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    • yusf
      yusf last edited by yusf

      In my profession I’ve recently been assimilated into the Notion universe. It’s truly brilliant.

      But it’s not free (as in freedom). So as I start to pour huge amount of work into structuring and using it, my woes of lock-in comes as expected.

      There’s this whole new class of digital tools flexible enough to be shaped by non-coders for virtually any workflow: Notion, Airtable, Coda, Next Matter.

      I sense that as the tools of this no-code movement develops further, users realize they don’t need to settle for other people’s workflow but can shape the tools to their liking instead of the other way around. Thus these tools may lay the groundwork for a new level of user expectancy, possibly leaving old rigid tools in the dust.

      So, is there anything FOSS that can even begin to compare to Notion?

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        luckow translator @yusf last edited by

        @yusf interesting tools. never heard of them before. My first impression is: if the foss-communities works close(r) together, the idea of a seamless and shapy ui is possible. But for today: no, there is no foss around 🙂

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        • murgero
          murgero App Dev @yusf last edited by murgero

          @yusf Actually - NextCloud has or has apps that have features like this. I use some of them right now actually.

          Apps like , , , , , as well.

          The app list looks like:

          • Talk (Voice/IM)
          • ActivityPub(Social)
          • [F3 - Tasks and Projects] Deck(Kaban/Issue Tracking)
          • Rainloop (Email)
          • [F1 - Notes]Markdown Editor(Notes)
          • Passwords (lastpass like clone)
          • Calendar/Contacts support Cal/Card DAV
          • [F1 - Docs / F4 - Spreadsheets (& Databases / Real time collaboration]OpenOffice/LibreOffice for Spreadsheets and other Office documents (Docs)
          • PDF Viewer
          • Video Player (streaming, upload MP4/webm files and stream remotely)
          • Music Player (Streaming, upload audio file and stream remotely)
          • [F2 - Knowledge Base] PicoCMS app for self-hosted, markdown powered knowledge-base / websites. (with or without user created content too!)
          • [Notion and NextCloud have apps] Even has mobile and desktop apps too.

          I am sure there is a small feature here that I overlooked, but NextCloud, when configured properly is EXTREMELY powerful.

          Edit: All the apps listed above I am currently using in my Cloudron-installed NextCloud instance (with OpenOffice as the Office handler)

          Edit 2: Since some of you can't seem to open your mind a little bit, This response is in-fact ONE (not the ONLY) answer to OP's question: "So, is there anything FOSS that can even begin to compare to Notion?" I have edited my list to literally highlight where NextCloud and Notion have similar features. Is NextCloud Notion? No. Is it as seemless as Notion? No. Is it a FOSS alternative to Notion? Absolutely.

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          • jdaviescoates
            jdaviescoates @murgero last edited by jdaviescoates

            @murgero Nextcloud rocks, but how are any of those apps anything like @yusf is talking about, ie "Notion, Airtable, Coda, Next Matter"?

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              will last edited by

              Notion is awesome! Havent been able to find anything like it that's selfhostable. 😞

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                will @murgero last edited by

                @murgero If you havent played with notion, go check it out. Seriously cool. Give it about a week to sink it. But once adjusted, your expectations will change in what you desire from personal database software.

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                • yusf
                  yusf @will last edited by

                  @will said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                  your expectations will change in what you desire from personal database software

                  And as in my case it's not "personal" at all but used professionally in small and large teams. So expectations will probably surge towards any software you use

                  I feel that FOSS wiki software stayed ahead of the curve for some years, but now using MediaWiki/Dokuwiki/Wiki.js/Bookstack after using Notion for a while is pretty painful. I already feel I have to protect some userbases I maintain from experiencing Notion so that I still can deliver on providable FOSS wiki systems. 😩

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                  • murgero
                    murgero App Dev @jdaviescoates last edited by

                    @jdaviescoates said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                    but how are any of those apps anything like @yusf is talking about, ie "Notion, Airtable, Coda, Next Matter"?

