Changes to WordPress apps
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@marcusquinn said in Changes to WordPress apps:
@Lonk Yeah, all the devs I work with go quiet when I tell them we're going to open-source years and millions of dollars of development work.
I believe in OS, making it happen just takes longer than even my ideologies hope for.
I'm an idealists. I was telling @girish in another thread - as long as you want to do that and you plan on doing it (we were talking about a
boxpatch) "I don't care about when". This is obviously just my own opinion. But I feel like you're contributing ideologically. It's not the actual action of doing so, it's the intention, even if you don't succeed. At least, that's how I feel. Plus, I'm pretty patient. One day is a perfect answer. Life is crazy and hectic and ever changing. -
@Lonk Watch this space - we'll make WP & Woocommerce a seriously fast and international enterprise app that anyone can build on!
It all started because we created what we wanted to use for our needs but did it in a way that should serve almost any.
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@marcusquinn said in Changes to WordPress apps:
@Lonk Watch this space - we'll make WP & Woocommerce a seriously fast and international enterprise app that anyone can build on!
It all started because we created what we wanted to use for our needs but did it in a way that should serve almost any.
Oh, you've def piqued my curiosity. I'll be watching the space for sure. I've been needing to get back into the WP community (specifically Post Status was my favorite Wordpress Community) anyway so I'll start paying attention more.
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@Lonk Did you try our plugin unloading plugin? That should give you some serious TTFBs
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We've just switch https://healthshop.net to run on Cloudron. 6,000 products, multilingual, multi-everything — and I know we still have a bunch more optimisations to go.
If ever anyone says WP & Woo can't scale, send them my way
Looking forward to getting into more Cloudron App optimisations.
Honestly, must have tried every other WP hosting on the planet by now - and none of them are truly optimised or even transparent about what they consider optimisation beyond their caching plugin masquerades.
Performance is about uncached code optimisation, and I still can't imagine any of the other so-called enterprise ecommerce platforms being able to do what we can with good old WP and it's community.
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@marcusquinn said in Changes to WordPress apps:
If ever anyone says WP & Woo can't scale, send them my way
I've been talking about the viability of Woo and Scaling for awhile so I'm excited to see what you've done (at a higher level than your normal communication about it) when you announce it fully.
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@Lonk said in Changes to WordPress apps:
The only think beyond those two things (which I could code easily to integrate with Cloudron) is real domain aliases (not redirections) would be needed.
I'd love to see WordPress Multisite on Cloudron.
As I understand it (one of) the problem(s) is that I don't think it's currently possible to have multiple domains pointing to the same Cloudron app, and imho we'd need that to work for Multisite to be useful (so that all the subsites within the multisite can be mapped to their own TLD).
I guess that is what you mean by real domain aliases?
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@Lonk Cool - I've never made any inroads in the WP & Woo community TBH, found it quite cliquey and in self-denial with many woocommerc.com plugins we had to fork and fix in desperation from their lack of quality-control.
I've got a fair few core improvement recommendations that fell on deaf ears too - but I'm certain we could make it the operating-system for any organisation.
I guess what we're doing is kinda like all the Cloudron Apps but as WP plugins. It is opinionated and anti-microservices though, so not for everyone - yet.
If you have any contacts that want to get serious about this kind of ambition, I'm always available to talk with fellows that aren't afraid to shoot for the moon.
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@jdaviescoates said in Changes to WordPress apps:
As I understand it (one of) the problem(s) is that I don't think it's currently possible to have multiple domains pointing to the same Cloudron app, and imho we'd need that to work for Multisite to be useful (so that all the subsites within the multisite can be mapped to their own TLD).
I guess that is what you mean by real domain aliases?Yes, a real domain alias so that Wordpress sees it and routes it accordingly. It's a built in feature of Wordpress in Multisite. It's unbelievably useful.
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@jdaviescoates In the meantime, people can reproduce most of what multi-site does with these plugins for those wanting each site to stay contained and portable for resources:
I do intend to have another look at multi-site at some point as a way of quickly firing up demo instances, so I agree on the need, we just wanted to solve the same things in a more segregated way to keep options open.
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@marcusquinn And that's the one area you and I diverge in which, I think, is good. You keep me thinking of the benefits of single site and I'll keep you thinking of the benefits of multisite.
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For interest, these aliases are all the same Cloudron app:
I'll ask the team for more details while we wait for an official option.
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I have pushed the fixes for the WordPress (Developer) app. See https://forum.cloudron.io/post/16775 . It now has LDAP support as well. New doc pages is at https://docs.cloudron.io/apps/wordpress-developer/
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@girish said in Changes to WordPress apps:
I have pushed the fixes for the WordPress (Developer) app. See https://forum.cloudron.io/post/16775 . It now has LDAP support as well. New doc pages is at https://docs.cloudron.io/apps/wordpress-developer/
Can you activate LDAP post-installation or would I have to re-install? I broke Cloudron rn so I can't test an app to try and see if it's in the configuration settings.
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@Lonk said in Changes to WordPress apps:
Can you activate LDAP post-installation or would I have to re-install?
Exactly what I'm thinking... I'll go and see...
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@jdaviescoates I’ve updated one of my wp apps, installed the ldap plugin used the managed ldap settings and (just to be sure) after a restart of the app ldap works!
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@imc67 said in Changes to WordPress apps:
installed the ldap plugin used the managed ldap settings
Aha, I also just updated and didn't see any LDAP support, but this is the step I'm missing!
@girish be nice if updating Unmanaged to the new Developer version auto-magically installed the LDAP plugin and settings!
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@imc67 said in Changes to WordPress apps:
@jdaviescoates I’ve updated one of my wp apps, installed the ldap plugin used the managed ldap settings and (just to be sure) after a restart of the app ldap works!
When you go to Access Control in your updated app are you now seeing this? (as per how it looks if you install and choose LDAP on install)
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@jdaviescoates said in Changes to WordPress apps:
@imc67 said in Changes to WordPress apps:
installed the ldap plugin used the managed ldap settings
Aha, I also just updated and didn't see any LDAP support, but this is the step I'm missing!
@girish be nice if updating Unmanaged to the new Developer version auto-magically installed the LDAP plugin and settings!
I would have missed that necessary step myself. The only reason I didn't check on my own install is because @girish made a "hot fix" for me for my development and I had a VM issue so I re-installed and was refusing to go through the setup because I was afraid cloudron-machine wouldn't work after setup. But @girish confirmed today it does work after setup so I'm going to have fun testing out this LDAP integration with WP and figure out how
cloudron-machineworks later.
