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    Solved Matrix.org Rooms from my Server?

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    • doodlemania2
      doodlemania2 App Dev last edited by girish

      Getting an odd message (example):
      Riot failed to get the public room list. No key for <mydomainname>.net with ids in ['ed25519:a_DXwR'] (min_validity 1590775063617)
      ...when I try to browse rooms on matrix.org's servers from my Cloudron installation?

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      • doodlemania2
        doodlemania2 App Dev last edited by

        Anyone have any ideas? I guess I could try reinstalling??

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        • M
          msbt App Dev last edited by

          Are you using your own matrix server or just the riot installation? One thing that happens often when listing/joining bigger matrix channels: not enough ram on your machine. bigger channels requires 2GB an more RAM to join.

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          • girish
            girish Staff last edited by

            @doodlemania2 Can you tell me your setup a bit more. Is it matrix+synapse? I will try to reproduce this locally.

            Another user reported this is https://forum.cloudron.io/topic/2608/matrix-federation

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            • toto.s
              toto.s last edited by

              @girish I see the same problem here!
              I use the server, Riot for Linux Desktop and RiotX on my Galaxy S20.
              The server has 4096 MB Ram available

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              • doodlemania2
                doodlemania2 App Dev last edited by

                Hey @girish - yeah, it's matrix+synapse ... trying to search rooms on matrix.org. My local rooms seem okay.

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                • girish
                  girish Staff last edited by

                  @doodlemania2 @toto-s Trying to reproduce it locally

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                  • girish
                    girish Staff last edited by

                    On my install, I got a different error:

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                    • girish
                      girish Staff last edited by girish

                      I cleared the browser cache and the listing started working.

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                      But joining a room fails:

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                      • girish
                        girish Staff last edited by

                        As @msbt said, joining smaller rooms (~1k participants) works. If I join larger rooms, the server runs out of memory and I get the CORS error in the UI.

                        17:05:07 - 2020-06-03 00:05:07,447 - synapse.http.matrixfederationclient - 165 - INFO - POST-109 - {PUT-O-160} [matrix.org] Completed: 200 OK
                        17:05:13 - /app/pkg/start.sh: line 80:    95 Killed                  
                        

                        I bumped up the app's RAM to 2GB and I can connect to all rooms.

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                        • girish
                          girish Staff last edited by

                          @doodlemania2 @toto-s Did you change the location/domain of your matrix install by any chance? If so, I think I have a guess as to what is causing the problem. Do you have a file named /app/data/configs/signing.key ?

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                          • toto.s
                            toto.s last edited by

                            Yes, the signing.key file exists!

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                            • girish
                              girish Staff last edited by

                              Mmm, I am out of ideas here. Out of curiosity, have you guys already tried re-installing? I can't find any related issue on matrix issue tracker either.

                              Can you try re-installing and try to reproduce this? If it's reproducible, can you give me access (support -> enable remote support) and send us a mail at support@cloudron with the domain name. Thanks!

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                              • doodlemania2
                                doodlemania2 App Dev last edited by

                                Will do so today to see if I can make it go!

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                                • doodlemania2
                                  doodlemania2 App Dev last edited by

                                  Yeah, reinstallation gave the same error Riot failed to get the public room list. No key for thedoodleproject.net with ids in ['ed25519:a_HtQW'] (min_validity 1591297300437)...sadness. Will email ya.

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                                  • JOduMonT
                                    JOduMonT last edited by

                                    got the same error when I try to search in Matrix

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                                    also if I try to join public group such as: #techlore:matrix.org
                                    https://riot.im/app/#/room/#techlore:matrix.org

                                    the result is:
                                    bf2676cd-f6f9-4fbb-9bd7-ba36d408bbce-image.png

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                                    • girish
                                      girish Staff last edited by

                                      @JOduMonT The M_UNKNOWN issue is related to memory limit. When you join large matrix groups like techlore, you have to bump the memory limit to atleast 2-3GB. Can you try joining a smaller group as well?

