WordPress 5.5 auto-updates not working in Managed version, likely due to core updates blocked.
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WordPress 5.5 comes with auto-updates functionality for plugins and themes. The Managed version of this app unfortunately (or fortunately?) still blocks automatic updates.
I tried it out with one site and it had two plugin updates available, and a notice that said it would be updated in 2 hours. I checked 3 hours later and the notice then changed to the next update will be in 11 hours (basically every 12 hours it updates as far as I can tell).
Just a heads up to anyone on the Managed version who is hoping to take advantage of the built-in auto-updates for themes and plugins - it ain't working with he way the Managed app is configured.
Will need to use the Unmanaged app I guess for that functionality. My hope is the Unmanaged app will come with LDAP support eventually so I can make the move back to that version.
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Dustin Dauncey
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WordPress 5.5 comes with auto-updates functionality for plugins and themes. The Managed version of this app unfortunately (or fortunately?) still blocks automatic updates.
I tried it out with one site and it had two plugin updates available, and a notice that said it would be updated in 2 hours. I checked 3 hours later and the notice then changed to the next update will be in 11 hours (basically every 12 hours it updates as far as I can tell).
Just a heads up to anyone on the Managed version who is hoping to take advantage of the built-in auto-updates for themes and plugins - it ain't working with he way the Managed app is configured.
Will need to use the Unmanaged app I guess for that functionality. My hope is the Unmanaged app will come with LDAP support eventually so I can make the move back to that version.
@d19dotca I noticed that WordPress (Managed) was not updating to 5.5 within WordPress itself (unliked WordPress Unmanaged)... and so I figured perhaps I'd need to upgrade the app itself to get WordPress 5.5, but after clicking Checking for updates and the clicking Update Available it informed me:
This update is a pre-release and not considered stable yet. Please update at your own risk.
So I didn't update.
Perhaps once it is stable the auto-updates will work?
/me shrugs
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@d19dotca I noticed that WordPress (Managed) was not updating to 5.5 within WordPress itself (unliked WordPress Unmanaged)... and so I figured perhaps I'd need to upgrade the app itself to get WordPress 5.5, but after clicking Checking for updates and the clicking Update Available it informed me:
This update is a pre-release and not considered stable yet. Please update at your own risk.
So I didn't update.
Perhaps once it is stable the auto-updates will work?
/me shrugs
@jdaviescoates I believe that message you saw is for 5.5 (coincidentally same version) of Cloudron itself, not WordPress Managed. The WordPress Managed app was released yesterday though with WordPress 5.5 (as opposed to Cloudron 5.5), and inside of WordPress 5.5 it has functionality to auto-update plugins and themes - basically eliminating the need to have an additional plugin to do that task.
That new built-in functionality isn’t working and I’m pretty certain (though hoping someone else can confirm) that it’s because of the “disable Wordpress updates” plug-in that’s auto-installed in the Managed image. I haven’t tried yet but I’d suspect if I used the Unmanaged version then it’d work just fine.
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Dustin Dauncey
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@jdaviescoates I believe that message you saw is for 5.5 (coincidentally same version) of Cloudron itself, not WordPress Managed. The WordPress Managed app was released yesterday though with WordPress 5.5 (as opposed to Cloudron 5.5), and inside of WordPress 5.5 it has functionality to auto-update plugins and themes - basically eliminating the need to have an additional plugin to do that task.
That new built-in functionality isn’t working and I’m pretty certain (though hoping someone else can confirm) that it’s because of the “disable Wordpress updates” plug-in that’s auto-installed in the Managed image. I haven’t tried yet but I’d suspect if I used the Unmanaged version then it’d work just fine.
@d19dotca said in WordPress 5.5 auto-updates not working in Managed version, likely due to core updates blocked.:
I believe that message you saw is for 5.5 (coincidentally same version) of Cloudron itself, not WordPress Managed.
No, it's for the WordPress (Managed) package update:
Not a Cloudron update.
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@d19dotca said in WordPress 5.5 auto-updates not working in Managed version, likely due to core updates blocked.:
I believe that message you saw is for 5.5 (coincidentally same version) of Cloudron itself, not WordPress Managed.
No, it's for the WordPress (Managed) package update:
Not a Cloudron update.
@jdaviescoates oh that’s interesting, I somehow totally missed that message when I was updating. Hopefully this is just an issue with the pre-release version then.