                    The first 6 apps I listed are feature-like to what notion advertises on its site. Airtable and openoffice are similar, openoffice and coda are similar too (by allowing collaberation on documentation for example)

                    Don't know why I was downvoted so much - I wasn't saying anything rude. I just listed apps that are currently available in Cloudron that can be used while notion is talked about... like what?

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                      will last edited by

                      Try out notion, and then comment, you're being downvoted because you're speaking from a place of a lack of knowledge on the given topic. Your comments are not helpful on this specific topic because by your suggestions, it is obvious that you've never used notion.
                      I say this with love my friend, try out notion and see how different it is from other solutions in this space.

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                      • murgero
                        murgero App Dev @will last edited by

                        @will I'll give notion a try I guess. but speaking from a purely technical standpoint I don't believe my comment justified being downvoted so much.

                        I am sure notion is probably leagues better than using some 3rd party nextcloud apps, but the OP asked what FOSS solutions were out there, I obliged the question. That's all.

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                          will @murgero last edited by

                          @murgero Again, how can you judge the technical merits of one solution compared to another when you clearly don't understand the feature set or use case of one of the solutions?
                          Thats why you were down voted, and because your continued refusal to see the error of your understandable gap in knowledge, it comes across as hubris.
                          Your heart is in the right place, but once you were told that your alternatives were not relevant, continuing to debate and come up with more non-applicable examples did nothing but muddy the waters and detract from finding a solution to OP's original question.

                          The point is Notion isn't the end all be all, but it is super novel and unique, and a self hosted alternative would be super cool. As far as I can tell, one doesn't exist. Hope that changes!

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                          • murgero
                            murgero App Dev @will last edited by murgero

                            @will said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                            The point is Notion isn't the end all be all, but it is super novel and unique, and a self hosted alternative would be super cool. As far as I can tell, one doesn't exist. Hope that changes!

                            Did you guys even read my response? I posted a FOSS replacement for Notion - that has ALL of notions FEATURES that are listed on the site. With the knowledge I had, I answered the ORIGINAL QUESTION the original poster had:

                            "So, is there anything FOSS that can even begin to compare to Notion?"

                            Yes, NextCloud can compare to Notion, as far as features go. I also happened to list other groupware like features because notion is groupware.

                            Yes - I already acknowledged my knowledge of Notion was limited, and I even tried it. It's f--king amazing! BUT OP asked for a FOSS replacement for it, not if it was Open Source itself...

                            Go back and read my original response. I'll even edit it to specifically point out where NextCloud and Notion are the same (as far as the feature goes).

                            Edit: I'd like to apologize if my response comes off nasty. I do not mean to try and offend anyone on the forum. I'm just trying to stick to my original point. I hope we can all still be friends 🙂

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                            • yusf
                              yusf last edited by

                              I acknowledge the genuine intent of your original reply, @murgero. Thank you. As one of the recurring Cloudron community members your enthusiasm to further the project and help users out is quite notable.

                              I think that the nature of what Notion brings makes it especially prone to be overlooked feature-wise compared to other tools: it’s the specific way of how elements from other novel tools are put together that makes Notion unique.

                              So let’s move on. Notion has no FOSS counterpart for the time being. I don’t even se any FOSS no-code tools like the other ones mentioned in the original post. But let’s keep our ears to the ground.👂

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                              • jeau
                                jeau App Dev @yusf last edited by

                                @yusf some venerable wikis I used allow to generate dynamic elements and input interfaces in pages and build simple applications on demand with scripting.

                                • TWiki and Foswiki with their own markup language, macros and numerous extensions.
                                • Xwiki use Velocity, Groovy and code snippets.

                                Recently Mavo opened: "A new, approachable way to create web applications. Create complex, reactive, persistent web applications by just writing HTML & CSS, without a single line of JavaScript and no server backend. Developed in the Haystack Group at MIT CSAIL and led by Lea Verou. "

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                                • yusf
                                  yusf @jeau last edited by

                                  @jeau I appreciate the suggestions and I recognize the similarities but their too far off still unfortunately.

