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Grav 2.0 - copying a page is slow

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  • jamesJ james

    Hello @superhua
    Without more details about your set-up it is close to impossible to make an assumption what the issue could be.
    It might be the systems IO, network speed or something else.
    Maybe you can check your browser console with these request if they really take this long.
    If the browser console reports back faster the web log viewer it might be system related.

    Maybe also provide the output of cloudron-support --troubleshoot so we can get a better understand of what you are working with.

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    superhua
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    #3

    @james Thank you. I totally understand that this is nearly impossible to diagnose. Feels like such an odd issue.

    Anyhow, not sure which aspect of the browser console would be helpful, but the long wait times are confirmed:

    Screenshot 2026-07-10 at 06.50.14.png

    Further, here is the output of cloudron-support --troubleshoot:

    Vendor: Red Hat Product: KVM
    Linux: 5.15.0-185-generic
    Ubuntu: jammy 22.04
    Cloudron: 9.2.0
    Execution environment: kvm
    Processor: Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2680 v2 @ 2.80GHz x 4
    RAM: 8127812KB
    Disk: /dev/vda4        16G
    [OK]	Root disk usage is OK (82%)
    [OK]	Memory usage is OK (53%)
    [OK]	Clock is NTP-synchronized
    [OK]	node version is correct
    [OK]	IPv6 is enabled in kernel. No public IPv6 address
    [OK]	docker is running
    [OK]	docker version is correct
    [OK]	MySQL is running
    [OK]	netplan is good
    [OK]	DNS is resolving via systemd-resolved
    [OK]	unbound is running
    [OK]	IPv4 HTTPS to api.cloudron.io/api/v1/helper/public_ip
    [SKIP]	IPv6 HTTPS to api.cloudron.io/api/v1/helper/public_ip — no public IPv6 address
    [OK]	IPv4 HTTPS to auth.docker.io/token
    [SKIP]	IPv6 HTTPS to auth.docker.io/token — no public IPv6 address
    [OK]	IPv4 HTTPS to acme-v02.api.letsencrypt.org
    [SKIP]	IPv6 HTTPS to acme-v02.api.letsencrypt.org — no public IPv6 address
    [OK]	nginx is running
    [OK]	dashboard cert is valid
    [OK]	dashboard is reachable via loopback
    [OK]	No pending database migrations
    [OK]	Service 'mysql' is running and healthy
    [OK]	Service 'postgresql' is running and healthy
    [OK]	Service 'mongodb' is running and healthy
    [OK]	Service 'mail' is running and healthy
    [OK]	Service 'graphite' is running and healthy
    [OK]	Service 'sftp' is running and healthy
    [OK]	box v9.2.0 is running
    [OK]	Dashboard is reachable via IPv4 (https://my.indychinesechurch.org)
    [SKIP]	Dashboard IPv6 reachability — no public IPv6 address
    [SKIP]	Domain expiry check — whois not installed; run 'apt install whois' to check
    
    ======== Summary ========
    PASS:  26
    WARN:  0
    FAIL:  0
    SKIP:  5
    
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    • jamesJ
      jamesJ
      james
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      Hello @superhua
      /dev/vda4 hints that this is a virtual disk.
      You should check the disk speeds it could be it is very slow for some reason.
      Also, IOWAIT might be worth looking at.

      Not that your hoster is having file storage issues and your system is just slow because of that.

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        superhua
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        #5

        hdparm -Tt /dev/vda4 yields:

        /dev/vda4:
         Timing cached reads:   9658 MB in  1.99 seconds = 4846.98 MB/sec
         Timing buffered disk reads: 896 MB in  3.00 seconds = 298.61 MB/sec
        

        Wait time (wa) using vmstat 1 is 0 or 1.

        These numbers look good.

        I'll continue to research and report back if I discover anything.

        Thanks again for your help!

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          superhua
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          #6

          Update: Installing Grav on the Cloudron LAMP App yields faster copy times (about twice as fast).

          Thus, perhaps it is something related to the Dockerization of it?

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          • robiR
            robiR
            robi
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            #7

            Does grav on the demo server have the same pattern?

            Conscious tech

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              superhua
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              #8

              @robi – Good idea!
              Yes, after installing Grav and LAMP (and then Grav on top of that), LAMP/Grav is still faster on the demo server.

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              • S superhua

                @robi – Good idea!
                Yes, after installing Grav and LAMP (and then Grav on top of that), LAMP/Grav is still faster on the demo server.

                robiR
                robiR
                robi
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                #9

                @superhua perfect for @james to take a peek.

                Drop the app subdomains of the demo server to help him out.

                Conscious tech

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                  superhua
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                  #10

                  @james Here are the two test sites:

                  • Grav in Docker

                  • Grav on LAMP

                  (PM me for password.)

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                  • nebulonN
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                    nebulon
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                    #11

                    If both those apps are installed and using the same disk, I can't quite see how filesystem operations would in any case impact how Grav is serving up files. On top of this, the Grav package is also using apache to serve up the files.

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                    • nebulonN nebulon

                      If both those apps are installed and using the same disk, I can't quite see how filesystem operations would in any case impact how Grav is serving up files. On top of this, the Grav package is also using apache to serve up the files.

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                      superhua
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                      #12

                      @nebulon Thanks for the reply.

                      Yes, both apps are installed and using the same disk.

                      Good to know the Grav package is also using Apache.

