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  • robiR robi

    Btw, your Agate+ app doesn't seem to complete health check, hence remains Starting... & unclickable from UI.

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    timconsidine
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    wrote last edited by timconsidine
    #59

    @robi really ?! 😢 Not good, sorry.
    Works for me though !
    Let me investigate further.

    Are you installing manually or through ccai.appx.uk ?
    Is this with v6.37 (latest - uploaded to cloudron git this evening) ?

    Just so I know what to investigate

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    • timconsidineT timconsidine

      @robi really ?! 😢 Not good, sorry.
      Works for me though !
      Let me investigate further.

      Are you installing manually or through ccai.appx.uk ?
      Is this with v6.37 (latest - uploaded to cloudron git this evening) ?

      Just so I know what to investigate

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      wrote last edited by robi
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      @timconsidine said in Agate+ (dual protocol server to serve gemini/http from one source):

      Are you installing manually or through ccai.appx.uk ?
      Using your ccai

      Is this with v6.37 (latest - uploaded to cloudron git this evening) ?

      v6.37, pkg v 3.3.17

      I installed it twice, once with the port set to 1968, then uninstalled, and installed again with your new instructions to delete the port field, same result.

      App works, but Cloudron doesn't know.

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      • robiR robi

        @timconsidine said in Agate+ (dual protocol server to serve gemini/http from one source):

        Are you installing manually or through ccai.appx.uk ?
        Using your ccai

        Is this with v6.37 (latest - uploaded to cloudron git this evening) ?

        v6.37, pkg v 3.3.17

        I installed it twice, once with the port set to 1968, then uninstalled, and installed again with your new instructions to delete the port field, same result.

        App works, but Cloudron doesn't know.

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        timconsidine
        App Dev
        wrote last edited by
        #61

        @robi sorry for trouble
        and thanks for info
        I’m not seeing this behaviour
        Will check again

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        • robiR robi

          @timconsidine said in Agate+ (dual protocol server to serve gemini/http from one source):

          Are you installing manually or through ccai.appx.uk ?
          Using your ccai

          Is this with v6.37 (latest - uploaded to cloudron git this evening) ?

          v6.37, pkg v 3.3.17

          I installed it twice, once with the port set to 1968, then uninstalled, and installed again with your new instructions to delete the port field, same result.

          App works, but Cloudron doesn't know.

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          App Dev
          wrote last edited by
          #62

          If it is the first installation of Agate+, port should be blank or GEMINI_PORT=1965.

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          • robiR robi

            Btw, your Agate+ app doesn't seem to complete health check, hence remains Starting... & unclickable from UI.

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            @robi The uncompleted healthcheck was the final stumbling block I had with trying to install another custom application. It was all going well until the health check, but then there was no response...

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              wrote last edited by timconsidine
              #64

              Just installed new Agate+ using the custom app installer https://ccai.appx.uk

              Screenshot 2025-07-31 at 08.10.48.png

              I am not seeing the same issues - sails through for me - going to have to think about how to diagnose your experiences.

              Screenshot 2025-07-31 at 08.10.00.png

              NB the settings in the above screenshot are because I already have a "real" installation running, so for this new one using a higher port number.
              For the first installation on a particular Cloudron, port binding field should be blank or GEMINI_PORT=1965.

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              • L LoudLemur

                @robi The uncompleted healthcheck was the final stumbling block I had with trying to install another custom application. It was all going well until the health check, but then there was no response...

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                #65

                @LoudLemur for first use of a "new" subdomain (one not used on Cloudron before), the reverse proxy check can take some time. The healthcheck should be reasonable.
                I'm finding it can take 1-2 minutes for download, reverse proxy and healthcheck.
                But it does complete.
                I have not encountered a timeout on healthcheck as yet.

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                  Once you do get it installed, Agate+ has a useful content editor under /admin

                  Screenshot 2025-07-31 at 08.22.49.png

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                  • timconsidineT timconsidine

                    Once you do get it installed, Agate+ has a useful content editor under /admin

                    Screenshot 2025-07-31 at 08.22.49.png

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                    LoudLemur
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                    @timconsidine That is a helpful feature and illustrative of the consideration and understanding that went into creating the application.

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                      #68

                      Hmm <scratching head>
                      I've been trying to diagnose @robi report that app installs but gets stuck in "Starting..."

                      I wondered if there was a hidden issue that I was installing from CCAI on my primary cloudron to a location/url also on my primary cloudron.
                      So I installed a clean fresh separate Cloudron instance as the target.

                      I then used ccai.appx.uk to install 2 custom apps from the catalogue (new feature!), Raneto and Agate+.
                      Both sailed through the installation, and started fine.

                      So <scratching head> I don't know.

                      If you or anyone has the time/inclination to try again and get the same stuck in Starting..., I would suggest :

                      • checking the logs of the app from its dashboard
                      • do stop/start in dashboard or Repair/Restart

                      FYI :
                      CCAI now on v4.0.9 and pushed to git.cloudron.io.
                      ccai.appx.uk is running that version as a public hosted service.
                      Agate+ still on v6.37

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                        #69

                        Hey, Tim, I like the new update and now I can see we can use it to one click install FacilMaps - nice!
                        Very, very nice, actually! We wanted to serve our own maps like this for ages. Now we can!

