Changes to WordPress apps

[marcusquinn]

@Lonk Cool - I've never made any inroads in the WP & Woo community TBH, found it quite cliquey and in self-denial with many woocommerc.com plugins we had to fork and fix in desperation from their lack of quality-control.

I've got a fair few core improvement recommendations that fell on deaf ears too - but I'm certain we could make it the operating-system for any organisation.

I guess what we're doing is kinda like all the Cloudron Apps but as WP plugins. It is opinionated and anti-microservices though, so not for everyone - yet.

If you have any contacts that want to get serious about this kind of ambition, I'm always available to talk with fellows that aren't afraid to shoot for the moon.

[Lonkle]

@jdaviescoates said in Changes to WordPress apps:

As I understand it (one of) the problem(s) is that I don't think it's currently possible to have multiple domains pointing to the same Cloudron app, and imho we'd need that to work for Multisite to be useful (so that all the subsites within the multisite can be mapped to their own TLD).
I guess that is what you mean by real domain aliases?

Yes, a real domain alias so that Wordpress sees it and routes it accordingly. It's a built in feature of Wordpress in Multisite. It's unbelievably useful.

[marcusquinn]

@jdaviescoates In the meantime, people can reproduce most of what multi-site does with these plugins for those wanting each site to stay contained and portable for resources:

• https://distributorplugin.com
• https://en-gb.wordpress.org/plugins/wp-cfm/
• https://managewp.com

I do intend to have another look at multi-site at some point as a way of quickly firing up demo instances, so I agree on the need, we just wanted to solve the same things in a more segregated way to keep options open.

[Lonkle]

@marcusquinn And that's the one area you and I diverge in which, I think, is good. You keep me thinking of the benefits of single site and I'll keep you thinking of the benefits of multisite.

[marcusquinn]

For interest, these aliases are all the same Cloudron app:

• https://healthshop.net
• https://healthshop.co.uk
• https://healthshop.eu

I'll ask the team for more details while we wait for an official option.

[girish]

I have pushed the fixes for the WordPress (Developer) app. See https://forum.cloudron.io/post/16775 . It now has LDAP support as well. New doc pages is at https://docs.cloudron.io/apps/wordpress-developer/

[Lonkle]

@girish said in Changes to WordPress apps:

I have pushed the fixes for the WordPress (Developer) app. See https://forum.cloudron.io/post/16775 . It now has LDAP support as well. New doc pages is at https://docs.cloudron.io/apps/wordpress-developer/

Can you activate LDAP post-installation or would I have to re-install? I broke Cloudron rn so I can't test an app to try and see if it's in the configuration settings.

[girish]

The SFTP issue is sorted out now. There is a config option in Services -> SFTP. By default, only admins can access files via SFTP. So, this is a breaking change in the next release.

[jdaviescoates]

@Lonk said in Changes to WordPress apps:

Can you activate LDAP post-installation or would I have to re-install?

Exactly what I'm thinking... I'll go and see...

[imc67]

@jdaviescoates I’ve updated one of my wp apps, installed the ldap plugin used the managed ldap settings and (just to be sure) after a restart of the app ldap works!

[jdaviescoates]

@imc67 said in Changes to WordPress apps:

installed the ldap plugin used the managed ldap settings

Aha, I also just updated and didn't see any LDAP support, but this is the step I'm missing!

@girish be nice if updating Unmanaged to the new Developer version auto-magically installed the LDAP plugin and settings!

[jdaviescoates]

@imc67 said in Changes to WordPress apps:

@jdaviescoates I’ve updated one of my wp apps, installed the ldap plugin used the managed ldap settings and (just to be sure) after a restart of the app ldap works!

When you go to Access Control in your updated app are you now seeing this? (as per how it looks if you install and choose LDAP on install)

[Lonkle]

@jdaviescoates said in Changes to WordPress apps:

@imc67 said in Changes to WordPress apps:

installed the ldap plugin used the managed ldap settings

Aha, I also just updated and didn't see any LDAP support, but this is the step I'm missing!

@girish be nice if updating Unmanaged to the new Developer version auto-magically installed the LDAP plugin and settings!

I would have missed that necessary step myself. The only reason I didn't check on my own install is because @girish made a "hot fix" for me for my development and I had a VM issue so I re-installed and was refusing to go through the setup because I was afraid cloudron-machine wouldn't work after setup. But @girish confirmed today it does work after setup so I'm going to have fun testing out this LDAP integration with WP and figure out how cloudron-machine works later.

[girish]

@jdaviescoates What @imc67 did should not be possible, so I am not sure how it works for him. The LDAP will only be available for new installations since this flag is chosen at install time and there is no way to change it post installation without tinkering with the database. Might be easier to export/import into a new install. Just backup current app, make a new LDAP based install and import that backup into new app.

[imc67]

@girish it was really as easy as the steps I’ve mentioned before.

[girish]

@imc67 Ah, "installed the ldap plugin used the managed ldap settings". I missed this. So you put the credentials of managed LDAP app into this existing unmanaged app? Note that this will stop working when the managed app goes away!

[Lonkle]

@girish said in Changes to WordPress apps:

@jdaviescoates What @imc67 did should not be possible, so I am not sure how it works for him. The LDAP will only be available for new installations since this flag is chosen at install time and there is no way to change it post installation without tinkering with the database. Might be easier to export/import into a new install. Just backup current app, make a new LDAP based install and import that backup into new app.

Oh, gotcha, it can only be set at install time. So, do you think your suggestion to "set the flag without DB voodoo" (which I'm gonna do because I can't get the cloudron app db to work with remote sql, I've tried a lot). Do you think that method will clash with multisite database URL location changes (Wordpress storing the URL in a different place than single site)?

[imc67]

@girish huh why? These “codes” / settings are even from a managed app on another Cloudron, aren’t they the same for all?

[Lonkle]

@girish Yes, also curious to understand what you mean by @imc67's hack will stop working...at some point (that I didn't understand "when the managed app goes away" when the managed app isn't going away)?

[robi]

@Lonk credentials are generated per app, he copied one app's LDAP credentials.

If that app goes away, so do the unique credentials.