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@d19dotca said in WordPress 5.5 auto-updates not working in Managed version, likely due to core updates blocked.:
I believe that message you saw is for 5.5 (coincidentally same version) of Cloudron itself, not WordPress Managed.
No, it's for the WordPress (Managed) package update:
Not a Cloudron update.
@jdaviescoates interestingly the forum post with the release notes doesn’t mention it as beta either. https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2407/wordpress-managed-package-updates
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Dustin Dauncey
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@jdaviescoates interestingly the forum post with the release notes doesn’t mention it as beta either. https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2407/wordpress-managed-package-updates
@d19dotca
btw dont use the auto-update, it dosent provide any check on the update, we are faing many WordPress crash because customer activate this new feature.Matteo. R.
Founder and Tech-Support Manager.
MooCloud MSP
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@jdaviescoates interestingly the forum post with the release notes doesn’t mention it as beta either. https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2407/wordpress-managed-package-updates
@d19dotca said in WordPress 5.5 auto-updates not working in Managed version, likely due to core updates blocked.:
@jdaviescoates interestingly the forum post with the release notes doesn’t mention it as beta either. https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2407/wordpress-managed-package-updates
I also note that after hitting Check for Updates, the fact that there is now an update then triggers an email about the update, and the email doesn't contain the warning about it being unstable either:
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@d19dotca
btw dont use the auto-update, it dosent provide any check on the update, we are faing many WordPress crash because customer activate this new feature.@MooCloud_Matt Just to clarify, you’re talking about the auto-update within WordPress itself, the new functionality right? Interesting that you’ve seen some crashes and stuff already.
I went through and updated about 12 WordPress sites yesterday afternoon and did some brief testing of them all, one-by-one since it was a major WordPress update. Thankfully there were no public-facing issues, aside from one where I had to regenerate the CSS files. Everything went smoother than I expected, honestly.
The only real issue I’ve experienced is the one I’m reporting here, but to be fair I only tried enabling the auto-update for plugins and themes on two of twelve sites. No crashes or anything though observed, just that the auto-update isn’t doing anything.
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Dustin Dauncey
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Yeah, we haven't heard any WP 5.5 related issues either. What crash are we talking about? The package itself gets rolled out slowly since we have a very large amount of WP installs.
The auto-update of plugins should ideally work, let me check why it doesn't.
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@MooCloud_Matt Just to clarify, you’re talking about the auto-update within WordPress itself, the new functionality right? Interesting that you’ve seen some crashes and stuff already.
I went through and updated about 12 WordPress sites yesterday afternoon and did some brief testing of them all, one-by-one since it was a major WordPress update. Thankfully there were no public-facing issues, aside from one where I had to regenerate the CSS files. Everything went smoother than I expected, honestly.
The only real issue I’ve experienced is the one I’m reporting here, but to be fair I only tried enabling the auto-update for plugins and themes on two of twelve sites. No crashes or anything though observed, just that the auto-update isn’t doing anything.
@d19dotca
I called them crashes, but to be precise they are CSS errors, or WooCommerce for example or other plugins that are out of date with the current version of WordPress or other plugins and therefore create incompatibilities.
For example, those who activated this function and had Divi or Elementors, in the first hours the site did not load the images correctly because the two builders were not yet updated to support lazy load by WP.
For this reason it is recommended to use external tools that perform the updates, there are many even free ones, which perform a backup before the automatic update and once the update has been performed they compare the CSS and the HTML to check is identical, if not then they will proceed to reverse the backup. -
Yeah, we haven't heard any WP 5.5 related issues either. What crash are we talking about? The package itself gets rolled out slowly since we have a very large amount of WP installs.
The auto-update of plugins should ideally work, let me check why it doesn't.
@girish
I'm speaking of the new auto-update feature of WP, that is similar to use an auto-update script for packages on a rolling realize linux distro, is not a good idea in production. -
Matteo. R.
Founder and Tech-Support Manager.
MooCloud MSP
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@d19dotca said in WordPress 5.5 auto-updates not working in Managed version, likely due to core updates blocked.:
Just a heads up to anyone on the Managed version who is hoping to take advantage of the built-in auto-updates for themes and plugins - it ain't working with he way the Managed app is configured.
