Odoo - distributed business apps
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@luckow How much additional memory is Odoo using?
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@LoudLemur this is package default:
Memory Limit : 2.5 GBNo idea if this is right or wrong. In my (few) test, the app is responsible.
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BrutalBirdie
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Hey,
I'm cross-posting a message sent in the sponsoring odoo topic.
For those interested in Odoo V10 CE, I've just updated my last script here :
https://git.cloudron.io/altsyst/odoo10-ce-appI'm not maintaining it anymore, but it's working well for two years now (working with the ldap cloudron server).
Enjoy
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@samir Is the install process the same as the other recently shared Odoo?
A life lived in fear is a life half-lived
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@samir Thank you very much for this. I know you are no longer maintaining this, but is it possible before you leave the project, if it does not take too much time, to incorporate the new script suggested here:
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@girish Would it be possible to pick up the slack and add Odoo or Flectra in the near future to Cloudron? This would be amazing.
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@LoudLemur The current script is based on the Yenthe666 script, I will publish an odoo12-ce-app very soon. It's pretty easy to adapt the script for odoo13 if you want it, though I've heard (to confirm) that the odoo based on even version are usually more stable than the odd one... I tend to pass the odd version, waiting for the even one.
In my opinion, it makes sense to have separate repo for each odoo version. It's not obvious to update a odoo version, since it requires a special script to update the database (and other stuff...)
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I've just published the cloudron custom app odoo 12 CE here :
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For using the cloudron ldap :
- Create first the user in odoo with an empty password
- open the ldap parameters in odoo (as admin, config>settings)
- enter into an odoo terminal and get the cloudron ldap parameters
- fill in the ldap cloudron parameters (ldap server address, binddn, port, password)
- For LDAP base : ou=users,dc=cloudron
- restart odoo app (or cloudron, I don't remember)
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@samir Attempting from your script, stuck in a loop:
Traceback (most recent call last):
Apr 08 12:52:02 File "/app/code/odoo-server/odoo-bin", line 5, in <module>
Apr 08 12:52:02 import odoo
Apr 08 12:52:02 File "/app/code/odoo-server/odoo/init.py", line 125, in <module>
Apr 08 12:52:02 from . import modules
Apr 08 12:52:02 File "/app/code/odoo-server/odoo/modules/init.py", line 8, in <module>
Apr 08 12:52:02 from . import db, graph, loading, migration, module, registry
Apr 08 12:52:02 File "/app/code/odoo-server/odoo/modules/loading.py", line 17, in <module>
Apr 08 12:52:02 import odoo.modules.migration
Apr 08 12:52:02 File "/app/code/odoo-server/odoo/modules/migration.py", line 12, in <module>
Apr 08 12:52:02 from odoo.modules.module import get_resource_path
Apr 08 12:52:02 File "/app/code/odoo-server/odoo/modules/module.py", line 25, in <module>
Apr 08 12:52:02 from odoo import SUPERUSER_ID, api
Apr 08 12:52:02 File "/app/code/odoo-server/odoo/api.py", line 1198, in <module>
Apr 08 12:52:02 from odoo.modules.registry import Registry
Apr 08 12:52:02 File "/app/code/odoo-server/odoo/modules/registry.py", line 18, in <module>
Apr 08 12:52:02 from odoo.sql_db import TestCursor
Apr 08 12:52:02 File "/app/code/odoo-server/odoo/sql_db.py", line 49, in <module>
Apr 08 12:52:02 import tools
Apr 08 12:52:02 ImportError: No module named 'tools'
Apr 08 12:52:10 => Ensure directories
Apr 08 12:52:10 => Patch config file
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@doodlemania2 which script? Odoo 10 or odoo 12? Could you fill an issue on git directly to keep track of the issue? Thanks!
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@samir that was from 12, will do so!
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@girish Is this ready to be included as an experimental status Cloudron application yet?
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@LoudLemur I don't think so - at least not yet. Unable to get it to install cleanly on my CR server, but I think it's close.
