Reddit strike
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I am using (and loving!) Kbin as primary Reddit replacement. But I think I will never run it on my Cloudron.
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@Kubernetes why is that?
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@robi Just for legal and responsibility reasons. To maintain such a service is coming with huge responsibility. As much as I would like to support the Kbin community/eco system, at least as much I am afraid for what it means to be the service provider.
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@Kubernetes can it not be made private?
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Not necessarily, I think THAT'S undoubtedly the benefit of Fediverse Soft. I run my Mastodon Server for me, family and friends only, but they can participate with the rest of the fediverse and still rest assured that no idiotic mega corps is selling their data.
Others can read our posts, but I don't have to manage a bazillion idiots using my server
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@Kubernetes said in Reddit strike:
@robi Probably, but that is different from the intention of the service
But isn't decentralization the whole point of the fediverse? From my understanding thats exactly the intention of the service. You don't need to join a specific community to participate. You can read and comment everywhere, no matter what instance you are coming from.
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@Stardenver yes it is, but not if you make one part of the fediverse private?
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@Kubernetes said in Reddit strike:
@Stardenver yes it is, but not if you make one part of the fediverse private?
I believe that "privat" means "closed for registration". So its not really private but access to those small or single user instances is limited. At least thats what I understand.
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This strike will go on, I believe, as Steve Huffman continues to shine in the communication department:
Huffman says the blackout hasn’t had “significant revenue impact” and that the company anticipates that many of the subreddits will come back online by Wednesday. “There’s a lot of noise with this one. Among the noisiest we’ve seen. Please know that our teams are on it, and like all blowups on Reddit, this one will pass as well,” the memo reads. “We absolutely must ship what we said we would. The only long term solution is improving our product, and in the short term we have a few upcoming critical mod tool launches we need to nail.”
https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/13/23759559/reddit-internal-memo-api-pricing-changes-steve-huffman
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The shitshow continues - an interview with The Verge makes everything verge.... errr worse. His answers and arguments are really bad. He doesn’t acknowledge that AI scrapers abused their system, not apps to access and interact with Reddit (like Apollo and the like). He alos practically says they will imitate Apollo. Admits that they unreasonable timeline was a way to coerce deals.
https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/15/23762868/reddit-ceo-steve-huffman-interview
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For a Free Software, Free Speech supporting, distributed, censorship resistant alternative to Reddit which works now, try:
For the future, keep an eye on Plebbit, which has a semi-functional web version already, and which will be a stronger solution, using IPFS.
https://plebbitapp.eth.limo/#/
https://github.com/plebbit/whitepaper
https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/7267/plebbit-on-cloudron-anonymous-distributed-reddit-alternative?_=1686912438579 -
I still don't believe the federated system is the answer. It's just too complicated for the average user and gets in the way of the interesting exchanges you had on reddit.
Example: Stuff is on one server but not on the other - you want to add it, but it's not fully federated or suddenly - as in the case of beehaw - not federated anymore. It's just annoying. -
@necrevistonnezr said in Reddit strike:
I still don't believe the federated system is the answer. It's just too complicated for the average user and gets in the way of the interesting exchanges you had on reddit.
Example: Stuff is on one server but not on the other - you want to add it, but it's not fully federated or suddenly - as in the case of beehaw - not federated anymore. It's just annoying.Well, maybe when you mixe up some different kind of "social networks" using activity pub. I learned that people actually tend to adapt it very quick and successful, once you allow them to stay within some sort of well known environment. So its not that hard to convince someone to give Mastodon a try, as long as you keep it within Mastodon, at least for the beginning. People see it as some sort of independent Twitter. Things get confusing for people when you try to talk them into multi-network-stuff. Like mixing Mastodon and Peertube or Pixelfed. Gets very confusing.
I know what you mean and I understand and faced this problem, but there are several ways to avoid confusing people right at the beginning.
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@Stardenver Just look at this (on reddit
) : https://www.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/149sm0n/beehaw_defederating_from_lemmyworld_and/
If the admin of one instance decides to de-federate, you're suddenly cut off.I'm enjoying my time on kbin.social and I genuinely support the idea of federation, but... This is honestly the only major issue I have with the Fediverse. Most of my Reddit/social media posts are related to three or so niche interests. My first Mastodon account was on the central hub for one interest that later defederated with the central hub for another interest. Not being able to interact with 1/3rd of the people I want to interact with just defeats the whole point of joining these kinds of platforms. Moderators just carving out a chunk of the Fediverse for their users is just unacceptable.
