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Mattermost vs Matrix/Element

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    • RazielKanosR RazielKanos

      @jdaviescoates said in Mattermost vs Matrix/Element:

      the community open source version of Mattermost has no permissions system and so anyone can change/ delete anything about any channel
      Matrix/ Element is fully open source and pretty cutting edge. It can be a bit harder to get started with but once you're in it works great.

      That's quite useful. πŸ™‚ I was also thinking about Matrix because other people can join without the need to create an account. And you don't want others to mess with your stuff πŸ˜„

      I think I'll go with Nextcloud Talk and Matrix than

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      @RazielKanos said in Mattermost vs Matrix/Element:

      I think I'll go with Nextcloud Talk and Matrix than

      You may not need Matrix at all if Nextcloud Talk fulfils your requirements.

      I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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        Want to say mattermost and Rocket.chat both have limitations on push notifications* where matrix/element is not limit if that’s a factor

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        • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

          @RazielKanos said in Mattermost vs Matrix/Element:

          I think I'll go with Nextcloud Talk and Matrix than

          You may not need Matrix at all if Nextcloud Talk fulfils your requirements.

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          @jdaviescoates from what i understand, Matroix has a better or more broader fediverse integration

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          • RazielKanosR RazielKanos

            @jdaviescoates from what i understand, Matroix has a better or more broader fediverse integration

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            @RazielKanos said in Mattermost vs Matrix/Element:

            Matroix has a better or more broader fediverse integration

            Sounds likely. Do you actually need fediverse integration though? πŸ™‚

            I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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              Also, keep in mind that it's easier to administer NC Talk than any of the other apps. I use both Matrix/Element & NC Talk. To keep it short. Talk is simple and it just works. No complex settings to worry about or anything that might give you a headache. Matrix is great too but with an added level of complexity that gives you more features like spaces where you can create subsections within your community. I have all rooms/chats encrypted and when a user logs in from a new device or from the web, they have to enter their decryption key to unlock chat history to avoid the red ! notification both for that user and everyone else in that chatroom. I also have it set where a user has to be verified for that extra security. For a large community, this could mean a lot of admin work and hassle for the regular user. I guess you could run unencrypted rooms but that kinda defeats the purpose of Matrix which is why I also use Talk for chitchats.

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                No issues with free and unlimited, just works, Nextcloud Talk push notifications, either. God know how Rocket Chat justify charging for those.

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                  I think element & matrix has the potential to be better than mattermost, but where element and matrix lack in features but have more stability mattermost has boards, playbooks and much more including lots of apps to help run an office, very close to Slack. The only issue we have is mattermost can be buggy, temperamental and resource hog, but running what I run on my mattermost server is the reason why my install of mattermost likes a lot of RAM.

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                    We have tried a few for our Animal Rescue.

                    • Mattermost
                    • Rocket Chat
                    • Matrix + Element
                    • Nextcloud

                    Out of all of them, we have had the most success from Mattermost. We use it in replacement of Slack.

                    We use boards on Mattermost for tasks and department task management. We use playbooks to do inductions and training. Lots of plugins and the ability to make your own.

                    Mattermost apps are good as well, The mobile apps let you record video messages and post them, and there are badges and all sorts.

                    The commands are good for novices, as when you select a command it gives you the next available so very easy and simple to use for newbies.

                    Jitsi for remote meetings and more.

                    Here is a screenshot for you to see how we use it.

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                    • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                      @RazielKanos said in Mattermost vs Matrix/Element:

                      The "office" will be Nextcloud

                      I which case I agree with others here that in the first instance you should just give Nextcloud Talk a try. It works pretty well, is nicely integrated with the rest of Nextcloud and is constantly getting improved.

                      But if I had to choose between Mattermost and Matrix/ Element I'd choose Matrix/ Element because afaik:

                      • the community open source version of Mattermost has no permissions system and so anyone can change/ delete anything about any channel
                      • Matrix/ Element is fully open source and pretty cutting edge. It can be a bit harder to get started with but once you're in it works great.
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                      @jdaviescoates

                      You need to get updated, the community edition does has the ability to set permissions on mattermost.

                      screenshot-nimbusweb.me-2023.08.30-05_51_46.png

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                        @jdaviescoates

                        You need to get updated, the community edition does has the ability to set permissions on mattermost.

                        screenshot-nimbusweb.me-2023.08.30-05_51_46.png

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                        @grimreaper said in Mattermost vs Matrix/Element:

                        @jdaviescoates

                        You need to get updated, the community edition does has the ability to set permissions on mattermost.

                        screenshot-nimbusweb.me-2023.08.30-05_51_46.png

                        Good to know, thanks for the update.

                        I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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