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What is the latest on installing Odoo? Is it ready as a Cloudron Beta application yet?
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@LoudLemur nope.
but it's been working as a custom app on one of my instances for a few weeks. to get an idea of how odoo works and what you need to learn to implement an erp system in your company, it's top. as a reliable critical app for your company (without knowledge about content migration), you should wait until odoo is an official cloudron app. -
@luckow When that day happens, I shall be grinning from ear to ear! I shall probably be jumping up and down in joy too!
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@nj thanks for your packaging efforts! I just tried to run odoo and it wouldn't start, it was always looping the
First run. Initializing DB...bit. I've jumped in the terminal and ran the cmds manually and eventually figured out, that the/app/dataneeded chowning to the cloudron-user before it worked - which it now does! So all we need to do is add/app/data/to https://github.com/njsubedi/cloudron-odoo/blob/main/start.sh#L17 -
@msbt Odoo Community edition hosted on Cloudron would be a massive value add to the Cloudron portfolio. I totally recommend using Cloudron in a business to structure and improve processes. Unless your company has the budget to run Salesforce, or Service Now to do the same.
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@makemrproper There is a large and active development community for Odoo. I think it would be quite excited to hear about a Beta of Odoo on Cloudron and they could contribute quite a lot. Hopefully, the other great applications available on Cloudron would catch their notice too, and people would join us.
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@nebulon
I hope we are still making progress on supporting Odoo Community Edition on Cloudron.I think Cloudron users are aware of how powerful a tool Cloudron is. Odoo is a bit like Cloudron, in that it offers one click deployment of modules.
Unlike Cloudron, all the modules on Odoo are built to be interoperable. They push data to each other as needed, populating fields and helping you with auto-fill and reducing laboriousness of many manual tasks.
If you are familiar with Nextcloud (which is of course on Cloudron) then you will be right at home with Odoo.
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@LoudLemur I too hope to see odoo in Cloudron soon. A lot of things would be simplified for us.
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@nebulon What is the latest on packaging Odoo for Cloudron? Is there any more progress?
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@LoudLemur looks like no one is working on this
It seems @nj and @samir managed to package it, but I have no idea how to test a custom app
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Come on, Cloudron team, please help the last stage of having Odoo supported on Cloudron!
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This App request was made over 4 year ago. It is still a brilliant suggestion.
Odoo 16 has just been released. You can see the new features in the following videos:
Meet Odoo 16 - All the New Features:
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=RVFZL3D9plgWhat is new in Odoo 16 - Keynote:
https://yewtu.be/watch?v=UhEqLlbeLzMOdoo 16 Release Notes:
https://www.odoo.com/odoo-16-release-notes -
@LoudLemur Odoo is not an easy app to selfhost. And to add to that, it's non-trivial to make keep this app updated and help people migrate across versions (like they expect Cloudron apps to) with our current pricing model and target group. Odoo itself is a framework to run apps and each app has it's own updates. It's all very complex.
Not to say we won't package this, but it's not a priority.
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@LoudLemur do you possibly have a business case here?
I mean that if you have Odoo working, it would allow you to do X, which will give you an opportunity do Y, so it will generate you Z amount of money and hence you are ready to pay W for that?
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@girish Your answer already takes away all my hope.
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@girish said in Odoo - distributed business apps:
Odoo is not an easy app to selfhost.
And I kinda wonder if it is suitable for a VPS running Cloudron which is running probably quite a few other apps.
Maybe totally fine if you have a beefy VPS.
But I wonder how many do have spare resources to that extent.Any ERP package tends to have its own ecosystem, and my guess would be best installed on a standalone VPS.
Doesn't a key business resource deserve its own home?
That's how I would tackle it anyway. If I ever have to something ERP-like.
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@girish said in Odoo - distributed business apps:
@LoudLemur Odoo is not an easy app to selfhost. And to add to that, it's non-trivial to make keep this app updated and help people migrate across versions (like they expect Cloudron apps to) with our current pricing model and target group. Odoo itself is a framework to run apps and each app has it's own updates. It's all very complex.
