Security issue thread - PHP and eMudhra cert compromise
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+1 for having apps update while they're stopped. I have a few WP dev sites that I turn on for testing only and it's a PITA having to manually update them. From a security standpoint, what are the chances that an app will get compromised in the seconds it takes between the app start and triggering a manual update?
From a security standpoint, what are the chances that an app will get compromised in the seconds it takes between the app start and triggering a manual update?
Relatively impossible to estimate. Usually, vulnerability scanners don't check whether your application runs or not. They simply send requests indefinitely, until they have a hit.
Anyhow, updating stopped apps isn't technically feasible.
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From a security standpoint, what are the chances that an app will get compromised in the seconds it takes between the app start and triggering a manual update?
Relatively impossible to estimate. Usually, vulnerability scanners don't check whether your application runs or not. They simply send requests indefinitely, until they have a hit.
Anyhow, updating stopped apps isn't technically feasible.
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@Lanhild What if the app gets started when an update is available, but the network gets disconnected somehow. Maybe by killing the nginx/proxy/ports temporarily? There's got to be a virtual equivalent to "cutting the ethernet cable", right?
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From a security standpoint, what are the chances that an app will get compromised in the seconds it takes between the app start and triggering a manual update?
Relatively impossible to estimate. Usually, vulnerability scanners don't check whether your application runs or not. They simply send requests indefinitely, until they have a hit.
Anyhow, updating stopped apps isn't technically feasible.
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It just doesn't stop.. https://www.aikido.dev/blog/python-packages-vulnerable-node2shell-brotli-cve-2026-111497
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@bazinga not exclusively. The same principle applies to pretty much any application outside Cloudron too. Sometimes, updates need to trigger hooks or migrations that require the application to be up. That's the main reason why.
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Nextcloud's bundle still includes emSign ECC Root CA - G3 which Cloudron has no control over. But, maybe someone at Cloudron can report it to Nextcloud.
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Also, while auditing for the eMudhra issue, I found certifi 2026.1.4 in the Python 3.14 virtual environment (/app/code/venv) of my Baserow app, io.baserow.cloudronapp@1.40.3 (Baserow 2.4.1). That is the current App Store version. I uninstalled it since I was not using it. Notification log shows it updated to that version last week.
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