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                                  • murgero
                                    murgero App Dev @yusf last edited by

                                    @yusf Yeah - Sorry yusf. I get really passionate about FOSS as you can see 🙌

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                                      will @murgero last edited by

                                      @murgero Im with you! I used to be die hard anti FOSS, now I'm studying CompSci so I can help out around here!
                                      If you think of FOSS in interpersonal relations, I just gave you a push to your mental git repo hahahah I hope you'll return the favor when I stumble!

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                                        seeker @yusf last edited by

                                        @yusf
                                        My understanding is that anytype .io is similar to Notion. The developers say they plan to open source it after they release it.
                                        It is built on IPFS. You can check out a video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hblHWfXA3XU

                                        I have no affiliation. I just stumbled upon it and have been awaiting its release. If it lives up to the hype, I hope to somehow use it with cloudron

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                                          will @seeker last edited by

                                          @seeker Awesome app! This looks seriously awesome!

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                                            seeker @will last edited by

                                            @will Yeah, I agree. I have been waiting for their beta. As for another possibility- there is also Tiddlywiki. Years ago the hurdle was collaboration. I wonder if they have solved that with a plugin or something

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                                            • yusf
                                              yusf @seeker last edited by yusf

                                              @seeker Yeah! There we go! Anytype definitely looks like a viable alternative. 👏

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                                                seeker @yusf last edited by

                                                @yusf Agreed. Fingers crossed it come through

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                                                • necrevistonnezr
                                                  necrevistonnezr last edited by

                                                  FYI: Notion just removed the block limits in the free plan: https://www.notion.so/pricing

                                                  Free for individuals
                                                  Unlimited pages & blocks
                                                  Share with 5 guests
                                                  Sync across devices

                                                  File uploads still limited to 5 MB.

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                                                  • girish
                                                    girish Staff last edited by girish

                                                    https://github.com/outline/outline looks great but from the issue tracker it seems that author will not merge features like LDAP as they don't make sense for his SaaS.

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                                                    • jdaviescoates
                                                      jdaviescoates @girish last edited by

                                                      @girish said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                                                      https://github.com/outline/outline looks great but from the issue tracker it seems that author will not merge features like LDAP as they don't make sense for his SaaS.

                                                      Although on their pricing page they do advertise SSO as an Enterprise option

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                                                      • girish
                                                        girish Staff last edited by

                                                        I was commenting based on https://github.com/outline/outline/pull/939

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                                                        • marcusquinn
                                                          marcusquinn last edited by

                                                          Would you consider CodiMD covers the main usage and needs that you get from Notion perhaps?

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                                                          • marcusquinn
                                                            marcusquinn last edited by

                                                            And for an AirTable alternative I'm a big fan of what Directus makes easier:

                                                            https://directus.io

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                                                            • jdaviescoates
                                                              jdaviescoates @marcusquinn last edited by

                                                              @marcuswquinn said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                                                              Would you consider CodiMD covers the main usage and needs that you get from Notion perhaps?
                                                              https://cloudron.io/store/io.hackmd.cloudronapp.html

                                                              No. It's not even remotely comparable.

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                                                              • marcusquinn
                                                                marcusquinn @jdaviescoates last edited by

                                                                @jdaviescoates Fair enough. I'm with you on keeping data on a platform you control though.

                                                                Outline looks cool, so 🤞 that LDAP pull request gets merged.

                                                                Certainly interested in what else comes from this thread.

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                                                                • marcusquinn
                                                                  marcusquinn @marcusquinn last edited by

                                                                  Since I can't resist a FOSS Alternative search, this looks interesting if you're into AirTable:

                                                                  LeanTime looks similar at first glance: https://leantime.io

                                                                  More info in the Docs: https://docs.leantime.io

                                                                  Not tried it and I've no idea on your usage and needs so just adding for the record really.

