes and lists
• mail: housekeeping task. we want to move away from usage of ldap for auth entirely. many of the node ldap modules have become unmaintained
• mail: housekeeping task. the mail database is partly in box code and partly in mail server. have to move everything into mail server. this will help us implement backup/restore of mail nicely as well.
• mail: expose mailbox indexing and spam learning status in the UI

[humpty]

Is it possible to add support for email forwarding from gmail/protonmail to a cloudron mailbox? I forgot the technical term but its something along sts/rts that currently prevents this. Any possible workaround?

[girish]

@humpty Cloudron alreayd has SRS but I think for google and friends we have to explicitly disable it. Will look into it when I look into the mail forwarding feature .

[imc67]

@girish does this includes the email spam whitelist mentioned here with API and GUI?
https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/15310/spam-acl-whitelist-in-api-but-not-in-gui/

[girish]

@imc67 yes, that's part of the plan

[avatar1024]

@girish Hi Girish, most likely related but slightly separate to what's been asked here, will you be investigating the forwarding/distributing issue when using an external smtp relay as pointed to here?

[avatar1024]

Also given you're looking at emails, I wonder if you might have time to look at a couple more email related ideas (but I understand new features aren't and shouldn't be the priority over what you've listed):

1. Introducing manual / basic moderation for external mailing list through setting one email address / mailing list member who receives emails from external people and can decide whether or not to manually forward them to the list, like described here

2. Creating mailing lists based on a Cloudron group, so that mailing list recipient / email addresses get automatically updated when users enter / leave the group

3. Currently when I send an email to a mailing list I'm part of I also receive that email. Would it be possible to have an option (per mailing list) so that it is not the case, i.e. that senders don't receive their own email if they are part of the list?

[necrevistonnezr]

If you could only do something about the sorry state of webmail clients…

[jdaviescoates]

@necrevistonnezr said:

If you could only do something about the sorry state of webmail clients…

@necrevistonnezr I've not looked at it yet, but this could be promising on that front:

https://github.com/suitenumerique/messages

[necrevistonnezr]

@jdaviescoates said:
@necrevistonnezr I've not looked at it yet, but this could be promising on that front:

https://github.com/suitenumerique/messages

I don’t think it’s a client, rather a whole mail / messages system with its own server… but I could be wrong.

[Teiluj]

@necrevistonnezr said:

@jdaviescoates said:
@necrevistonnezr I've not looked at it yet, but this could be promising on that front:

https://github.com/suitenumerique/messages

I don’t think it’s a client, rather a whole mail / messages system with its own server… but I could be wrong.

Not to hijack the topic but how about this one maybe:
https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/15067/zero-open-source-ai-email-client-with-self-hosting-and-unified-inbox

[timconsidine]

Appreciate that mail is the focus of 9.2, but maybe you can sneak in a minor enhancement to Notifications :
From :
'Grafana at grafana.appx.uk updated to package version 2.5.1'
To :
'UPDATED Grafana at grafana.appx.uk to package version 2.5.1'
Speeds user review of notifications

[girish]

@timconsidine I have to check which is better. But https://git.cloudron.io/platform/box/-/blob/master/dashboard/src/utils.js?ref_type=heads#L58 has a whole bunch of messages. They use the same styling right now but maybe it should be changed to "Installed ..." , "Backed up...", " Updated ..." etc

[humpty]

@girish also color coding the initial wording would help e.g. update = green, backup failed = red, anything that requires attention = yellow

or..

break up messages into status groups:

RED (failed, errors, etc.)

• app x failed
• app y down

Yellow (user action required)

• app x requires manual update
• server reboot required

Green (all good messages)

• app M updated

[imc67]

@girish said:

@imc67 yes, that's part of the plan

@girish Would it be feasible to change the current methodology from text lists to database records for all block/allow-lists (mail, IP)? I manage the IP blocklist, via API, with around 90k rows and update it every hour with new and it takes about 2-3 minutes for each Cloudron-server to "handle" this. Better would be to have an API functionality with "list, add, remove"-commands.

[humpty]

@girish I was able to forward mail from Gmail to my CR mail server/mailboxes. Was this support added in 9.1.7 or something?

[mononym]

As this is about email, I wonder if there's a way to have a chatmail relay. Kind of "batteries included" for the couldron email addresses or so. But I guess that's out of scope. Just came across that project again because it got some larger grant: https://www.sovereign.tech/tech/chatmail
c.f. https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/13952/chatmail

[james]

Hello @mononym
From just a quick read of the description of the repository I would lean towards no.
Cloudron uses haraka as the underlying Mailserver which we also contribute to regularly and Chatmail is a full Mailserver which would be conflicting.

[robi]

@james @mononym unless chatmail can delegate and use Haraka instead?

[sponch]

would it -theoretically- be possible to and an alias service (like simplelogin.io or addy.io)?