@d19dotca What error did you see for this? Was this some cURL error?
I am debugging this bizzare error and was wondering if it's related to what you saw.
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@d19dotca said in WordPress 5.5 auto-updates not working in Managed version, likely due to core updates blocked.:
Just a heads up to anyone on the Managed version who is hoping to take advantage of the built-in auto-updates for themes and plugins - it ain't working with he way the Managed app is configured.
@d19dotca What error did you see for this? Was this some cURL error?
I am debugging this bizzare error and was wondering if it's related to what you saw.
@girish That's an interesting one, I never saw that error in my quick test, but I wonder if that error only shows for a short period of time so maybe I missed it.
Mine just had a message about 2 hours from now it'll check again, and I knew there were updates to it as it showed it, but it didn't install them and when I checked 3 hours later since it was supposed to be done 2 hours later, it showed the next attempt was 11 hours from then (so basically it tries to check every 12 hours I guess), but no action was taken to install the update when it should have done it.
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Actually, this seems like some plugin related issue. Because on the same instance I could update other plugins. I have asked our customer to contact the plugin author, I will update once he gets back.
@girish Yeah that seems like a different issue, so that's a good conclusion on that one. I'm still interested in knowing why the auto-update isn't working, did you see it work for you then? I have a sneaky suspicion this has to do with the WordPress cron doing it every 12 hours but I think since it's disabled and we run our own in this app (correct me if I'm wrong but I think the cron was handled differently than default), this may explain the discrepancy.
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@d19dotca How can I test the auto updates? Install an old version of plugin and enable auto update and wait for a day?
cron shouldn't be a problem. Essentially, php apps are loaded by the server only when someone makes a page request. Some PHP apps (like WP) have a built-in "cron" module which checks if some cron task is due and runs it, but it can do this only when someone requests a page. If you have a reasonable traffic site, it will work out. But if someone doesn't visit your site for 4 hours, those cron jobs are not going to be run. The alternate solution (WP supported) is to disable this built-in cron and instead just run it using crontab or something outside the PHP/Apache. This is what we do.
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@d19dotca How can I test the auto updates? Install an old version of plugin and enable auto update and wait for a day?
cron shouldn't be a problem. Essentially, php apps are loaded by the server only when someone makes a page request. Some PHP apps (like WP) have a built-in "cron" module which checks if some cron task is due and runs it, but it can do this only when someone requests a page. If you have a reasonable traffic site, it will work out. But if someone doesn't visit your site for 4 hours, those cron jobs are not going to be run. The alternate solution (WP supported) is to disable this built-in cron and instead just run it using crontab or something outside the PHP/Apache. This is what we do.
@girish yes that should work.
Admin columns pro use private repo, the new autoupdate feature will overload the repo-server, because it try to update all the server in that time zone at the same time.
That may be the cause of the timeout of curl request.But normally if u try to update it manually should work
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@d19dotca How can I test the auto updates? Install an old version of plugin and enable auto update and wait for a day?
cron shouldn't be a problem. Essentially, php apps are loaded by the server only when someone makes a page request. Some PHP apps (like WP) have a built-in "cron" module which checks if some cron task is due and runs it, but it can do this only when someone requests a page. If you have a reasonable traffic site, it will work out. But if someone doesn't visit your site for 4 hours, those cron jobs are not going to be run. The alternate solution (WP supported) is to disable this built-in cron and instead just run it using crontab or something outside the PHP/Apache. This is what we do.
@girish Good question. My test was I had a plugin that was out-of-date (it coincidentally was at the time of WordPress 5.5 update), and as soon as I noticed it I set it to be enabled for auto-updates, and it gives a message saying at that time it'd be done in 2 hours, but it didn't do it and the counter reset afterwards to 11 hours (would have been 12 if I checked on time though).
So to test I would think your proposal would work, uploading an out-of-date plugin, check for updates to verify it recognizes an update is available, then enable the auto-update on that particular plugin and see if it updates automatically by WordPress.
For the cron part, you are likely correct - I am not intimately familiar with that level since moving to Cloudron for the app package, but I assumed this may be an issue because I thought the app package is calling the cron every 1-5 minutes, but yet the WordPress item is saying every 12 hours, so it seemed like a discrepancy and thus a possible issue. Plus the "disable core updates" plugin is there too which I felt may also interfere from auto-checks.
