Moodle Open Source Learning Platform
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@atrilahiji
Thanks for that tip, I will investigate.
Hopefully it's scalable from there as I am not sure all the text/pdf + video content should be stored in the app.
How well does Moodle handle externalizing content via embeddings?@robi I'm throwing together a package now to test the process of making an app for Moodle. I'll see if I can automate more (I work on Moodle and surrounding apps for my job).
As for your question, I am not sure what you mean exactly. I would generally suggest ALWAYS using an external source to store large files as Moodle handles is poorly. The institution I work at always recommends using something like Google Drive and then embedding the content.
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@robi np
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@atrilahiji Sounds like an excellent start. BTW, I see you started out with Lamp app. It probably has a lot of superfluous stuff like FTP support etc. You can instead trim it down to be like say the https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/snipeit-app app or any of the other PHP apps. Thanks for working on this!
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@atrilahiji Sounds like an excellent start. BTW, I see you started out with Lamp app. It probably has a lot of superfluous stuff like FTP support etc. You can instead trim it down to be like say the https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/snipeit-app app or any of the other PHP apps. Thanks for working on this!
@girish Good suggestion! I'll look at the other PHP apps for reference. I know Moodle has a non interactive install process so im hoping to leverage that to automate this a bit. Right now its the LAMP stack with a pre-populated public folder. It just makes it slightly easier to deploy? I was going to say that BBB would be an amazing choice on top of this, as Moodle + BBB work quite well together. I know the greenlight app is being worked on but maybe someone can look at the BBB server too? (call to someone out there to help! :D)
My schedule is very tight so it might take me a bit to get something proper working for Moodle. I will definitely welcome collaboration if anyone else would like to pitch in!
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@girish Good suggestion! I'll look at the other PHP apps for reference. I know Moodle has a non interactive install process so im hoping to leverage that to automate this a bit. Right now its the LAMP stack with a pre-populated public folder. It just makes it slightly easier to deploy? I was going to say that BBB would be an amazing choice on top of this, as Moodle + BBB work quite well together. I know the greenlight app is being worked on but maybe someone can look at the BBB server too? (call to someone out there to help! :D)
My schedule is very tight so it might take me a bit to get something proper working for Moodle. I will definitely welcome collaboration if anyone else would like to pitch in!
@atrilahiji isn't BigBlueButton (BBB) just a plugin for Moodle?
Looks like just a drop-in zip file.
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for a dedicated education app. Remote learning is certainly new ground to many and a Cloudron solution to that would be good for many organisations.
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@girish Good suggestion! I'll look at the other PHP apps for reference. I know Moodle has a non interactive install process so im hoping to leverage that to automate this a bit. Right now its the LAMP stack with a pre-populated public folder. It just makes it slightly easier to deploy? I was going to say that BBB would be an amazing choice on top of this, as Moodle + BBB work quite well together. I know the greenlight app is being worked on but maybe someone can look at the BBB server too? (call to someone out there to help! :D)
My schedule is very tight so it might take me a bit to get something proper working for Moodle. I will definitely welcome collaboration if anyone else would like to pitch in!
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@girish Good suggestion! I'll look at the other PHP apps for reference. I know Moodle has a non interactive install process so im hoping to leverage that to automate this a bit. Right now its the LAMP stack with a pre-populated public folder. It just makes it slightly easier to deploy? I was going to say that BBB would be an amazing choice on top of this, as Moodle + BBB work quite well together. I know the greenlight app is being worked on but maybe someone can look at the BBB server too? (call to someone out there to help! :D)
My schedule is very tight so it might take me a bit to get something proper working for Moodle. I will definitely welcome collaboration if anyone else would like to pitch in!
@atrilahiji said in Moodle Open Source Learning Platform:
maybe someone can look at the BBB server too? (call to someone out there to help! :D)
I'm hoping that as soon as BBB 2.3 is released (which is compatible with Ubuntu 18.04 unlike the existing releases which still only run on 16.04!) @girish & @nebulon (& or others in the community) will begin packaging BBB.