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                                      • girish
                                        girish Staff last edited by

                                        @doodlemania2 I replied to you from support couple of days ago, I need access to your server to debug further 🙂

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                                        • girish
                                          girish Staff last edited by

                                          @doodlemania2 Thanks for giving access to your server. The issue was that federation setup was incorrect:

                                          • @doodlemania2 had setup the well-known correctly
                                          • But there was no app installed on domain.com. Without this, Cloudron will not respond to domain.com and thus the well-known setup won't work.
                                          • To fix: I installed a dummy app on domain.com. I then checked in https://federationtester.matrix.org/ that the setup was correct.
                                          • I waited for couple of hours since matrix.org seems to cache the DNS a bit and it had cached the previous NXDOMAIN. After that it works.

                                          @toto-s Can you check with federation tester?

                                          It's working now:

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                                          • doodlemania2
                                            doodlemania2 App Dev last edited by

                                            Well that's outstanding! I guess suggest would be to add that requirement to the instructions for Matrix app?

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                                            • girish
                                              girish Staff last edited by

                                              Yeah, I think this can be avoided by having some .well-known UI in cloudron. Currently, it seems a bit complicated to explain (this is actually in our docs, but I guess it's not easy to follow)

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                                              • toto.s
                                                toto.s @girish last edited by

                                                @girish I sent you an email with my domain!

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                                                • JOduMonT
                                                  JOduMonT @girish last edited by

                                                  @girish said in Matrix.org Rooms from my Server?:

                                                  @JOduMonT The M_UNKNOWN issue is related to memory limit. When you join large matrix groups like techlore, you have to bump the memory limit to atleast 2-3GB. Can you try joining a smaller group as well?

                                                  I gave 3GB to Riot and 3GB to Matrix and logout and login but I still have this error.

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                                                  • girish
                                                    girish Staff last edited by

                                                    @JOduMonT Are you able to join other groups?

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                                                    • girish
                                                      girish Staff last edited by

                                                      @toto-s Sent you a mail from support but the federation is not setup for your domain. Can you review the post installation again at https://cloudron.io/documentation/apps/synapse/#post-installation ? Let me know if something is not clear and I can clarify or fixup the docs. The main things is that the below command should work as a first step. For you domain, it doesn't work because there is nothing installed there.

                                                      ~$ curl https://domain.com/.well-known/matrix/server
                                                      curl: (6) Could not resolve host: domain.com
                                                      
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                                                      • JOduMonT
                                                        JOduMonT @girish last edited by JOduMonT

                                                        @girish sadly no I still have this error when I try to explore group
                                                        Riot failed to get the public room list. No key for mydomain.tld with ids in ['ed25519:a_tHTB'] (min_validity 1592294601615)

                                                        and when I try to join I still have the same error too
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                                                        so I don't think it is related to the memory 🙂

                                                        BTW: I forgot to mention, Cloudron is behind a firewall in a DMZ zone but my provider seams enjoying blocking port,
                                                        which port matrix/riot need ?

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                                                        • M
                                                          msbt App Dev last edited by

                                                          the default federation port is 8448, but on cloudron it is different, you can try 8008 and check if that's working

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                                                          • girish
                                                            girish Staff @JOduMonT last edited by

                                                            @JOduMonT said in Matrix.org Rooms from my Server?:

                                                            Riot failed to get the public room list. No key for mydomain.tld with ids in ['ed25519:a_tHTB'] (min_validity 1592294601615)

                                                            This is most likely to do with federation not setup properly. Can you send me a mail to support@cloudron.io with your domain name and I can tell you what is going wrong.

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                                                            • girish
                                                              girish Staff @msbt last edited by

                                                              @msbt

                                                              @msbt said in Matrix.org Rooms from my Server?:

                                                              the default federation port is 8448, but on cloudron it is different, you can try 8008 and check if that's working

                                                              We switched the federation port to 443. (So it's both the client port and the federation port)

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                                                              • M
                                                                msbt App Dev last edited by

                                                                ah thanks @girish, was wondering why none of the others were exposed, that explains it 😄

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                                                                • JOduMonT
                                                                  JOduMonT @girish last edited by

                                                                  @girish said in Matrix.org Rooms from my Server?:

                                                                  This is most likely to do with federation not setup properly. Can you send me a mail to support@cloudron.io with your domain name and I can tell you what is going wrong.

