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  • B ByMynix

    @nebulon Okay, all right. As an example: The internet line from the router allows a speed of 250mbit and an upspeed of 50 mbit. So from home to public internet. When I am at home, is this also used, or does it communicate directly to the server in the home network?

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    @ByMynix said in Cloudron as home server, connection to the server:

    does it communicate directly to the server in the home network?

    Bump. I'm also interested in knowing this. My nextcloud home server is snappy fast when I'm not using a VPN. If I turn on the VPN, the page loading times increase tremendously. I'm wondering if the lag is caused by the VPN routing or is the server accessed internally when you're on the same network.

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    • B ByMynix

      Hi, I was running a baremetal server with Cloudron a while ago. Now I would like to switch to a home server. There is already a good blog post about this, but my question is about the connection to this server? Cloudron can be accessed via the normal web (domains) as soon as it is set up. As I'm not a network expert, to what extent can you use the full speed in your home network? Maybe a dumb question, but I hope you know what I mean.

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      @ByMynix said in Cloudron as home server, connection to the server:

      There is already a good blog post about this,

      https://blog.cloudron.io/installing-cloudron-on-a-home-server/

      There is indeed! By the way, that blog could be updated to suggest installing Noble Numbat (24.04 Ubuntu LTS) rather than Ubuntu Bionic (18.04 x64), @girish

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        I have added some additional docs here - https://docs.cloudron.io/installation/home-server/

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          @ByMynix said in Cloudron as home server, connection to the server:

          There is already a good blog post about this,

          https://blog.cloudron.io/installing-cloudron-on-a-home-server/

          There is indeed! By the way, that blog could be updated to suggest installing Noble Numbat (24.04 Ubuntu LTS) rather than Ubuntu Bionic (18.04 x64), @girish

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          @LoudLemur said in Cloudron as home server, connection to the server:

          There is indeed! By the way, that blog could be updated to suggest installing Noble Numbat (24.04 Ubuntu LTS) rather than Ubuntu Bionic (18.04 x64), @girish

          yes, we will support this once it is released which I think is April 25, 2024

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            Maybe we can add something about importance of the router in such a setup - it’s the central device that decides on the security, and the ease-of-use of such a setup.
            For example, my router, natively, supports WireGuard. Therefore, I don’t expose my SSH connections to the Internet. Instead, if I really need to SSH into my server outside of my home, I first connect via WireGuard and then work “locally”.

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              Maybe we can add something about importance of the router in such a setup - it’s the central device that decides on the security, and the ease-of-use of such a setup.
              For example, my router, natively, supports WireGuard. Therefore, I don’t expose my SSH connections to the Internet. Instead, if I really need to SSH into my server outside of my home, I first connect via WireGuard and then work “locally”.

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              @necrevistonnezr said in Cloudron as home server, connection to the server:

              For example, my router, natively, supports WireGuard.

              Do you have any suggestions on routers or a list which you created during your research?

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                I don't have an extensive list but mostly in Germany there is Fritz!Box which has wireguard support in the latest versions.

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                • girishG girish

                  I don't have an extensive list but mostly in Germany there is Fritz!Box which has wireguard support in the latest versions.

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                  @girish That's the one I use.

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                    I don't have an extensive list but mostly in Germany there is Fritz!Box which has wireguard support in the latest versions.

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                    @girish said in Cloudron as home server, connection to the server:

                    I don't have an extensive list but mostly in Germany there is Fritz!Box which has wireguard support in the latest versions.

                    LibreCMC has merged with LibreWRT. It is firmware which RYF (Respects Your Freedom). The supported hardware is here:

                    https://gogs.librecmc.org/libreCMC/libreCMC/wiki/Supported_Hardware
                    This is the most recent hardware on that list I think:
                    https://www.tp-link.com/us/home-networking/wifi-router/tl-wr1043nd/

                    OpenWRT has a table of hardware supported:
                    https://openwrt.org/toh/start

                    I don't think either of these mention Wireguard.

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                      @girish That's the one I use.

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                      @necrevistonnezr said in Cloudron as home server, connection to the server:

                      That's the one I use.

                      https://en.avm.de/products/fritzbox/fritzbox-5590-fiber/technical-specifications/

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                        Claude AI has the following to say about Asus routers and Wireguard.

                        https://www.asus.com/us/networking-iot-servers/wifi-routers/asus-wifi-routers/filter?Series=ASUS-WiFi-Routers

                        Based on checking Asus's current WiFi router lineup, here are some of their models that support WireGuard VPN natively:

                        RT-AX86U
                        RT-AX88U
                        RT-AX92U
                        RT-AX55
                        RT-AX58U
                        RT-AX3000
                        RT-AX86S
                        RT-AX68U
                        RT-AX82U
                        GT-AX11000
                        RT-AX89X
                        RT-AX56U
                        RT-AX86U (Aimesh)
                        Many of these are their newer and higher-end gaming/WiFi 6 routers. Asus seems to have added native WireGuard support starting with their 2020/2021 generation of routers and ongoing into their newer models.

                        The product pages for these routers specifically mention WireGuard support or compatibility. So these models should have WireGuard available in their stock firmware from Asus.

                        Other Asus router models not on this list may still support WireGuard via custom firmware like OpenWRT, but WireGuard is natively included on the routers listed above. Asus seems to be actively expanding WireGuard support across more of their lineup over time.

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                          Could Cloudron find some way of partnering with a company which produces routers, or a project which works on wireguard supporting firmware? I think reducing friction to self-hosting Cloudron at home could help Cloudron become more widely used.

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