                        Also, very cool, we can even use ccai to install ccai - on our own server!

                        CCAI deserves a thread/discussion all of its own, I think.

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                        • L LoudLemur

                          Hey, Tim, I like the new update and now I can see we can use it to one click install FacilMaps - nice!
                          Very, very nice, actually! We wanted to serve our own maps like this for ages. Now we can!

                          Also, very cool, we can even use ccai to install ccai - on our own server!

                          CCAI deserves a thread/discussion all of its own, I think.

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                          @LoudLemur thank you 👍
                          I wanted to get CCAI to a point where it would be worth making an App Wishlist for it.
                          Just a few more tweaks to do.

                          And need to find more custom apps to flesh out the catalogue with known/tested cases.

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                          • timconsidineT timconsidine

                            Hmm <scratching head>
                            I've been trying to diagnose @robi report that app installs but gets stuck in "Starting..."

                            I wondered if there was a hidden issue that I was installing from CCAI on my primary cloudron to a location/url also on my primary cloudron.
                            So I installed a clean fresh separate Cloudron instance as the target.

                            I then used ccai.appx.uk to install 2 custom apps from the catalogue (new feature!), Raneto and Agate+.
                            Both sailed through the installation, and started fine.

                            So <scratching head> I don't know.

                            If you or anyone has the time/inclination to try again and get the same stuck in Starting..., I would suggest :

                            • checking the logs of the app from its dashboard
                            • do stop/start in dashboard or Repair/Restart

                            FYI :
                            CCAI now on v4.0.9 and pushed to git.cloudron.io.
                            ccai.appx.uk is running that version as a public hosted service.
                            Agate+ still on v6.37

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                            wrote last edited by robi
                            #71

                            @timconsidine said in Agate+ (dual protocol server to serve gemini/http from one source):

                            Hmm <scratching head>
                            I've been trying to diagnose @robi report that app installs but gets stuck in "Starting..."

                            Same here, tried to use my.demo.cloudron.io but it fails to log in at all:
                            Failed to check login status: Unexpected token '<', "<!DOCTYPE "... is not valid JSON

                            I'll see if I can find another Cloudron to test with in case something is off with mine.

                            UPDATE:
                            Seems to be a combo with an specific browser version and my Cloudron is having issues with all apps that install/upgrade.. waiting for healthcheck.
                            Sorry for the wild goose chase. CCAI install on Demo server worked just fine after using another browser.

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                              • robiR robi

                                @timconsidine said in Agate+ (dual protocol server to serve gemini/http from one source):

                                Hmm <scratching head>
                                I've been trying to diagnose @robi report that app installs but gets stuck in "Starting..."

                                Same here, tried to use my.demo.cloudron.io but it fails to log in at all:
                                Failed to check login status: Unexpected token '<', "<!DOCTYPE "... is not valid JSON

                                I'll see if I can find another Cloudron to test with in case something is off with mine.

                                UPDATE:
                                Seems to be a combo with an specific browser version and my Cloudron is having issues with all apps that install/upgrade.. waiting for healthcheck.
                                Sorry for the wild goose chase. CCAI install on Demo server worked just fine after using another browser.

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                                wrote last edited by
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                                @robi weird - good investigative work !

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                                • timconsidineT timconsidine

                                  @robi weird - good investigative work !

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                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #74

                                  @timconsidine Thanks, less than obvious with two things going wrong at the same time.

                                  Have you thought about how to rapidly grow the installable App list?

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                                  • robiR robi

                                    @timconsidine Thanks, less than obvious with two things going wrong at the same time.

                                    Have you thought about how to rapidly grow the installable App list?

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                                    App Dev
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                                    @robi well, I started to think about it.

                                    I was thinking about making a search of git.cloudron.io

                                    Then I thought maybe some/many would be old and packager should be consulted.

                                    And we need a pre-built docker image, so next question is who should build that, I could but not sure about time available, depends on how many.
                                    and maybe packager should do it.

                                    Bottom-line, I ended up in a spiral of indecision !!

                                    Any ideas gratefully received.

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                                    • timconsidineT timconsidine

                                      @robi well, I started to think about it.

                                      I was thinking about making a search of git.cloudron.io

                                      Then I thought maybe some/many would be old and packager should be consulted.

                                      And we need a pre-built docker image, so next question is who should build that, I could but not sure about time available, depends on how many.
                                      and maybe packager should do it.

                                      Bottom-line, I ended up in a spiral of indecision !!

                                      Any ideas gratefully received.

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                                      robi
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #76

                                      @timconsidine How about this..

                                      A checkbox for others to choose to submit a custom app, then check if the install is successful, if so then check if it's already in your CCAI DB/list/json, if not then add it as a new addition with an installed count, plus notification if you want.

                                      It would also be nice to keep the CCAI login active for 15m or so, allowing multiple apps to be installed without constantly logging in.

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