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  • LonkleL Lonkle

    @girish Also, I read the description for both versions and your rewrites are both perfect. ☺️

    PS. You forgot to write Multisite support for the Developer Edition - I’m still going to be writing box changes to support the slight database peculiarities between single site and Multisite so you can change the URL from Cloudron and I’ll be updating your WP-CRON script to work with all sub-sites (if they exist, it will detect if it’s a Multisite installation).

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    @Lonk said in Changes to WordPress apps:

    You forgot to write Multisite support for the Developer Edition

    Hopefully, we can add multi-site to both. I have never used a multi-site WP, so I don't know if it's compatible or not with the read-only file system.

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    • girishG girish

      @Lonk said in Changes to WordPress apps:

      You forgot to write Multisite support for the Developer Edition

      Hopefully, we can add multi-site to both. I have never used a multi-site WP, so I don't know if it's compatible or not with the read-only file system.

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      @girish said in Changes to WordPress apps:

      @Lonk said in Changes to WordPress apps:

      You forgot to write Multisite support for the Developer Edition

      Hopefully, we can add multi-site to both. I have never used a multi-site WP, so I don't know if it's compatible or not with the read-only file system.

      It’s compatible with a read only file system. But it would have to be chosen during installation or there would have to be an option in Wordpress Configure within Cloudron to “Convert to Multisite” but I’m more in favor of someone choosing Multisite during installation.

      Multisite just adds more databases (which is fine in read only) and more folders in /upload (which is fine in read only).

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      • LonkleL Lonkle

        @girish said in Changes to WordPress apps:

        @Lonk said in Changes to WordPress apps:

        You forgot to write Multisite support for the Developer Edition

        Hopefully, we can add multi-site to both. I have never used a multi-site WP, so I don't know if it's compatible or not with the read-only file system.

        It’s compatible with a read only file system. But it would have to be chosen during installation or there would have to be an option in Wordpress Configure within Cloudron to “Convert to Multisite” but I’m more in favor of someone choosing Multisite during installation.

        Multisite just adds more databases (which is fine in read only) and more folders in /upload (which is fine in read only).

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        @Lonk said in Changes to WordPress apps:

        Woah, that quick! Did you give up on your security worries of Unmanaged LDAP because it’s called Developer Edition or did you solve them?

        Ah right, forgot to mention this. There is no real fix for this. SFTP access when given to normal Cloudron users to edit code..is a security problem. I think we will put a note in the docs/tooltip warning in the UI. The user has to evaluate if this is really a security issue for them. We were thinking we will add a checkbox which user has to click to allow SFTP access for non-admins.

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        • LonkleL Lonkle

          @girish said in Changes to WordPress apps:

          @Lonk said in Changes to WordPress apps:

          You forgot to write Multisite support for the Developer Edition

          Hopefully, we can add multi-site to both. I have never used a multi-site WP, so I don't know if it's compatible or not with the read-only file system.

          It’s compatible with a read only file system. But it would have to be chosen during installation or there would have to be an option in Wordpress Configure within Cloudron to “Convert to Multisite” but I’m more in favor of someone choosing Multisite during installation.

          Multisite just adds more databases (which is fine in read only) and more folders in /upload (which is fine in read only).

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          @Lonk said in Changes to WordPress apps:

          . But it would have to be chosen during installation or there would have to be an option in Wordpress Configure within Cloudron

          Ah, it's an install time flag for WordPress? In general, is it possible to convert multi-site to single-site and vice versa (in an automated way) ?

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          • girishG girish

            @Lonk said in Changes to WordPress apps:

            . But it would have to be chosen during installation or there would have to be an option in Wordpress Configure within Cloudron

            Ah, it's an install time flag for WordPress? In general, is it possible to convert multi-site to single-site and vice versa (in an automated way) ?

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            @girish No no, not an install time flag. You can convert at any time from single-site to multisite. But there's no converting back once you're on multisite.

            I only mentioned that you might want to do it during install time because then you wouldn't have to add an option in dashboard asking a user if they'd like to "Convert to Multisite (This Cannot Be Undone)" kinda thing. But doing it at install time, or after install time - just as easy.

            Because I had SFTP access on the Developer Edition, I was able to just enable it manually. But that does come with caveats - like you cannot change the URL in Cloudron if you're a multisite (it's stores the domain in a different place in the DB with multisite, and also in wp-config.php). That, and the WP-CRON that would need multisite support.

            The only think beyond those two things (which I could code easily to integrate with Cloudron) is real domain aliases (not redirections) would be needed. Which, after looking into reverseproxy.js, shouldn't be hard. I just am horrible at editing dashboard code every time I try. 😅

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              what is the purpose of including redis?

              Conscious tech

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              • robiR robi

                what is the purpose of including redis?

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                @robi Redis can be used for caching improvements to WordPress, some plugins will work with redis as the caching backend.

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                • d19dotcaD d19dotca

                  @robi Redis can be used for caching improvements to WordPress, some plugins will work with redis as the caching backend.