                                                                  Personally I like Directus for being both standardised, openness and portable data.

                                                                  If I were in the market for AirTable it would be difficult to choose it against Odoo but then if you want coddles you'd need an enterprise subscription for Odoo Studio: https://www.odoo.com/page/studio

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                                                                  • marcusquinn
                                                                    marcusquinn last edited by

                                                                    A couple more that look worth watching at least:

                                                                    https://wiki.js.org (already on Cloudron)

                                                                    https://anytype.io
                                                                    https://github.com/anytypeio
                                                                    https://twitter.com/AnytypeLabs

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                                                                    • marcusquinn
                                                                      marcusquinn last edited by

                                                                      Twake looks interesting: https://twake.app

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                                                                      • rmdes
                                                                        rmdes last edited by rmdes

                                                                        Baserow : This under development project seems to be in the "alternative to airtable" category : https://baserow.io/ https://gitlab.com/bramw/baserow

                                                                        Notion :
                                                                        I have a friend that moved his entire wordpress.org blog (15 years of posts) to guess what ?
                                                                        notion !

                                                                        He's definitely part of the no-code approach and bootstrap lots of different journalist/media projects with no-code approaches.

                                                                        I wish I could convince him to use something else and instead have an entire cloudron powering his infrastructure, but without a serious FOSS alternative to notion I won't get him on our boat 😕

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                                                                        • yusf
                                                                          yusf @rmdes last edited by

                                                                          @rmdes Exactly. There’s no arguing against such superior product. 😨

                                                                          If only there was a way to make sure FOSS devs got paid for their work…

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                                                                          • marcusquinn
                                                                            marcusquinn @yusf last edited by

                                                                            @yusf I think GitHub Sponsoring is making better inroads for that. Be good if GitLab followed that too.

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                                                                              jdaviescoates @marcusquinn last edited by

                                                                              @marcusquinn said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                                                                              https://anytype.io
                                                                              https://github.com/anytypeio
                                                                              https://twitter.com/AnytypeLabs

                                                                              Yeah @seeker mentioned Anytype.io higher up the thread, looks like it'sthe closest thing to an open source Notion.

                                                                              Fill in this form to help them prioritise (and likely get you up the wait list too):

                                                                              https://anytype.typeform.com/to/bRQZWx

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                                                                                jdaviescoates @marcusquinn last edited by

                                                                                @marcusquinn said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                                                                                Be good if GitLab followed that too.

                                                                                Yeah, although nothing stopping anyone setting up OpenCollective and Liberapay accounts and adding the info to their README in GitLab 🙂

                                                                                Both are open source too. Open Collective isn't really designed/ ready to self-host yet but you can support those efforts here https://opencollective.com/community and upvote here:

                                                                                https://forum.cloudron.io/post/5408

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                                                                                • jdaviescoates
                                                                                  jdaviescoates @marcusquinn last edited by

                                                                                  @marcusquinn said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                                                                                  Twake looks interesting: https://twake.app

                                                                                  It's nothing like Notion imho, but does indeed look pretty nice!

                                                                                  Upvote here:
                                                                                  https://forum.cloudron.io/post/10591

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                                                                                  • jdaviescoates
                                                                                    jdaviescoates @jdaviescoates last edited by

                                                                                    @jdaviescoates said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                                                                                    Yeah @seeker mentioned Anytype.io higher up the thread, looks like it'sthe closest thing to an open source Notion.

                                                                                    I attended an intro webinar thing about anytype.io the other day.

                                                                                    It's pretty cool, but they have no plans for a web app.

                                                                                    It's all based on IPFS

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                                                                                      yusf @jdaviescoates last edited by

                                                                                      @jdaviescoates Interesting. What's the front-end stack like?

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                                                                                        jdaviescoates @yusf last edited by

                                                                                        @yusf as in what is it coded in? I'm not sure actually. If they covered that it was during the part I missed!

