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    @jdaviescoates said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):

    However, some of the music streaming apps etc like Navidrome (which is what I thought I'd use a Hetzner Storage box CIFS for) can have users with different permissions too, so still not sure if that'll be possible?

    Yes, definitely possible. App users are entirely different from file system permissions. Without getting too technical, users inside an app are just "virtual users". They just exist inside the app's database.

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      @girish OK!

      So maybe I will start uploading my 290GB of music up to my new 500GB Hetzner Storage Box to use like this as soon as 6.0 goes live! 😄

      I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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        @girish said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):

        see the WIP tag

        Oooh, just looked at that for the first time in a while and I see BigBlueButton and Jitsi Meet are included... who is actively working on them atm, is it you @girish @nebulon ? 🙂

        Cloudron 6.0 with full text email search, volumes and BBB/ Jitsi would be SO awesome! (loving all the new music/ media apps too!)

        I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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          Once there are proper Volumes, my River app won't have too much reason to exist, so you can expect a few other apps soon after 6.0 release as I split river into independent apps (namely SickChill, CouchPotato, and Transmission)

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            @mehdi said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):

            Once there are proper Volumes, my River app won't have too much reason to exist, so you can expect a few other apps soon after 6.0 release as I split river into independent apps (namely SickChill, CouchPotato, and Transmission)

            Did your River app combine those apps with an added external storage connection bit?

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              @lonk It combines Jellyfin (for which there's already an app now), Transmission, SickChill, Couchpotato (the 3 I just mentioned), a custom file manager (built before Cloudron had one), and a custom TV Shows and Movies streaming interface (built before I integrated Jellyfin). Plus a few custom things, like a script to auto-remove finished torrents on transmission, and a script to auto-convert videos to MP4 for easy streaming in the browser (for my custom streaming interface. I disabled it now that I mainly use jellyfin, which handles this automatically).

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                @mehdi said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):

                Once there are proper Volumes, my River app won't have too much reason to exist, so you can expect a few other apps soon after 6.0 release as I split river into independent apps (namely SickChill, CouchPotato, and Transmission)

                When you have time, please split them out and I can start approving them as unstable already. It also gives me a good test bed to test the volumes stuff across apps and permissions.

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                  @girish said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):

                  When you have time, please split them out and I can start approving them as unstable already.

                  OK, will do. I will have to pick your brain a little about how to handle authentication for these apps. In river, they're behind a custom auth proxy, as they don't handle auth by themselves.

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                    @mehdi said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):

                    OK, will do. I will have to pick your brain a little about how to handle authentication for these apps.

                    Would it make sense to bring that into box code somehow? Maybe we add some flag in the manifest to turn on this "authentication wall".

                    @nebulon Is it possible to have a login screen like the surfer app but served from box code? I guess session management possibly won't work since app has no clue about this? Maybe logout won't work as well since there is no logout button in the app.

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                      @girish said in What's coming in 6.0 (take 2):

                      Would it make sense to bring that into box code somehow? Maybe we add some flag in the manifest to turn on this "authentication wall".

                      It would be possible yeah. An other possibility would be to have a standard way to do it in the "base image", to make it easy to implement in the apps that need it. I would probably go with the "base image" path, because it would be easier to configure on an app level IMO.

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                        @mehdi Good idea. Maybe then for the moment we can copy/paste apache configs in every app (like https://git.cloudron.io/cloudron/simple-torrent-app/-/blob/master/apache/cloud-torrent.conf ) for now and once we have a something common, I can try to put it in the next base image.

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                          I really like that approach as well. I'll follow what you guys create and what changes occur to the base image! ☺️

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                            So the idea is to put some kind of "framework" into the base image, which can be used by apps? Wouldn't that anyways still not mean that an app needs to be patched for at least the logout action? Also would we do this as a php set of features? I do like to not pull this into the platform code as such, as that does not increase dependency on that.

                            Alternately, we could certainly add a login screen served up with some kind of session. The question then, as already mentioned, is how to logout. We could provide the app with a logout link, still that needs patching the app to some extent.

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                              @nebulon IMO the login part is much more important than the logout part. We can even do completely without the logout at all in the interface, with just a /logout URL that one would have to enter manually (if ever).

                              As to the precise tech to use, I already have a working version in Node.JS in river that I could isolate. If you guys prefer to re-do it in PHP instead or something else, it's your choice.

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                                Right, I was only bringing up php since that might be more commonly already be used within such apps, I would prefer a nodejs solution though. Maybe we can collect some arguments for and against adding to the base image or into the platform.

                                If we add it to the platform, we could have it more easily streamlined with the Cloudron look and feel, however within the base image the app could style it more towards its own look and feel. Putting it in the platform on the other hand would allow support translation now once it fully landed. Also say we use a nodejs based version, then we have to keep running an additional process with possibly another proxy even?

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                                  Just pointing out that this might be better served by using something like a proper gateway and load balancing solution in front of the apps like Kong rather than NGINx on the box. An add-on for a basic auth screen could just be a config tweak to the box ingress which hits an auth wall - added advantage would be much more flexible routing to apps (sub-path, etc.) and flexible options like having multiple DNS names resolving to the straight A record for things like apps that can serve multiple domain names off one instance.

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                                    Bringing in some service mesh concepts would be interesting.

                                    Conscious tech

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                                      @jimcavoli
                                      You mean to use Kong or Traefik (this are exeple) as incoming proxy for every container ?

                                      If yes, we need to consider how reliable is Nginx and the feature that can be easily added (Proxy_Cache, brotli, WAF, ...)

                                      Matteo. R.
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                                        @moocloud_matt yeah, there's currently a box level NGINx proxy - my idea is to replace that with a very hand-wavy something else which may be capable of shimming authentication for those things that just don't have it inbuilt (Kong) or if we go a different route on that sort of thing, we could use Traefik or similar at that layer. I think the use cases are intriguing enough to at least try the Kong route and fall back to something like Traefik if need be

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                                          @jimcavoli
                                          for adding .htpasswd support ? or what kind of auth are you talking about?

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