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                  @d19dotca there's already several instances that run as shown in Cloudron services, but I can't tell if that's shared or not.

                  none of the other databases show which apps use them.

                  Conscious tech

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                  • robiR robi

                    @d19dotca there's already several instances that run as shown in Cloudron services, but I can't tell if that's shared or not.

                    none of the other databases show which apps use them.

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                    @robi The databases are shared since MySQL, PostgreSQL, Mongo etc are multi-tenant. You can setup rules to isolate users and apps. Redis is not multi-tenant. For this reason, there is a redis instance per app. Redis is ultra-light weight though, so it's not really a resource hog/issue.

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                      #15

                      I spotted an article recently that reminded me of this debate, and I think I can make the distinction a little more familiar:

                      • Wordpress (Managed) is more like wordpress.com
                      • Wordpress (Unmanaged) is more like wordpress.org

                      Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                      Development https://brandlight.org
                      Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                      • girishG girish

                        @robi The databases are shared since MySQL, PostgreSQL, Mongo etc are multi-tenant. You can setup rules to isolate users and apps. Redis is not multi-tenant. For this reason, there is a redis instance per app. Redis is ultra-light weight though, so it's not really a resource hog/issue.

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                        @girish thanks for that.
                        is that something we can fix graphite with?

                        Conscious tech

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                        • girishG girish

                          @robi The databases are shared since MySQL, PostgreSQL, Mongo etc are multi-tenant. You can setup rules to isolate users and apps. Redis is not multi-tenant. For this reason, there is a redis instance per app. Redis is ultra-light weight though, so it's not really a resource hog/issue.

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                          @girish said in Changes to WordPress apps:

                          @robi The databases are shared since MySQL, PostgreSQL, Mongo etc are multi-tenant. You can setup rules to isolate users and apps. Redis is not multi-tenant. For this reason, there is a redis instance per app. Redis is ultra-light weight though, so it's not really a resource hog/issue.

                          I had been wondering this entire time why Redis wasn't shared (I used LAMP a lot in my testing as did I docker network inspect cloudron so because you name the containers as hashes, the redis ones made it easier to identify which was which (my VPN client which had no redis, and the LAMP client), so that was pretty useful to me funnily enough.

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                          • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                            I spotted an article recently that reminded me of this debate, and I think I can make the distinction a little more familiar:

                            • Wordpress (Managed) is more like wordpress.com
                            • Wordpress (Unmanaged) is more like wordpress.org
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                            @marcusquinn said in Changes to WordPress apps:

                            I spotted an article recently that reminded me of this debate, and I think I can make the distinction a little more familiar:

                            • Wordpress (Managed) is more like wordpress.com
                            • Wordpress (Unmanaged) is more like wordpress.org

                            Great comparison and should hit home, I - for no particular reason - think the name should stay, but at the end of each desciption, it could say:

                            "Think of this as as simple and easy "wordpress.com" but with plugin support."

                            Something to that affect would work to compare the two for existing Wordpress users looking to switch.

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                            • LonkleL Lonkle

                              @marcusquinn said in Changes to WordPress apps:

                              I spotted an article recently that reminded me of this debate, and I think I can make the distinction a little more familiar:

                              • Wordpress (Managed) is more like wordpress.com
                              • Wordpress (Unmanaged) is more like wordpress.org

                              Great comparison and should hit home, I - for no particular reason - think the name should stay, but at the end of each desciption, it could say:

                              "Think of this as as simple and easy "wordpress.com" but with plugin support."

                              Something to that affect would work to compare the two for existing Wordpress users looking to switch.

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                              marcusquinn
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                              @Lonk The worry with wordpress.com, Shopify etc, is always the risk of de-platforming with no recourse, when they are judge & jury.

                              I'm convinced self-hosting federation is the future. Compared to relying on the whims of a single provider, that can have their abuse processes abused by rogue competitors is a very real risk.

                              These risks increase the more successful you are when rogue competition or trolls can take a dislike and interrupt innocent people & businesses at any time.

                              Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                              Development https://brandlight.org
                              Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                              • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                                @Lonk The worry with wordpress.com, Shopify etc, is always the risk of de-platforming with no recourse, when they are judge & jury.

                                I'm convinced self-hosting federation is the future. Compared to relying on the whims of a single provider, that can have their abuse processes abused by rogue competitors is a very real risk.

                                These risks increase the more successful you are when rogue competition or trolls can take a dislike and interrupt innocent people & businesses at any time.

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                                @marcusquinn said in Changes to WordPress apps:

                                @Lonk The worry with wordpress.com, Shopify etc, is always the risk of de-platforming with no recourse, when they are judge & jury.

                                I'm convinced self-hosting federation is the future, relying o the whims of a single provider, that can have their Abuse processes abused by rogue competitors is a very real risk, that increases the more successful you are and rogue competition or trolls can take a dislike and interrupt innocent people & businesses at any time.

