Wordpress: Redis object cache or W3 Total Cache?
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I enabled Redis in W3TC, and now I'm getting a notification in WP dashboard about it. I have both plugins installed right now. I thought I needed both to get Redis to work, guess not.
Should I use Redis Object Cache or stick to W3TC?
A foreign object cache drop-in was found. To use Redis for object caching, please enable the drop-in. -
I enabled Redis in W3TC, and now I'm getting a notification in WP dashboard about it. I have both plugins installed right now. I thought I needed both to get Redis to work, guess not.
Should I use Redis Object Cache or stick to W3TC?
A foreign object cache drop-in was found. To use Redis for object caching, please enable the drop-in. -
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@humptydumpty Not an expert. But redis cache is an object cache. It caches PHP objects. Whereas total cache , iirc, was a web page cache. But maybe it can do a lot more now .
@girish W3TC does object caching too now. Here's a screenshot of the plugin's menu.
I disabled the Redis Object Cache plugin and the notification went away. The site is working just fine. Whether it's faster or slower using Redis via W3TC, I have no clue lol.
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Only use Redis when you are NOT changing anything with the design or config, to avoid some head-scratching when you get caching bugs. When you do use it, clear cache after any changes, to be sure they are live.
Think of it as when you enable a cache plugin, your entire site is both dev and live. Dev being what you change, and Live being what is cached.
WP Super Cache is our favourite, since it supports transient caching (parts of pages), and is WordPress native, the same as you find on Wordpress.com. In our experience, you don't need any of the paid ones.
brandlight.org is something like 220 plugins, with WP Super Cache, on Cloudron's Wordpress Developer App, if that gives you any idea of performance capability.
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Only use Redis when you are NOT changing anything with the design or config, to avoid some head-scratching when you get caching bugs. When you do use it, clear cache after any changes, to be sure they are live.
Think of it as when you enable a cache plugin, your entire site is both dev and live. Dev being what you change, and Live being what is cached.
WP Super Cache is our favourite, since it supports transient caching (parts of pages), and is WordPress native, the same as you find on Wordpress.com. In our experience, you don't need any of the paid ones.
brandlight.org is something like 220 plugins, with WP Super Cache, on Cloudron's Wordpress Developer App, if that gives you any idea of performance capability.
Noticing your Form builder. Check out fluentforms.com, fluentcrm.com and fluentsupport.com too, all super nice to work with, and fast.
The absolute most speed you will get uncached, which is what you really want, is with the Asset Cleanup (Pro) plugin.
Also, pro tip, instal the plugin "Plugin Groups" as easier to save batches of plugins to turn off and on when debugging any conflicts.
I think one day I'll do some blogging on my Wordpress stack, as it's taken years of trial and error to settle on my favourites in each area.
Web Design https://www.evergreen.je
Development https://brandlight.org
Life https://marcusquinn.com -
Noticing your Form builder. Check out fluentforms.com, fluentcrm.com and fluentsupport.com too, all super nice to work with, and fast.
The absolute most speed you will get uncached, which is what you really want, is with the Asset Cleanup (Pro) plugin.
Also, pro tip, instal the plugin "Plugin Groups" as easier to save batches of plugins to turn off and on when debugging any conflicts.
I think one day I'll do some blogging on my Wordpress stack, as it's taken years of trial and error to settle on my favourites in each area.
@marcusquinn noted! I’ll make sure to clear the cache after any changes. I’ll give the fluent family a good read when I’m on my PC but it looks like fluent form has the same features my plugin (conditional logic, etc.). I paid $30ish for it years ago (it doubled in price now) and I’m getting lifetime updates for it. That’s what I like about the Envato marketplace.
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This (and other similar threads) makes me wonder: why does the Cloudron WordPress (Developer) app package even come with Redis pre-installed anyway? @staff - given you generally want to stay as close to upstream as possible I'm intrigued why you did this?
