From the outside, Cloudron seems like an underdog but I think for most of the people it's good enough. If I compare costs and efforts for hosting and updating apps and infrastruture to what I have to do at the company I work for to do the same (with Ansible, Terraform, Docker Swarm etc.) than cloudron is mind blowing.
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RE: Upvote and review Cloudron on all the "alternative to" type websites to help grow the team and community
RE: Vikunja - The to-do app to organize your life.
I finally solved the sendmail problem. After reporting it upstream I figured a fix with the developer. It is fixed in the latest master. For this reason, the package is setting up vikunja using the master tag - I can change this once the fix is part of the next release.
Many thanks for your efforts!! I want to step away from Todoist and Vikunja was very nice from the start. Making it available through Cloudron is a big improvement for my users and myself.
RE: What do you do?
Hey community, I'll give it a shot: I'm a 34 years old sysadmin from Leipzig/Germany. Doing devops, IT support and a lot of hardware tinkering but will be unemployed in 2 weeks ^^ I'm also co-running a large (night)club and participate in some projects around events, arts and the culture scene here.
I my scene there is neither money nor space for business consulting and business solutions but there's a high demand for own, free and flexible IT infrastructure. I have been using Cloudron for about 3 years and helped some projects and freelancers to host their own.
RE: Proposal: Free-Tier Alterations <3
Hmm I can't agree with that.
For what cloudron offers, the free tier is unusually good. You can get a Synapse (Matrix) server with web client, backup and email server for free. You can host Nextcloud and Gitlab for free on a VPS that costs a few euros a month. You can create unlimited free small Cloudron instances and thus circumvent the app limit. You get the latest updates and can accommodate all users for a small business there. And all for free. Remember the good old times where there was something like premium apps (like Gitlab) which you couldn't use with the free plan?
The biggest barrier in my eyes is the price difference between the annual and monthly plan. If you want to evaluate Cloudron, the free plan is completely sufficient. If you want to use Cloudron privately, it is a big step to opt for the annual plan and the monthly plan is simply too expensive at 30$.
For companies, it is a no brainer to use the business plan because priority support is very important at this point. 60$ for this is justified.
I have a private (premium) Cloudron and two other instances (also premium) for small companys (sales of less than 500,000€ per year) I'm involved at. If I did not get the opportunity to use a voucher for my private Cloudron to get 15$ with the monthly tier, I would perhaps tend to upgrade the hardware for one of the other two Cloudrons and use their plan instead of creating my own instance.
I am also very against a one-time upgrade option. It is basically a very bad idea to host outdated software and link its safe operation to maintenance contracts (aka one time upgrade in this case).
PS: I have been wondering for a while why cloudron is not expanding as a company. Or do I not notice that? Still feels like a 2 person company + accounting and a few free devs.
RE: Status LDAP integration?
@imc67 I bought the LDAP extension but had no luck because I used the LAMP 7.4 package that includes the Cloudron LDAP addon. Sadly the Freescout documentation says PHP 7.3 and below is required because of
ldap_control_paged_result()I will keep testing with the Freescout app and report back.
RE: Encryption of stored emails
With SSH and root access, you can take action against security measures such as encryption at any time.
The best change in my opinion was that normal administrators (non superadmins) of Cloudron do not have access to the backup configuration. Otherwise every admin would have been able to access the data (including email) via the backup regardless of backup encryption.
For me as a server admin it still doesn't feel great that sensitive email data is unencrypted on an (external) server. In this case, encryption is just an additional layer, but it helps a bit. Feels like not encrypting your Windows laptop just because you don't trust Microsoft and Bitlocker....
RE: Error connecting Cloudron email to Gmail
As long as I remember Cloudron does not support POP3 so it should not be possible to add a Cloudron mail account into Gmail.
You can add a mail forward for incoming mails (ManageSieve) to your Cloudron and add your Cloudron account as "
Send as" address (SMTP) in Gmail.
RE: Status LDAP integration?
@girish basically yes. You can only install an module if you have the license key for it. The env's used by an module can be stored in configuration files beforehand. Usage is therefore opt-in and does not affect normal cloudron users without a license.
I like their concept and price model very much and it was easy for me to buy a few (lifetime) module licenses.
RE: How did everyone discover Cloudron?
Was actually kinda hard to find Cloudron. I was looking for ways to work with Softaculous and stumbled over Cloudron while surfing reddit.com/r/selfhosted ^^ I was even more surprised that I never heard about Cloudron because I live in Germany, work in IT and do a lot of administration and automation with Docker and Ansible.
Because Cloudron is a very small "company", their marketing and leads generation capabilities are limited. Now that the product is mature and easily scalable, something more should be done in this direction.
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Mixed content warning while embedding
I embedded Kimai into Nextcloud (
https://foo.bar) using the external sites addon. My embedded link looks like:
https://time.foo.bar/I also added CSP headers for Kimai to Kimai's security tab within Cloudron:
If I open the site through Nextcloud, I get a mixed content warning and no content at all.
Mixed Content: The page at 'https://foo.bar/apps/external/8' was loaded over HTTPS, but requested an insecure frame 'http://time.foo.bar/de/login'. This request has been blocked; the content must be served over HTTPS.
The reason of this is because the client is redirected to the login form without https and therefore blocked because of mixed content. It is well documented at the Kimai documentation why this happens and what to do.
In our case we can add our (Cloudron) docker proxy as trused proxy:
TRUSTED_PROXIES=172.18.0.1to Kimai's .env file. I can edit the .env file during runtime but I can't edit the env.template so my changes do not persist app restarts or updates.
RE: Backup Strategy Advice
so i switched to another option that i've seen mentioned in the forums here, which is to backup to a second cloudron using minio. and i'm happy to report that it's working fine. using an alphavps storage vps it's actually even cheaper, and it's quite convenient to have a further backup if needed.
I also did this and it's working fine. I choose a storage VPS at alphavps with 768MB RAM, 256GB HDD and 1TB bandwidth for 25€ per year. Had to resize the root partition and change the free RAM check at the Cloudron setup to be able to install Cloudron. After that I disabled local backups and installed Minio. Backup speed with rsync is okay for small setups and bandwidth should be suffisant since we're doing incremental backups.
PS: be aware that they freeze your server at bandwidth overuse
Are there any bandwidth overusage fees?
No! We understand how frustrating can bandwidth overusage fees be and we've taken a different approach, to ensure our flat and predictable pricing - when you come close to running out of bandwidth, we will send a warning emails. Should you not respond and upgrade the server, we'll suspend it automatically, until the bandwidth counter is reset.
RE: Orange circles in Services
@robi regarding to what? I had a similiar issue than other users (multiple false positive red circles) and I fixed it by disabling a Chrome addon (Dark Reader) that alters page CSS. I can reproduce it by enabling the addon for the dashboard domain.
Dark Reader turned on:
Dark Reader turned off:
RE: Orange circles in Services
@subven interesting that it shows an "active" tooltip. Is this state consistent across page reloads?
Mostly yes, red circles vary after reload. Seems to be my local Chrome because it works with FF and on other machines with Chrome. Strg+F5 and deleting the local site data storage does not help. It's fine for me since its only cosmetic.