                                Your belief in open source is one of the many reasons I respect ya, man. I think it's more important than people think or realize. Even I didn't for a lonk time. But it's important to own your future. Understand what you're running on, be able to fix something that the developer doesn't have time to because you have access to what you're running on. But seriously, I gotta brag about Cloudron's API one more time, it's amazinggggg. 😂 And half of it's private! I'll think about documenting it one day though if I find there's interest but it seems like I've been the only one interested as much in the API.

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                                • LonkleL Lonkle

                                  @marcusquinn said in Changes to WordPress apps:

                                  @Lonk The worry with wordpress.com, Shopify etc, is always the risk of de-platforming with no recourse, when they are judge & jury.

                                  I'm convinced self-hosting federation is the future, relying o the whims of a single provider, that can have their Abuse processes abused by rogue competitors is a very real risk, that increases the more successful you are and rogue competition or trolls can take a dislike and interrupt innocent people & businesses at any time.

                                  Your belief in open source is one of the many reasons I respect ya, man. I think it's more important than people think or realize. Even I didn't for a lonk time. But it's important to own your future. Understand what you're running on, be able to fix something that the developer doesn't have time to because you have access to what you're running on. But seriously, I gotta brag about Cloudron's API one more time, it's amazinggggg. 😂 And half of it's private! I'll think about documenting it one day though if I find there's interest but it seems like I've been the only one interested as much in the API.

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                                  @Lonk Yeah, all the devs I work with go quiet when I tell them we're going to open-source years and millions of dollars of development work.

                                  I believe in OS, making it happen just takes longer than even my ideologies hope for.

                                  Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                                  Development https://brandlight.org
                                  Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                                  • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                                    @Lonk Yeah, all the devs I work with go quiet when I tell them we're going to open-source years and millions of dollars of development work.

                                    I believe in OS, making it happen just takes longer than even my ideologies hope for.

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                                    @marcusquinn said in Changes to WordPress apps:

                                    @Lonk Yeah, all the devs I work with go quiet when I tell them we're going to open-source years and millions of dollars of development work.

                                    I believe in OS, making it happen just takes longer than even my ideologies hope for.

                                    I'm an idealists. I was telling @girish in another thread - as long as you want to do that and you plan on doing it (we were talking about a box patch) "I don't care about when". This is obviously just my own opinion. But I feel like you're contributing ideologically. It's not the actual action of doing so, it's the intention, even if you don't succeed. At least, that's how I feel. Plus, I'm pretty patient. One day is a perfect answer. Life is crazy and hectic and ever changing.

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                                    • LonkleL Lonkle

                                      @marcusquinn said in Changes to WordPress apps:

                                      @Lonk Yeah, all the devs I work with go quiet when I tell them we're going to open-source years and millions of dollars of development work.

                                      I believe in OS, making it happen just takes longer than even my ideologies hope for.

                                      I'm an idealists. I was telling @girish in another thread - as long as you want to do that and you plan on doing it (we were talking about a box patch) "I don't care about when". This is obviously just my own opinion. But I feel like you're contributing ideologically. It's not the actual action of doing so, it's the intention, even if you don't succeed. At least, that's how I feel. Plus, I'm pretty patient. One day is a perfect answer. Life is crazy and hectic and ever changing.

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                                      @Lonk Watch this space - we'll make WP & Woocommerce a seriously fast and international enterprise app that anyone can build on!

                                      It all started because we created what we wanted to use for our needs but did it in a way that should serve almost any.

                                      Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                                      Development https://brandlight.org
                                      Life https://marcusquinn.com

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                                      • marcusquinnM marcusquinn

                                        @Lonk Watch this space - we'll make WP & Woocommerce a seriously fast and international enterprise app that anyone can build on!

                                        It all started because we created what we wanted to use for our needs but did it in a way that should serve almost any.

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                                        @marcusquinn said in Changes to WordPress apps:

                                        @Lonk Watch this space - we'll make WP & Woocommerce a seriously fast and international enterprise app that anyone can build on!

                                        It all started because we created what we wanted to use for our needs but did it in a way that should serve almost any.

                                        Oh, you've def piqued my curiosity. I'll be watching the space for sure. I've been needing to get back into the WP community (specifically Post Status was my favorite Wordpress Community) anyway so I'll start paying attention more.

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                                        • LonkleL Lonkle

                                          @marcusquinn said in Changes to WordPress apps:

                                          @Lonk Watch this space - we'll make WP & Woocommerce a seriously fast and international enterprise app that anyone can build on!

                                          It all started because we created what we wanted to use for our needs but did it in a way that should serve almost any.

                                          Oh, you've def piqued my curiosity. I'll be watching the space for sure. I've been needing to get back into the WP community (specifically Post Status was my favorite Wordpress Community) anyway so I'll start paying attention more.

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                                          @Lonk Did you try our plugin unloading plugin? That should give you some serious TTFBs 😉

                                          Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
                                          Development https://brandlight.org
                                          Life https://marcusquinn.com

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