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                                                                                          yusf @jdaviescoates last edited by

                                                                                          @jdaviescoates If they have no plans for a web app I really wonder what stack they're using and possible subsequent lockins.

                                                                                          But regardless I'm also interested in what they did have to say about their project.

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                                                                                            seeker @jdaviescoates last edited by

                                                                                            @jdaviescoates Thanks! I am curious how did you find out about the information session?

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                                                                                            • jdaviescoates
                                                                                              jdaviescoates @seeker last edited by

                                                                                              @seeker I filled in this form:
                                                                                              anytype.typeform.com/to/bRQZWx

                                                                                              You can also join their Telegram group if that's your thing:
                                                                                              t.me/anytype

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                                                                                                soup last edited by

                                                                                                If there's still interest around this question, the most promising option right now is Athens, which aims to be an alternative to Roam and Notion (and is getting close to feature-parity).

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                                                                                                • marcusquinn
                                                                                                  marcusquinn @soup last edited by

                                                                                                  @soup Nice spot! Trial by downloaded Electron version is handy too. Looks like it deserves it's own App Wishlist post if you'd like the finder's honours?

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                                                                                                    jdaviescoates @marcusquinn last edited by

                                                                                                    @marcusquinn said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                                                                                                    Looks like it deserves it's own App Wishlist post if you'd like the finder's honours?

                                                                                                    I only had a very quick look but it looks like Athens is like Anytype in that it's not actually a server thing at all, no? i.e. I think it's just a desktop app, not a web app, no?

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                                                                                                      soup @marcusquinn last edited by soup

                                                                                                      @marcusquinn said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                                                                                                      Looks like it deserves it's own App Wishlist post if you'd like the finder's honours?

                                                                                                      Yep, can do the post :).

                                                                                                      @marcusquinn @girish
                                                                                                      Can I do one post for Athens and one for Logseq? Both are doing the same thing, the difference being that (i) Athens goes with a custom format for storing files, while Logseq works with text files (both markdown and org mode) [edit: Athens also aims to store information in text files in the future] and (ii) can sync via Github (+Gitlab, WebDAV, etc. in the future). Logseq's founder did state that it's designed to be self-hostable, but hasn't released the backend code yet (need to ensure security first), so maybe I should wait before doing that post?

                                                                                                      By the way, the founders of both apps are very reactive: might be interesting to drop them a line on Github or Twitter as they might be willing to provide support with the packaging.


                                                                                                      @jdaviescoates said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                                                                                                      I only had a very quick look but it looks like Athens is like Anytype in that it's not actually a server thing at all, no? i.e. I think it's just a desktop app, not a web app, no?

                                                                                                      I agree that it is a bit unclear, I'm going off of the fact that the option to self-host features quite heavily in Athens' communication and approach to monetisation, and the founder did discuss hosting on Sandstorm here (though it did prove problematic), but I might have misunderstood.

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                                                                                                        jdaviescoates @soup last edited by

                                                                                                        @soup said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                                                                                                        Can I do one post for Athens and one for Logseq?

                                                                                                        Go for it! You don't need permission 🙂

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                                                                                                          soup last edited by soup

                                                                                                          The Athens post: https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/4717/athens-open-source-and-local-first-alternative-to-roam-research-also-like-notion-obsidian?_=1616151737160

                                                                                                          The Logseq post: https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/4718/logseq-privacy-first-open-source-knowledge-sharing-and-management-platform-like-notion-roam-obsidian

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                                                                                                            infogulch last edited by infogulch

                                                                                                            Athens is pretty cool, but it doesn't have an api or any kind of server side component. I tried to package it for cloudron a couple weeks ago ( https://source.infogulch.com/infogulch/athens-app ) before I discovered this. logseq is in the same boat.