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This (and other similar threads) makes me wonder: why does the Cloudron WordPress (Developer) app package even come with Redis pre-installed anyway? @staff - given you generally want to stay as close to upstream as possible I'm intrigued why you did this?
@jdaviescoates I think some people wanted to use redis for caching and since we don't have a way to turn addons on/off dynamically (yet), we just threw it in the Developer edition. I agree though most people don't need this.
In 7.4 , we already added the flags to make addons configurable dynamically (turn/redis etc). But it lacks a UI, trying to add it in 7.4.2. With that things will be more in sync. We will ship with redis off by default or something.
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@marcusquinn noted! I’ll make sure to clear the cache after any changes. I’ll give the fluent family a good read when I’m on my PC but it looks like fluent form has the same features my plugin (conditional logic, etc.). I paid $30ish for it years ago (it doubled in price now) and I’m getting lifetime updates for it. That’s what I like about the Envato marketplace.
https://codecanyon.net/item/wp-cost-estimation-payment-forms-builder/7818230@humptydumpty Could just get all the pro plugins as unrestricted GPL versions:
(I'd DM the link, but can't DM. Feel free to delete this reply if it bothers anyone, but I've used them for a while, and can't see any reason not to for testing. If you need creator support, or are making money form something, of course pay the developers!)
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@marcusquinn noted! I’ll make sure to clear the cache after any changes. I’ll give the fluent family a good read when I’m on my PC but it looks like fluent form has the same features my plugin (conditional logic, etc.). I paid $30ish for it years ago (it doubled in price now) and I’m getting lifetime updates for it. That’s what I like about the Envato marketplace.
https://codecanyon.net/item/wp-cost-estimation-payment-forms-builder/7818230@humptydumpty Think of Redis as something you only enable when you're not doing anything in the Admin, and you should be fine. Also, clear cache before disabling it, as when you re-enable, it will still have the cache.
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@humptydumpty Could just get all the pro plugins as unrestricted GPL versions:
(I'd DM the link, but can't DM. Feel free to delete this reply if it bothers anyone, but I've used them for a while, and can't see any reason not to for testing. If you need creator support, or are making money form something, of course pay the developers!)
@marcusquinn I get bad vibes from Festinger. It feels like I would be stealing from all these developers since I would be using them on my production sites. Anyway, I don't buy plugins that often to justify any bulk-purchasing subscriptions (I tried Envato Elements before, horrible mistake), so buying what I need and then paying to renew the support fee when it expires works best for me. I can see the value of Festinger for developers though. Being able to test all those plugins would be awesome.
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@humptydumpty Think of Redis as something you only enable when you're not doing anything in the Admin, and you should be fine. Also, clear cache before disabling it, as when you re-enable, it will still have the cache.
@marcusquinn I've been meaning to ask you, do you change the default login page location/URL for WP sites?
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@marcusquinn I've been meaning to ask you, do you change the default login page location/URL for WP sites?
@humptydumpty You don't have to change it, as it can make things a bit more complicated and an up to date WP with fail2ban is solid enough, but Hide My WP Ghost covers that., if you wanted. Just don't change too many things at once.
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@marcusquinn I get bad vibes from Festinger. It feels like I would be stealing from all these developers since I would be using them on my production sites. Anyway, I don't buy plugins that often to justify any bulk-purchasing subscriptions (I tried Envato Elements before, horrible mistake), so buying what I need and then paying to renew the support fee when it expires works best for me. I can see the value of Festinger for developers though. Being able to test all those plugins would be awesome.
@humptydumpty Nothing to feel bad for. That's just how GPL works. Plenty of non-GPL platforms they could develop for and not benefit from the size of the market. Microsoft does just fine with a % of unlicensed users, it's just a marketing cost. At the end of the day utility and user counts is worth more. The plugin with 700,000 installs registering on wordpress.org will be getting ample monetisation opportunities. The one with 70 installs likely won't be worth any GPL site unlocking.
