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Add `apt autoremove`

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  • mehdiM mehdi

    @girish autoremove removes packages which were installed automatically (as dependencies of other packages you installed), and which are not needed anymore.

    For example, if you install package A manually at version 1.0, which depends on package B, then at a later point in time A gets updated to 2.0 which does not depend on B anymore. Well in this case, B stays installed, but is not necessary, and autoremove removes it.

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    wrote on last edited by
    #9

    @mehdi Right, but I meant in the context of Cloudron why does one ever need to 'autoremove'? Since Cloudron itself doesn't install packages once installed. Is this for the use case of people installing some packages outside of Cloudron (if so, is it then wise to autoremove stuff?)?

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    • girishG girish

      @mehdi Right, but I meant in the context of Cloudron why does one ever need to 'autoremove'? Since Cloudron itself doesn't install packages once installed. Is this for the use case of people installing some packages outside of Cloudron (if so, is it then wise to autoremove stuff?)?

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      @girish In cloudron's case, yeah I don't see anything other than kernels off the top of my head where this could apply, but it's still possible for dependencies of other packages.

      In any case, I have personally never seen a case where autoremove broke stuff.

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      • mehdiM mehdi

        @girish In cloudron's case, yeah I don't see anything other than kernels off the top of my head where this could apply, but it's still possible for dependencies of other packages.

        In any case, I have personally never seen a case where autoremove broke stuff.

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        wrote on last edited by girish
        #11

        @mehdi hmmm, I went back and checked and indeed the install script does not call autoremove in the end, maybe it should.

        This feature request started with "As Cloudron does automatic security and system updates", so I just want to point out that neither of those require auto-remove since additional packages are not installed and the security updates are very conservative and not dramatic (like removing deps etc). So, except for this kernel stuff, we don't need autoremove, I think. I don't completely understand why ubuntu itself doesn't have a mechanism for this. Happy to be corrected here though 🙂

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        • girishG girish

          I assume this feature is to autoremove stuff is only for removing old kernels? I have to say I have not seen the issue of boot filling up in Ubuntu 18. Has anyone hit this in bionic?

          Also, ubuntu security updates does not add new packages (only updates existing ones). So, AFAIK, this feature is only for removing kernels and nothing else. I am happy to add some button (instead of an automated cron).

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          @girish have seen this, but like 2 years ago ?😳

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          • girishG girish

            @mehdi hmmm, I went back and checked and indeed the install script does not call autoremove in the end, maybe it should.

            This feature request started with "As Cloudron does automatic security and system updates", so I just want to point out that neither of those require auto-remove since additional packages are not installed and the security updates are very conservative and not dramatic (like removing deps etc). So, except for this kernel stuff, we don't need autoremove, I think. I don't completely understand why ubuntu itself doesn't have a mechanism for this. Happy to be corrected here though 🙂

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            Wow this really exploded while I slept.

            @girish That is not a correct conclusion.
            @mehdi is correct above.

            Even with Cloudron not installing anything new, the system will over time end up with orphaned dependencies that can be removed. This includes old kernels.

            It will not harm the system, only keep it less cluttered and do the right thing(tm). 😉

            Please do the needful. 🤗

            Conscious tech

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              wrote on last edited by
              #14

              Even if not automatic, I think a button do to it manually would do the job.

              That plus a warning for admins that the boot partition is nearly full would cover a great majority of usecases i think

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              • mehdiM mehdi

                Even if not automatic, I think a button do to it manually would do the job.

                That plus a warning for admins that the boot partition is nearly full would cover a great majority of usecases i think

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                @mehdi Why give the admin yet another button when it can be eliminated altogether? I'd rather do it on CLI then.

                Point is, I don't want to see autoremove whenever I run apt or have to deal with kernels filling up for poorly planned partitions or side-effects of OS vendor releasing lots of kernels and not cleaning up.

                Conscious tech

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                • robiR robi

                  @mehdi Why give the admin yet another button when it can be eliminated altogether? I'd rather do it on CLI then.

                  Point is, I don't want to see autoremove whenever I run apt or have to deal with kernels filling up for poorly planned partitions or side-effects of OS vendor releasing lots of kernels and not cleaning up.

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                  @robi said in Add `apt autoremove`:

                  Point is, I don't want to see autoremove whenever I run apt or have to deal with kernels filling up for poorly planned partitions or side-effects of OS vendor releasing lots of kernels and not cleaning up.

                  If autoremove gets integrated in the Cloudron apt update routine, you wouldn't "see" it?!

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                  • necrevistonnezrN necrevistonnezr

                    @robi said in Add `apt autoremove`:

                    Point is, I don't want to see autoremove whenever I run apt or have to deal with kernels filling up for poorly planned partitions or side-effects of OS vendor releasing lots of kernels and not cleaning up.

                    If autoremove gets integrated in the Cloudron apt update routine, you wouldn't "see" it?!

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                    #17

                    @necrevistonnezr No, as it would be run regularly in the background.

                    Hence when I run apt install blah manually, it has a low chance of finding it needs to remove something via autoremove.

                    Conscious tech

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                    • robiR robi

                      @necrevistonnezr No, as it would be run regularly in the background.

                      Hence when I run apt install blah manually, it has a low chance of finding it needs to remove something via autoremove.

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                      @robi said in Add `apt autoremove`:

                      Hence when I run apt install blah manually

                      Aren't you not supposed to install stuff manually on cloudron?

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                        wrote on last edited by girish
                        #19

                        Indeed one shouldn't (install manually) to avoid breaking on updates, but in the end it is still ones own server 😉

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                        • mehdiM mehdi

                          @robi said in Add `apt autoremove`:

                          Hence when I run apt install blah manually

                          Aren't you not supposed to install stuff manually on cloudron?

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                          @mehdi Exactly, we're talking about Cloudron background routines, not manual installing on the server.

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                            Are you telling me that apt install screen is going to break updates? 😆

                            Conscious tech

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