                                                                                                            See this discussion for input from a contributor: https://github.com/athensresearch/athens/discussions/737

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                                                                                                              ctrl @infogulch last edited by ctrl

                                                                                                              @infogulch Never had my hands on Trilium Notes. But judging from the screenshots doesn't it offer concepts used in these kind of roaming tools like the Zettelkasten Methode which was heavily used by Niklas Luhmann et al.? Btw. Anytype is on my personal watchlist, too.

                                                                                                              @yusf I tried out Notion last year but only for a day or so and abandoned it quickly because of data protection and privacy concerns. My first impression was that it had a very specific characteristic in its appereance and handling. What I really liked about it was that it felt quite calm on the surface hiding and simplificating the complexity of its possibilities. In a way it reminded me of Things.app on macOS.
                                                                                                              Yesterday I found Focalboard by Mattermost. I don't know if it fills the gap but at least it promotes itself as an open source, self-hosted alternative to Trello, Notion, and Asana. @thetomester13 created an app request already. ^^

                                                                                                              I am also on a long lasting journey on the search for the appropriate toolset that fits my way of thinking. Currently I use multiple tools. Most of the time I start out with a mindmap. Although it is not perfect Mindnode does quite a good job in the fields of mindmapping in regards of UX. It lets me quickly visualize my thoughts and doesn't get into the way too much in that process which helps me to slip into some kind of a flow state. Sometimes I wish we had neural interfaces to project all of these interconnected thought that seem to pop of the ground like mushrooms while surfing through an idea.

                                                                                                              The problem with a mindmap is that it is neither interactive after it has been created nor can it be connected or extended by ongoing research in a comfortable/elegant way. Maybe the roaming tools mentioned by @soup could fill that gap. I'll get my hands on these asap. What do you think about Trilium? Does it fit in that kind of category?

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                                                                                                              • yusf
                                                                                                                yusf last edited by

                                                                                                                Check this out:

                                                                                                                Notea

                                                                                                                Self hosted note taking app stored on S3. Notea is a privacy-first, open-source note-taking application. It supports Markdown syntax, sharing, responsive and more.

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                                                                                                                  infogulch @yusf last edited by

                                                                                                                  @yusf Nice find! That looks ready to package up today.

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                                                                                                                    jdaviescoates @jdaviescoates last edited by jdaviescoates

                                                                                                                    @jdaviescoates said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                                                                                                                    I only had a very quick look but it looks like Athens is like Anytype in that it's not actually a server thing at all, no? i.e. I think it's just a desktop app, not a web app, no?

                                                                                                                    @infogulch said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                                                                                                                    Athens is pretty cool, but it doesn't have an api or any kind of server side component. I tried to package it for cloudron a couple weeks ago ( https://source.infogulch.com/infogulch/athens-app ) before I discovered this. logseq is in the same boat.

                                                                                                                    It's now clear that you can also self-host Athens on a server. The Github repo says "You can use Athens as a local desktop app that saves data to your filesystem or with a self-hosted server."

                                                                                                                    I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                                                                                                                      Explicit Notion clone: AppFlowy (AGPL)

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                                                                                                                        jdaviescoates @yusf last edited by

                                                                                                                        @yusf said in Notion-like FOSS app:

                                                                                                                        Explicit Notion clone: AppFlowy (AGPL)

                                                                                                                        Upvote here:

                                                                                                                        https://forum.cloudron.io/post/39873

                                                                                                                        I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                                                                                                                          LoudLemur @yusf last edited by

                                                                                                                          @yusf I had only a quick look at notion, but it seems like it helps co-ordinate various functions in a way similar to Odoo (or Flectra, a fork of Odoo), both of which have been requested in the App Wishlist. Flectra was created with the goal of being as Free as possible.

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                                                                                                                            marcusquinn @LoudLemur last edited by

                                                                                                                            @loudlemur Tried both,, was disappointed that all the good stuff is kept out of the free version and reserved for the cloud hosted version. I suggest EspoCRM is a better faster, easier framework to work with anyway if you're after that sort of thing.

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