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    What's coming in 6.0 (take 2)

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    • girish
      girish Staff @jdaviescoates last edited by

      @jdaviescoates said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):

      Will Cloudron Roundcube/ Rainloop/ Sogo, Nextcloud Mail somehow automagically take advantage of solr? or what?

      That's the idea, yes. To keep excitement in control, from my testing, the fts has real benefits only if you lots of email (like say 2GB and more). You also need a lot of RAM to run solr (like 3GB). The feature is turned off by default for this reason.

      I guess the same applies to Nextcloud files too - will search files on there somehow benefit from the power of solr?

      Unfortunately, no. I think there was this nextcloud app called nextant back in the day which used solr. That app was however deprecated and they moved to this fulltextsearch app. The fulltextsearch app can have multiple backends but afaik there is only an elastic search backend (someone has to write a solr backend).

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      • jdaviescoates
        jdaviescoates @girish last edited by

        @girish said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):

        That's the idea, yes. To keep excitement in control, from my testing, the fts has real benefits only if you lots of email (like say 2GB and more). You also need a lot of RAM to run solr (like 3GB). The feature is turned off by default for this reason.

        OK, thanks.

        I guess part of what I'm asking is does having solr enabled some allow for using some Gmail-style search operators like from: to: in:sent has:attachment etc?

        I'm guessing perhaps not and that such things would need to be built in/ added to the webmail clients themselves? But I'm unclear πŸ™‚

        I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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        • girish
          girish Staff @jdaviescoates last edited by

          @jdaviescoates said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):

          I'm guessing perhaps not and that such things would need to be built in/ added to the webmail clients themselves? But I'm unclear

          Right, those features like operators have to come from mail clients themselves. Note that solr is actually not adding anything new to what is already there. It's just making search faster internally by having an index.

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          • jdaviescoates
            jdaviescoates @girish last edited by

            @girish said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):

            Unfortunately, no. I think there was this nextcloud app called nextant back in the day which used solr. That app was however deprecated and they moved to this fulltextsearch app. The fulltextsearch app can have multiple backends but afaik there is only an elastic search backend (someone has to write a solr backend).

            Looks like someone started to make one, but there hasn't been any updates since Jun 2019 πŸ˜•

            https://github.com/rearden-logic-inc/fulltextsearch_solr

            I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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            • jdaviescoates
              jdaviescoates @girish last edited by jdaviescoates

              @girish said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):

              Right, those features like operators have to come from mail clients themselves. Note that solr is actually not adding anything new to what is already there. It's just making search faster internally by having an index.

              Thanks. I so wish there were better open webmail clients. Mailpile does most of what I want but development has seemingly largely stalled πŸ˜•

              Roundcube at least has these:

              from:
              to:
              cc:
              bcc:
              subject:
              body:
              

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              • marcusquinn
                marcusquinn @jdaviescoates last edited by

                @jdaviescoates πŸ‘ for Roundcube, the others didn't pass my short attention span for acceptable daily-drivers 😬

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                • marcusquinn
                  marcusquinn @marcusquinn last edited by

                  @marcusquinn Nothing to do with 6.0 but since webmail distracted, I think EspoCRM is worth a mention as a webmail client, which I'm intending to give a whirl soon. Don't know how performant the search will be in that but will share feedback as I do.

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                  • jdaviescoates
                    jdaviescoates @marcusquinn last edited by

                    @marcusquinn said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):

                    @jdaviescoates for Roundcube, the others didn't pass my short attention span for acceptable daily-drivers

                    It does seem the best of bad bunch (it's the second most popular after Mailpile on https://selfhosted.libhunt.com/categories/1665-webmail-clients ), but frustrating that e.g. it seemingly can't be used to set-up filters and so need to use Rainloop for that. The state of open source webmail really is bad 😞

                    I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                    • girish
                      girish Staff @jdaviescoates last edited by

                      @jdaviescoates I think roundcube is the best of the lot. But also, the desktop and mobile clients are quite great though.

