Shared Authentication between Apps
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Is there an existing solution (app) or even just codebase that would allow you to handle the authentication/membership for other apps?
I am trying to build a community website and want to use Ghost for blog, Discourse as forum, wiki.js, and shopify for the store.
Ghost has plugin to allow Discourse to handle comments but I believe it still requires separate authentication.
Ghost has an odd setup for authentication as it has "members" which are email subscribers (customers) and another set of members they call Staff which are more like traditional users which can be authors/editors/admin.
To make the community work really well and flow. I would like to have one user/member database that handles authentication between the various apps. Thanks to how Cloudron works I can access the mysql database for Ghost from the other apps like Discourse and Wiki.js. However it would still require some coding to make it all work together smoothly.
So far it doesn't seem like Ghost has robust oAuth support, it is still considered "alpha" and in the experimental areas of the admin UI.
Right now I'm just trying to make them all work nicely together. So if you know of an existing solution or know of someones git or github project please let me know.
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Is there an existing solution (app) or even just codebase that would allow you to handle the authentication/membership for other apps?
I am trying to build a community website and want to use Ghost for blog, Discourse as forum, wiki.js, and shopify for the store.
Ghost has plugin to allow Discourse to handle comments but I believe it still requires separate authentication.
Ghost has an odd setup for authentication as it has "members" which are email subscribers (customers) and another set of members they call Staff which are more like traditional users which can be authors/editors/admin.
To make the community work really well and flow. I would like to have one user/member database that handles authentication between the various apps. Thanks to how Cloudron works I can access the mysql database for Ghost from the other apps like Discourse and Wiki.js. However it would still require some coding to make it all work together smoothly.
So far it doesn't seem like Ghost has robust oAuth support, it is still considered "alpha" and in the experimental areas of the admin UI.
Right now I'm just trying to make them all work nicely together. So if you know of an existing solution or know of someones git or github project please let me know.
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@briankb-0 Cloudron uses SSO (kind of, with LDAP) and the apps you listed should all be able to use that authentication. LDAP is shared on all apps that support it.,
@murgero said in Shared Authentication between Apps:
@briankb-0 Cloudron uses SSO (kind of, with LDAP) and the apps you listed should all be able to use that authentication. LDAP is shared on all apps that support it.,
Yes, indeed, however in such case all these users must be registered in the actual Cloudron instance first, and that could become nightmarish depending on the amount of users to be registered. Unless there exist a way to bulk register users on a CR instance.
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@murgero said in Shared Authentication between Apps:
@briankb-0 Cloudron uses SSO (kind of, with LDAP) and the apps you listed should all be able to use that authentication. LDAP is shared on all apps that support it.,
Yes, indeed, however in such case all these users must be registered in the actual Cloudron instance first, and that could become nightmarish depending on the amount of users to be registered. Unless there exist a way to bulk register users on a CR instance.
@micmc said in Shared Authentication between Apps:
Unless there exist a way to bulk register users on a CR instance.
You can import users, see:
https://docs.cloudron.io/user-management/#import-usersAlso relevant to this thread:
https://docs.cloudron.io/user-management/#external-directory -
Is there an existing solution (app) or even just codebase that would allow you to handle the authentication/membership for other apps?
I am trying to build a community website and want to use Ghost for blog, Discourse as forum, wiki.js, and shopify for the store.
Ghost has plugin to allow Discourse to handle comments but I believe it still requires separate authentication.
Ghost has an odd setup for authentication as it has "members" which are email subscribers (customers) and another set of members they call Staff which are more like traditional users which can be authors/editors/admin.
To make the community work really well and flow. I would like to have one user/member database that handles authentication between the various apps. Thanks to how Cloudron works I can access the mysql database for Ghost from the other apps like Discourse and Wiki.js. However it would still require some coding to make it all work together smoothly.
So far it doesn't seem like Ghost has robust oAuth support, it is still considered "alpha" and in the experimental areas of the admin UI.
Right now I'm just trying to make them all work nicely together. So if you know of an existing solution or know of someones git or github project please let me know.
@briankb-0 said in Shared Authentication between Apps:
I would like to have one user/member database that handles authentication between the various apps.
Cloudron does that great with LDAP as @murgero mentioned.
I really think your simplest solution is to make Cloudron the one user/member database.
Saying that, I think this might also be another use case for a User Registration App or some other solution that lets people self-register on your Cloudron rather than Admins having to create or import them.
Here's my post about that from yonks about. I'd still love a simple way to allow for Open Registration on my Cloudron:
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@briankb-0 said in Shared Authentication between Apps:
I would like to have one user/member database that handles authentication between the various apps.
Cloudron does that great with LDAP as @murgero mentioned.
I really think your simplest solution is to make Cloudron the one user/member database.
Saying that, I think this might also be another use case for a User Registration App or some other solution that lets people self-register on your Cloudron rather than Admins having to create or import them.
Here's my post about that from yonks about. I'd still love a simple way to allow for Open Registration on my Cloudron:
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@jdaviescoates I'd much rather have a User Registration App as you described that using LDAP or even touching the user auth for cloudron itself.
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@briankb-0 out of interest, may I ask why? I guess maybe just because Ghost doesn't have LDAP yet?
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@jdaviescoates That's a good reason but more so I don't like the idea of sharing the authentication that controls the server or access to the server with any apps or a website's userbase.
@briankb-0 I'm no security expert, and perhaps I'm being security naive, but Cloudron users can't control nor access the server in any way really. They can only access the apps they have access to.