                                                                  thank for you help and your explanation

                                                                  so basically I have this issue because the .well-known dir is not present, but also because my root domain (https://mydomain.tld) don't point to my cloudflare server

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                                                                  • JOduMonT
                                                                    JOduMonT last edited by JOduMonT

                                                                    thank again @girish

                                                                    In my project Gatsby I created the file static/.well-known/matrix/server
                                                                    as mentioned in the doc
                                                                    and now I could Explore rooms on matrix.org even if riot have only 256mb of RAM and matrix 512mb 🙂

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                                                                    • rmdes
                                                                      rmdes last edited by rmdes

                                                                      I followed the post-install instructions, managed to list rooms,but can't join them :
                                                                      this is my federation tester results : https://federationtester.matrix.org/#rmendes.net
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                                                                      Not sure what else I can do 😕

                                                                      This is what I see when trying to join a public room :
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                                                                      I have no idea what changed but I joined Cloudron room from searching it on the matrix server public rooms, also managed to join another linux room, but If i try to join the main matrix room on the matrix server I get this repeatedly :

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                                                                      If I try again, it keeps looping in this state :

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                                                                      I'm not sure it's related but on the Element log I can see this error, it's the only error that keeps repeating : Oct 08 16:01:27 [2020-10-08T14:01:27.135Z] "GET /config.chat.rmendes.net.json?cachebuster=1602165687021" Error (404): "Not found"

                                                                      As if instead of looking for the config file where it is, it is pointing to a non existing place where there is obviously no config file ?

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                                                                      • rmdes
                                                                        rmdes last edited by rmdes

                                                                        I'm confused even more now, I can join some rooms but not others, and I don't see any logical reason that some room on the same server (official matrix) can be joined and others not...

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                                                                        You don't see it on this screenshot but server connection seems to be unstable, sometimes I can display the chat of a joined remote room, sometimes I can display the user list but not the chat, in between I see a red message saying server connection has been lost..
                                                                        it seems the lost connection is the remote one, nothing to do between cloudron matrix/element apps...

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                                                                        • rmdes
                                                                          rmdes last edited by

                                                                          I have spent a few hours trying to prove that there is a correlation between trying to join rooms and this error : Oct 08 17:53:46 [2020-10-08T15:53:46.844Z] "GET /config.chat.rmendes.net.json?cachebuster=1602172426790" Error (404): "Not found"
                                                                          this config file is at the root of the Element app container, why is it run as if it was a subdomain location ?

                                                                          And I'm pretty sure with the timestamps that these errors are related to trying to join rooms.

                                                                          The question is, why are some rooms join-able and not others ?

                                                                          if you append this : #/room/#freenode_#indieweb:matrix.org to your Element app URL
                                                                          you should not be able to join this room and you should see the error above in your error log.

                                                                          the only log item I'm seeing on matrix app side that raise question is :

                                                                          Oct 08 15:22:37 /app/pkg/start.sh: line 82: 101 Killed gosu cloudron:cloudron python3 -m synapse.app.homeserver --config-path /app/data/configs/homeserver.yaml

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                                                                          • M
                                                                            msbt App Dev last edited by

                                                                            You need quite a lot of RAM to join the main matrix channel, since there are a few 1000 users inside. I think that requires at least 2GB. Could that be it?

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                                                                            • rmdes
                                                                              rmdes @msbt last edited by

                                                                              @msbt I have upped the memory to 2GB and since, this error : Oct 08 15:22:37 /app/pkg/start.sh: line 82: 101 Killed gosu cloudron:cloudron python3 -m synapse.app.homeserver --config-path /app/data/configs/homeserver.yaml

                                                                              is completely gone.

                                                                              But I'm still stuck at the same : even joining little rooms does not work, or works "randomly" ?

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