See this thread:
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@atrilahiji Thanks for doing this. I recently was running my Moodle in the LAMP app and it worked well. How will the packaged Moodle you're working on handle upgrades?
@scooke good question. It shouldn’t be an issue as far as I can tell. Again the package needs a lot of work before it’s ready but I imagine we’d just swap out the contents of the public folder and it would trigger an upgrade when you go to the site.
Right now I’m trying to automate any config I can and perhaps get LDAP working??? The problem is it makes an admin account in the setup. Unsure how to get around that.
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@scooke good question. It shouldn’t be an issue as far as I can tell. Again the package needs a lot of work before it’s ready but I imagine we’d just swap out the contents of the public folder and it would trigger an upgrade when you go to the site.
Right now I’m trying to automate any config I can and perhaps get LDAP working??? The problem is it makes an admin account in the setup. Unsure how to get around that.
@atrilahiji said in Moodle Open Source Learning Platform:
The problem is it makes an admin account in the setup. Unsure how to get around that.
Quite a few apps on Cloudron do that.
Generally some initial set-up instructions are given at install for how to access the default admin account it creates, and then you login using that, change the password and make an LDAP user an admin too.
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@robi @girish Made a couple of changes. Definitely open to feedback.
https://git.cloudron.io/AtriLahiji/moodle
Still need to figure out LDAP.
EDIT: Unsure if LDAP config is something I can automate. Perhaps I'll document it away unless someone else has any ideas.
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I found this tool - https://moosh-online.com/commands/ . It seems to be able to install plugins via the
plugin-installcommand.Thanks @atrilahiji . @nebulon and I will take a look sometime this week on how to move this forward and get it published.
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@robi Thats a plugin to integrate with a BigBlueButton server. You'd still need to host the BBB server and then use that plugin to let instructors create sessions straight from the LMS.
@atrilahiji said in Moodle Open Source Learning Platform:
@robi Thats a plugin to integrate with a BigBlueButton server. You'd still need to host the BBB server and then use that plugin to let instructors create sessions straight from the LMS.
Oh I see, just like OnlyOffice with NextCloud. That begs the question, does Moodle integrate with NextCloud?
The NextCloud Talk (spreed) audio/video is a great replacement for zoom/webex/kopano/jitsi!
If so, no need for BBB.
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@atrilahiji said in Moodle Open Source Learning Platform:
@robi Thats a plugin to integrate with a BigBlueButton server. You'd still need to host the BBB server and then use that plugin to let instructors create sessions straight from the LMS.
Oh I see, just like OnlyOffice with NextCloud. That begs the question, does Moodle integrate with NextCloud?
The NextCloud Talk (spreed) audio/video is a great replacement for zoom/webex/kopano/jitsi!
If so, no need for BBB.
@robi Looks like this is possible in core as of Moodle 3.6. Current latest is 3.9.2+.
Source: https://moodle.com/news/nextcloud-integration-in-moodle-3-6-open-source-supporting-open-source/
Looks like its only a repository, meaning it integrates with the file picker similar to local files and google drive.
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I found this tool - https://moosh-online.com/commands/ . It seems to be able to install plugins via the
plugin-installcommand.Thanks @atrilahiji . @nebulon and I will take a look sometime this week on how to move this forward and get it published.
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@atrilahiji Yes, it will help if you can remove all the non-essential code from the app. I think because you started from the LAMP stack, there's lots of extra stuff:
- Can remove the RPAF thing - https://git.cloudron.io/AtriLahiji/moodle/-/blob/master/Dockerfile#L34 (the whole section can be removed till line 44)
- Remove phpMyAdmin (like 46-49)
- Remove cron (line 51-54)
- Remove iconcube (line 56-64)
- You can even remove supervisor altogether and just straight run apache
Same goes for start.sh.
- Remove cron/phpmyadmin/credentials stuff. Line 16-57
You can look at https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/directus-app for inspiration. Let us know if you need help!