                      Quite a mystery why there is a difference in speed then! 🤷 🙂

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                        superhua
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                        #13

                        Would the following making any difference?

                        grav-system-info.yaml from the Dockerized install has opcache.revalidate_freq: "2s"

                        while

                        grav-system-info.yaml from LAMP install has opcache.revalidate_freq: "60s"

                        ?

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                        • jamesJ
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                          james
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                          Hello @superhua
                          The official docker image of grav is also settings this to 2s.
                          See: https://github.com/getgrav/docker-grav/blob/89920ea92715261adee817dc7d74f366621af5c9/config/php-grav.ini#L32

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                          • S superhua

                            Would the following making any difference?

                            grav-system-info.yaml from the Dockerized install has opcache.revalidate_freq: "2s"

                            while

                            grav-system-info.yaml from LAMP install has opcache.revalidate_freq: "60s"

                            ?

                            robiR
                            robiR
                            robi
                            wrote on last edited by robi
                            #15

                            @superhua change it and test?

                            How's the CPU usage for both during the op?

                            Conscious tech

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                            • robiR robi

                              @superhua change it and test?

                              How's the CPU usage for both during the op?

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                              superhua
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                              #16

                              @robi Thanks for the reply! No, I haven't changed the opcache.revalidate_freq as I don't know how. If there is a way to do that in Cloudron, please let me know. 😄

                              CPU usage for both is okay -- but the Disk I/O is quite different: 4.6 GB / 9.6 GB for Docker and 128 MB / 436 MB for LAMP:

                              Docker:
                              docker - Screenshot 2026-07-15 at 06.42.37.png

                              LAMP:
                              lamp - Screenshot 2026-07-15 at 06.51.33.png

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                                @robi Thanks for the reply! No, I haven't changed the opcache.revalidate_freq as I don't know how. If there is a way to do that in Cloudron, please let me know. 😄

                                CPU usage for both is okay -- but the Disk I/O is quite different: 4.6 GB / 9.6 GB for Docker and 128 MB / 436 MB for LAMP:

                                Docker:
                                docker - Screenshot 2026-07-15 at 06.42.37.png

                                LAMP:
                                lamp - Screenshot 2026-07-15 at 06.51.33.png

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                                superhua
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #17

                                Update: just re-tested on the Docker install, and the I/O amounts are now similar to the LAMP install.

                                However, copying a page in the GUI is still slow.

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                                • S superhua

                                  Update: just re-tested on the Docker install, and the I/O amounts are now similar to the LAMP install.

                                  However, copying a page in the GUI is still slow.

                                  jdaviescoatesJ
                                  jdaviescoatesJ
                                  jdaviescoates
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #18

                                  @superhua have you tried another browser, incognito tabs, no plugins, cleared cache etc yet?

                                  I use Cloudron with Gandi & Hetzner

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                                  • S superhua

                                    @robi Thanks for the reply! No, I haven't changed the opcache.revalidate_freq as I don't know how. If there is a way to do that in Cloudron, please let me know. 😄

                                    CPU usage for both is okay -- but the Disk I/O is quite different: 4.6 GB / 9.6 GB for Docker and 128 MB / 436 MB for LAMP:

                                    Docker:
                                    docker - Screenshot 2026-07-15 at 06.42.37.png

                                    LAMP:
                                    lamp - Screenshot 2026-07-15 at 06.51.33.png

                                    robiR
                                    robiR
                                    robi
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #19

                                    @superhua You edit the .yaml file from the File Manager or CLI console.. then test your page copy.

                                    It might help to fully describe exactly what you're doing to copy a page and how slow it is, so it can be tested on the demo server as well.

                                    Conscious tech

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                                    • jdaviescoatesJ jdaviescoates

                                      @superhua have you tried another browser, incognito tabs, no plugins, cleared cache etc yet?

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                                      superhua
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #20

                                      @jdaviescoates Yes, I tried …

                                      • Chrome
                                      • Private browsing
                                      • Minimal plugins (e.g., Admin2, API, Login)
                                      • Clearing cache

                                      … but no difference.

                                      Copying a page in Admin2 is still slow.

                                      Thanks for your reply!

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                                      • robiR robi

                                        @superhua You edit the .yaml file from the File Manager or CLI console.. then test your page copy.

                                        It might help to fully describe exactly what you're doing to copy a page and how slow it is, so it can be tested on the demo server as well.

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                                        superhua
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #21

                                        @robi Forgive the basic question, but which .yaml file?

                                        I'm using the copy page button in Admin2 to copy:

                                        Screenshot 2026-07-15 at 13.10.45.png

                                        It takes 12-16 seconds before I can edit the new copy on the Dockerized version.

                                        In contrast, on the same server, the LAMP version takes ~7 seconds.

                                        The demo server was faster, but yielded similar results (i.e., faster on on the LAMP install).

                                        Thank you!

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                                        • S superhua

                                          @robi Forgive the basic question, but which .yaml file?

                                          I'm using the copy page button in Admin2 to copy:

                                          Screenshot 2026-07-15 at 13.10.45.png

                                          It takes 12-16 seconds before I can edit the new copy on the Dockerized version.

                                          In contrast, on the same server, the LAMP version takes ~7 seconds.

                                          The demo server was faster, but yielded similar results (i.e., faster on on the LAMP install).

                                          Thank you!

                                          robiR
                                          robiR
                                          robi
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #22

                                          @superhua you mentioned it in a previous post with the cache settings. Which other could it be?

                                          Conscious tech

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