Not to say we won't package this, but it's not a priority.
I think Odoo becomes complex when it is customized, which usually happens through use of Odoo Studio, a proprietary component which is not available in the Community Edition.
I see Odoo as being quite like NextCloud, which Cloudron already supports. Odoo refers to its various components as modules. Odoo modules are more like extensions that can be added, rather than additional applications. Some Cloudron applications like NodeBB have a Calendar extension, for example.
All the official Odoo modules work out of the box with the unmodified Odoo. Once a year, there is a big, new, Odoo release. That release is designed so that upgrades from the earlier version ought to work smoothly, with just a click.
Many experienced users of Odoo say the secret to a happy life with it is to stick to unmodified versions. I think that sort of support, an annual update, might be something Cloudron could achieve without too much difficulty, once the initial packaging was completed.
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@timconsidine said in Odoo - distributed business apps:
That's how I would tackle it anyway. If I ever have to something ERP-like.
Hope not. Wasted too many years on them.Hi, I wonder what it was that eventually led you away from using ERPs.
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It is just that I like the way Odoo integrates several different functionalities into one structure and pushes information between the various modules. If Odoo were more easily deployable, more people could use it to, for example, manage their own lives and take care of their families efficiently.
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@LoudLemur thank you.
The reason I'm asking, it's that I'm looking if there is some product next to Cloudron or on top of that, addressing some of the limitations of Cloudron.
But so far, I can't find a business model for all of the things that cloudron doesn't do.
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@potemkin_ai said in Odoo - distributed business apps:
@LoudLemur thank you.
The reason I'm asking, it's that I'm looking if there is some product next to Cloudron or on top of that, addressing some of the limitations of Cloudron.
But so far, I can't find a business model for all of the things that cloudron doesn't do.
Odoo is an Enterprise Management tool (ERP - Enterprise Resource Planning Tool). With it, people can manage practically all aspects of a small or even large business. I don't know how Cloudron would help manage to do that at the moment.
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@LoudLemur let me oppose you - not for the sake of the arguing, but as my way to find what I could be missing here.
I don't have an ERP experience that girish had, so no negative strings attached here - my experience is either a small company, that I custom developed, quite a trivial app, or behemoths like SAP in large companies.
With this said, I can hardly imagine at least 200 users on earth doing home / family management in a commercial system, so we left with small, medium and big business here.
My guess is that small business would rather start with something Excel based, as they don't have process yet and the main goal of that business is to do the business - there is probably no much budget for anything else, including migration.
Large business won't suit cloudron model - as per the platform requirements / limitations, you should not expect it to serve more than 100 users. Nor, I believe, Odoo can compete with SAP, but I might be very much wrong here.
So that leaves us with medium business, probably small to medium as well.
From my ERP and IT management experience, it's either business embrace IT platform way of doing business or vice verca.
Let's say it's 50/50 and from what I understood, cloudron can only serve the businesses that are happy to consume odoo as is, leaving the other half out of the board.I would guess having at least 100 businesses of that kind, that are ready to chip in for the custom development of odoo would make it real, otherwise, I guess it's a risky investment, that no one is willing to make.
Do you believe you know someone who is that much interested?
Or is there something you believe I'm missing?
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@LoudLemur have you actually ever used Odoo? Given you are so enthusiastic about it, I'm guessing perhaps not?!?
I've no doubt that an Odoo expert can make it do all sorts of things that provide all sorts of needs for some companies.
But in my limited experience of playing around with it I found it severely lacking, and with a terribly confusing UX.
Pretty much all the things it does are done MUCH better by other tools that focuses on doing that task rather than hacking together an Odoo module that kinda sorta does it.
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@jdaviescoates said in Odoo - distributed business apps:
@LoudLemur have you actually ever used Odoo? Given you are so enthusiastic about it, I'm guessing perhaps not?!?
I've no doubt that an Odoo expert can make it do all sorts of things that provide all sorts of needs for some companies.