And I think because all the apps are in their own containers, even if they compromise one, my understanding is that they can't from within that container do anything anywhere else, see:
https://docs.cloudron.io/security/#app-isolation-and-sandboxingMore on Cloudron security here:
https://docs.cloudron.io/security/ -
@briankb-0 I'm no security expert, and perhaps I'm being security naive, but Cloudron users can't control nor access the server in any way really. They can only access the apps they have access to.
And I think because all the apps are in their own containers, even if they compromise one, my understanding is that they can't from within that container do anything anywhere else, see:
https://docs.cloudron.io/security/#app-isolation-and-sandboxingMore on Cloudron security here:
https://docs.cloudron.io/security/@jdaviescoates I will read up on cloudron auth.
regardless Ghost is almost "locked down" for external auth. I don't know why but all of my research the past few days show the request for oAuth going back to before v1 and in v4.7 (as of today) they still don't support it fully or even officially. It's stupid.
They SHOULD turn their amazing blog engine into a full CMS with robust authentication, isolating auth so you can use it however you need. I read up on running Ghost as a "HEADLESS CMS" but that's not what I want it for, doing so requires you to handle all the front end and theming. To me that defeats the purpose of Ghost. But I'm still just beginning to understand Ghost and the other apps so maybe I will find a way.
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@briankb-0 I'm no security expert, and perhaps I'm being security naive, but Cloudron users can't control nor access the server in any way really. They can only access the apps they have access to.
And I think because all the apps are in their own containers, even if they compromise one, my understanding is that they can't from within that container do anything anywhere else, see:
https://docs.cloudron.io/security/#app-isolation-and-sandboxingMore on Cloudron security here:
https://docs.cloudron.io/security/@jdaviescoates Cloudron security sounds very well thought out and just what I need. I will continue to read and try to understand how to implement.
Does anyone know if Ghost support LDAP or is there a work around so Ghost will use Cloudron user auth?
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@jdaviescoates Cloudron security sounds very well thought out and just what I need. I will continue to read and try to understand how to implement.
Does anyone know if Ghost support LDAP or is there a work around so Ghost will use Cloudron user auth?
@briankb-0 said in Shared Authentication between Apps:
Does anyone know if Ghost support LDAP
I just had a little search around and it doesn't seem it does
There was this https://github.com/TryGhost/passport-ghost but it's not been updated in years and is not just a read only archive
See also:
https://forum.ghost.org/t/sso-and-or-ldap-login-for-ghost/10016
https://forum.ghost.org/t/auth-via-ldap-or-oauth/1767
https://forum.ghost.org/t/put-ghost-behind-a-login/1433/3That last post made me think that perhaps Cloudron's ProxyAuth addon could be optionally added to Ghost and that could maybe work somehow (I'm not really sure how though, because you still wouldn't actually be logged into Ghost)
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@briankb-0 I'm no security expert, and perhaps I'm being security naive, but Cloudron users can't control nor access the server in any way really. They can only access the apps they have access to.
And I think because all the apps are in their own containers, even if they compromise one, my understanding is that they can't from within that container do anything anywhere else, see:
https://docs.cloudron.io/security/#app-isolation-and-sandboxingMore on Cloudron security here:
https://docs.cloudron.io/security/@jdaviescoates said in Shared Authentication between Apps:
@briankb-0 I'm no security expert, and perhaps I'm being security naive, but Cloudron users can't control nor access the server in any way really. They can only access the apps they have access to.
This is correct. Cloudron users do not have access to the server. With 'User' role, all one can do is to login to the dashboard, change their name/password and then click on apps to access. They can't configure or manage apps. Only 'Admin' role can manage apps.
'Owner' is "assumed" to have access to the server. There is no way to access the server from the dashboard though, neither do we have a mechanism to give 'Owner' access to the server. They have to have ssh keys (this is intentionally kept outside cloudron scope).
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@jdaviescoates Cloudron security sounds very well thought out and just what I need. I will continue to read and try to understand how to implement.
Does anyone know if Ghost support LDAP or is there a work around so Ghost will use Cloudron user auth?
@briankb-0 said in Shared Authentication between Apps:
Does anyone know if Ghost support LDAP or is there a work around so Ghost will use Cloudron user auth?
From what I recall many years ago, they were not going to add LDAP. Maybe check in their forum (https://forum.ghost.org/) if that has changed.
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@micmc said in Shared Authentication between Apps:
Unless there exist a way to bulk register users on a CR instance.
You can import users, see:
https://docs.cloudron.io/user-management/#import-usersAlso relevant to this thread:
https://docs.cloudron.io/user-management/#external-directory@jdaviescoates said in Shared Authentication between Apps:
@micmc said in Shared Authentication between Apps:
Unless there exist a way to bulk register users on a CR instance.
You can import users, see:
https://docs.cloudron.io/user-management/#import-usersAlso relevant to this thread:
https://docs.cloudron.io/user-management/#external-directoryThere you go, thanks that's great!
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@briankb-0 said in Shared Authentication between Apps:
I would like to have one user/member database that handles authentication between the various apps.
Cloudron does that great with LDAP as @murgero mentioned.
I really think your simplest solution is to make Cloudron the one user/member database.
Saying that, I think this might also be another use case for a User Registration App or some other solution that lets people self-register on your Cloudron rather than Admins having to create or import them.
Here's my post about that from yonks about. I'd still love a simple way to allow for Open Registration on my Cloudron:
@jdaviescoates said in Shared Authentication between Apps:
I'd still love a simple way to allow for Open Registration on my Cloudron:
I agree that would be great also.
