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Cannot mount Hetzner storage box for backups using SSHFS

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  • girishG Offline
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    wrote on last edited by
    #24

    @SansGuidon yeah, maybe. Have to investigate 🙂 Feel free to open a thread in https://forum.cloudron.io/category/97/feature-requests and we can see how much interest is there.

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    • girishG girish

      @SansGuidon how would automatic mounting on boot work if the ssh key had a passphrase? If you put the password in clear text in a config file, it's probably more insecure than having no password at all (especially if you reuse passwords or a part of it...).

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      wrote on last edited by jdaviescoates
      #25

      @girish said in Cannot mount Hetzner storage box for backups using SSHFS:

      @SansGuidon how would automatic mounting on boot work if the ssh key had a passphrase?

      It wouldn't. But I've got the same problem.

      I've already got a pair of SSH keys (with a passphrase) that I can successfully use to login to both my Storage Box and my VPS.

      But of course this doesn't work for the Backup set-up because it requires a passphrase.

      So, how can I create an additional set of non-passphrase keys just for use with the Storage Box?

      Thanks!

      I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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        #26

        You should be able to follow the docs at https://docs.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box/backup-space-ssh-keys for generating and using new keys.

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        • nebulonN nebulon

          You should be able to follow the docs at https://docs.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box/backup-space-ssh-keys for generating and using new keys.

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          wrote on last edited by jdaviescoates
          #27

          @nebulon thanks but those Hetzner docs just aren't clear nor detailed enough and having read them lots of times I'm still none the wiser.

          It says:

          Warning: With the default settings, using ssh-keygen will overwrite an existing SSH key! As an alternative, with the parameter -f, you can specify a different file path.

          But that just isn't enough detail for me.

          It isn't at all clear about how to create/ add an additional pair of ssh-keys whilst keeping the existing ones intact.

          I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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            #28

            So you would create a new key pair with ssh-keygen -f ./newkey at least on linux. When prompted for a password, just press enter. Then you have the keypair in the current working directory where you ran that command.

            From there you can upload the public portion of the key as mentioned in the hetzner docs and use the private key for your Cloudron configs.

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            • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

              @nebulon thanks but those Hetzner docs just aren't clear nor detailed enough and having read them lots of times I'm still none the wiser.

              It says:

              Warning: With the default settings, using ssh-keygen will overwrite an existing SSH key! As an alternative, with the parameter -f, you can specify a different file path.

              But that just isn't enough detail for me.

              It isn't at all clear about how to create/ add an additional pair of ssh-keys whilst keeping the existing ones intact.

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              wrote on last edited by jdaviescoates
              #29

              @jdaviescoates said in Cannot mount Hetzner storage box for backups using SSHFS:

              It says:

              Warning: With the default settings, using ssh-keygen will overwrite an existing SSH key! As an alternative, with the parameter -f, you can specify a different file path.
              

              But that just isn't enough detail for me.

              It isn't at all clear about how to create/ add an additional pair of ssh-keys whilst keeping the existing ones intact.

              OK, I had a play around and I've managed to do it:

              On my local machine I did this:

              ssh-keygen -f /home/josef/.ssh-storage/id_rsa
              Generating public/private rsa key pair.
              Enter passphrase (empty for no passphrase): 
              Enter same passphrase again: 
              Your identification has been saved in /home/josef/.ssh-storage/id_rsa
              Your public key has been saved in /home/josef/.ssh-storage/id_rsa.pub
              

              Then I copied the public key i.e. ~/.ssh-storage/id_rsa.pub up to my Hetzner Storage Box by doing this:

              cat ~/.ssh-storage/id_rsa.pub | ssh -p23 uxxxxxx@uxxxxxx.your-storagebox.de install-ssh-key
              uxxxxxx@uxxxxxx.your-storagebox.de's password: 
              Key No. 1 (ssh-rsa josef@josef-ThinkPad-T510) was installed in RFC4716 format
              Key No. 1 (ssh-rsa josef@josef-ThinkPad-T510) was installed in OpenSSH format
              
              

              Then I copied the contents of the private key i.e. ~/.ssh-storage/id_rsa into the private key box in the Cloudron backup configuration:

              Screenshot from 2024-10-31 10-35-45.png

              And then it worked - hooray!

              I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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              • nebulonN nebulon

                So you would create a new key pair with ssh-keygen -f ./newkey at least on linux. When prompted for a password, just press enter. Then you have the keypair in the current working directory where you ran that command.

                From there you can upload the public portion of the key as mentioned in the hetzner docs and use the private key for your Cloudron configs.

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                wrote on last edited by
                #30

                @nebulon thanks. This was on a new Cloudron that still had default file system backups at /var/backups - now I've got this set-up and working OK I guess I can now completely delete that backups folder?

                I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                  #31

                  yes you can clear out the /var/backups folder

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                  • nebulonN nebulon

                    yes you can clear out the /var/backups folder

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                    wrote on last edited by jdaviescoates
                    #32

                    @nebulon thanks, just to be doubly clear can I completely delete that /var/backups folder, or just delete it's contents? thanks!

                    I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                      #33

                      Just purge contents of the folder or delete the folder and recreate it with the same permissions. Other bits of Linux sometimes put logs there.

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