But in my limited experience of playing around with it I found it severely lacking, and with a terribly confusing UX.
Pretty much all the things it does are done MUCH better by other tools that focuses on doing that task rather than hacking together an Odoo module that kinda sorta does it.
Yes, I have used it. I think it is easier if you are able to begin with a philosophy that you are going to grow into Odoo, rather grow Odoo into the way you are. There is a request now for Axelor, which you might like.
https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/1404/axelor-a-flexible-erp-in-java/6
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Looks like someone solved the missing Odoo Studio for the community edition. Does look nifty:
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@marcusquinn said in Odoo - distributed business apps:
Looks like someone solved the missing Odoo Studio for the community edition. Does look nifty:
This is great news, as quite a few people would say that Odoo Studio was a must-have, if you were to run Odoo, but the Studio module is non-Free.
If anybody is in London next week, Odoo are having a live event there in the evening of Tuesday, January the 17th:
https://www.odoo.com/event/odoo-roadshow-london-3628/register
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Odoo is an odd framework, because what you see on their SaaS version isn't all open-source, their SaaS version doesn't accept community add-ons, and the community open-source is missing many of the apps the SaaS has, so there's a marketplace for clones of them.
Basically, if you never want to do anything the SaaS doesn't offer, nor get involved with any development, SaaS makes sense for business.
If you find SaaS limitations that you can't build with the SaaS Studio, you need to go community-edition and buy a load of add-ons to reproduce the same, with the then responsibility of maintaining the codebase, but advantage of not being taxed with per-user costs on growth in the number of users.
I like Odoo a lot, it's just a bit quirky, and you are very much either SaaS OR CE, and support is either direct for SaaS or community for CE, neither wants to support the other, and you can't mix — if you choose the SaaS, you can't use any community add-ons or custom code, if you choose CE, you can't use any of the SaaS apps that haven't been open-sourced or cloned by the community.
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@LoudLemur No I don't like Axelor. I like Odoo.
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@jdaviescoates said in Odoo - distributed business apps:
But in my limited experience of playing around with it I found it severely lacking, and with a terribly confusing UX.
Pretty much all the things it does are done MUCH better by other tools that focuses on doing that task rather than hacking together an Odoo module that kinda sorta does it.This is wrong.
It is not confusing and provides a clean UX.
The functionality that it offers out of the standard modules are great, and provides plenty of value as they come.
I have used them for business scenarios on and off for 10 years.
If one wants to customize a system, one needs to learn this which is in itself a tradecraft. In Odoo's case it is similar to customizing Salesforce. This requires a developer attitude.
Please if you want to continue down this rabbit hole discussion, please list tools which are much better suited that replace Odoo.
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@makemrproper said in Odoo - distributed business apps:
@jdaviescoates said in Odoo - distributed business apps:
But in my limited experience of playing around with it I found it severely lacking, and with a terribly confusing UX.
Pretty much all the things it does are done MUCH better by other tools that focuses on doing that task rather than hacking together an Odoo module that kinda sorta does it.This is wrong.
It is not confusing and provides a clean UX.
The functionality that it offers out of the standard modules are great, and provides plenty of value as they come.
I have used them for business scenarios on and off for 10 years.It's not wrong, it's just a different perspective.
I was just using their website module which imho was (and very likely still is) "severely lacking, and with a terribly confusing UX" (compared to pretty much any modern website building system, but I was mostly comparing it to WordPress given that's by far the most widely used system).
@makemrproper said in Odoo - distributed business apps:
Please if you want to continue down this rabbit hole discussion, please list tools which are much better suited that replace Odoo.
In this specific instance, fulfilling the needs of this specific client was much easier with WordPress, plus an additional forms plugins (forminator in that case).
@makemrproper said in Odoo - distributed business apps:
I have used them for business scenarios on and off for 10 years.
I think that is likely why you don't find the UX frustrating
I don't doubt for a moment that it's possible to get great value from Odoo - clearly LOTS of people do. But it does seem to need quite a bit of learning before being able to do so effectively.