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                      • ?
                        A Former User last edited by

                        I use rainloop as I use nextcloud contacts and calendars and it made sense for my users to have their webmail in the same app. But also not have to deal with the absolute garbage that is Nextcloud Mail.

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                        • jdaviescoates
                          jdaviescoates @Guest last edited by

                          @atrilahiji said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):

                          the absolute garbage that is Nextcloud Mail.

                          To be fair, it is pretty new and getting better. One day it might even be the best! (but not today).

                          I can't really remember properly, but I think it recently added a way to have multiple identities and to easily switch between them, something which is missing from some of the others (I forget which).

                          I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                          • ?
                            A Former User @jdaviescoates last edited by

                            @jdaviescoates True. One thing that was frustrating was 1) the lack of filters and 2) no way to integrate with cloudron mail like the Rainloop app in Nextcloud.

                            Also there was a point where new emails just stopped coming through on there. Got mad and switched.

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                            • jimcavoli
                              jimcavoli App Dev @Guest last edited by

                              @atrilahiji said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):

                              1. no way to integrate with cloudron mail like the Rainloop app in Nextcloud.

                              On that specific point, Nextcloud Mail does fine in my experience if the users have their cloudron email as their primary email, then you can do similar to the following (my.demo.com used in place of mail server name):
                              CleanShot 2020-11-25 at 22.30.33.png

                              So it can depend a lot on your setup, but I'll freely give you that no sieve support is incredibly frustrating, plus I constantly can't find features that I feel like should be there, and even when it's "working" the visual design is so weird to me that things still feel wrong. I mean, I'd give it like a 4/10 and "would not recommend to a friend" but for some users/clients...it's evidently good enough?

                              The rolling average in my experience is definitely hot garbage, but sometimes it's acceptable garbage. πŸ˜†

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                              • girish
                                girish Staff last edited by

                                This release got delayed a bit because we have been trying to narrow down a crash in the LDAP code. We finally found it and have submitted a PR upstream - https://github.com/ldapjs/node-ldapjs/pull/686 . Now we can move forward πŸ™‚

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                                • marcusquinn
                                  marcusquinn @jimcavoli last edited by

                                  @jimcavoli Great tip!!

                                  @girish Worth making these Mail app settings default on all Nextcloud instances? My understanding is they wouldn't take effect unless "Apply and create/update for all users" was clicked, so should be safe for existing installs.

                                  Also, worth adding to the docs given it's a Sys Admin time-saver for onboarding the Mail app, albeit as mostly useful just inside Nextcloud usage.

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                                  • ?
                                    A Former User last edited by

                                    Loving 6.0! One thing I’d like to suggest for a minor release is adding a start/stop and restart button along the top when looking at an apps settings. Like the new ones you added for logs and terminal. Also a file browser for the new volumes feature would be nice.

                                    Loving volumes!!! Honestly it’s a lifesaver. My fiancΓ© prefers Emby while I prefer jellyfin, and we use Emby on our smart TV while there’s no Jellyfin web OS app. Thanks @nebulon @girish

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                                    • girish
                                      girish Staff @Guest last edited by

                                      @atrilahiji said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):

                                      Also a file browser for the new volumes feature would be nice.

                                      There's a button right next to each Volume, btw. For next release, we plan to put volumes also into the app's file manager as well for convenience.

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                                        A Former User @girish last edited by

                                        @girish hahah you know I found the other issues and totally thought of the volumes one without checking. Whoops...

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                                        • Lonkle
                                          Lonkle @Guest last edited by Lonkle

                                          @girish Did the adminPath manifest argument get removed in V6.0? I just updated and they're gone from my custom apps?

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                                          • mehdi
                                            mehdi App Dev @Lonkle last edited by

                                            @lonk https://docs.cloudron.io/custom-apps/manifest/#configurepath Looks like it's still there. Maybe the name changed ?

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                                            • Lonkle
                                              Lonkle @mehdi last edited by

                                              @mehdi Maybe the update removed it, I'll do a full re-install and see if it brings back the admin url button.

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                                              • robi
                                                robi @Lonkle last edited by

                                                @lonk you likely have to clear your browser cache

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