What's coming in Cloudron 6.3

[girish]

@girish said in What's coming in Cloudron 6.3:

As a pre-requisite for Cloudron 7 multi-host feature, we have to move file system data into the database. Much grunt work to be done here.

A big chunk of this landed today. Certificates also need to be migrated to the database, that should be done tomorrow. Essentially, from the next release, /home/yellowtent/boxdata will only contain mail server data and nothing else since everything has moved to the database. I will probably take this opportunity to separate box backups and mail backups. The box backup is going to be just the mysql dump and nothing else.

[girish]

@girish said in What's coming in Cloudron 6.3:

As a pre-requisite for Cloudron 7 multi-host feature, we have to move file system data into the database. Much grunt work to be done here.

This is now done! Now the boxdata only contains the mysqldump and email.

root@my:/home/yellowtent/boxdata# ls -l
total 900
-rw-r--r-- 1 yellowtent yellowtent 913492 May  7 06:00 box.mysqldump
drwxr-xr-x 9 yellowtent yellowtent   4096 May  4 07:34 mail

I am looking into moving mail as a separate backup just like an app. That way in future releases we can restore mail data (mailboxes) independently of box code just like apps.

[girish]

Pushed a change that makes the filenames of backups more readable. It's just app_<domain>_vVersion.

root@my:/var/backups/2021-05-09-000811-352# ls
app_test.cloudron.work_v1.1.3.tar.gz

[girish]

@girish said in What's coming in Cloudron 6.3:

Volumes - make mounting easier by automating fstab/exports entries

This is also mostly done. When adding a volume, you can choose the mount type

The current volumes are migrated as "no-op" mount type (as in, user managed the mount themselves). It shows the status of each volume as well:

One thing we decided to go with systemd mounts instead of /etc/fstab. This allows us to create mounts that have correct dependency with the unbound DNS server for CIFS and NFS mounts.

A similar mounting change will be done for the Backups view as well.

[jdaviescoates]

@girish said in What's coming in Cloudron 6.3:

One thing we decided to go with systemd mounts instead of /etc/fstab.

So what will happen to existing volumes that are already mounted using /etc/fstab?

[nebulon]

@jdaviescoates I think instead of coming up with migration code, which will be a bit messy given the fstab format to correctly parse in all circumstances, I think we will ignore those and ask the admin to reconfigure the volume via the UI once. That way the admin can test and validate timely.

[jdaviescoates]

@nebulon said in What's coming in Cloudron 6.3:

I think we will ignore those and ask the admin to reconfigure the volume via the UI once. That way the admin can test and validate timely.

Just to be clear, if the admin takes no action will existing volumes keep working?

[nebulon]

@jdaviescoates yes, the code does not touch existing mountpoints as such.

[girish]

We now show the ubuntu version is the settings view.

Additionally, there is now an alert for Ubuntu 16 users.

[micmc]

@girish AWESOME!

[A Former User]

This looks wonderful! Loving this QoL changes.

[d19dotca]

@girish Please tell me 6.3 is coming down the pipe this week. I'm so eager for it! Desperately needing some of these email improvements, specifically the most urgent for me is the ability to not forward email on to mailing lists if it's been identified as spam. The limitations currently are impacting the trust of my mail server by other systems like Gmail which is rate limiting my emails now because so much spam is forwarded on to a couple of Gmail addresses via the mailing list functionality. At least they're not outright blocking me, but that'd be the next logical step that I want to avoid!

[girish]

@d19dotca it's unlikely this week, we just had a call yesterday and decided to release what we have right now. So, we have already started testing and running e2e. I will leave a note on the progress here. I moved the security+email features to the next immediate release. As for the specific issue you are facing wrt not forwarding spam, let me see if the fix for that is easy and include it in this release itself.

[d19dotca]

@girish Oh sure, that'd be good. So there's going to be a bug fix version then I presume with what's already been done so far (such as 6.2.9 maybe or still 6.3.0)? And then email + security will be added to something like 6.4 instead if the next release is still 6.3?

[girish]

@d19dotca what's next is 6.3. the email + security will be 6.4 or maybe even part of cloudron 7. we are actually very close to multi-host with the changes in 6.3 !

BTW, about the spam fix, it's easy to check if an email is marked as spam and drop it (i.e based on spamassassin flags). However, since we don't have a place to quarantine yet, you will only see a eventlog entry that it's gone. Is this OK for the moment till we implement a monitorable mail queue?

[girish]

As a final update to the mounting logic, it is also integrated into backups and restore logic.

[scooke]

@girish said in What's coming in Cloudron 6.3:

Pushed a change that makes the filenames of backups more readable. It's just app_<domain>_vVersion.

root@my:/var/backups/2021-05-09-000811-352# ls
app_test.cloudron.work_v1.1.3.tar.gz

Thank you!!

[d19dotca]

@girish said in What's coming in Cloudron 6.3:

BTW, about the spam fix, it's easy to check if an email is marked as spam and drop it (i.e based on spamassassin flags). However, since we don't have a place to quarantine yet, you will only see a eventlog entry that it's gone. Is this OK for the moment till we implement a monitorable mail queue?

I think that's fine for now, but would it be possible to only affect mailing lists perhaps (assuming this change is mostly just temporary and probably will only really be used by me for the time being). I ask because I think if I were to just drop all messages marked as spam from all mail delivery completely, it'd be a detriment to my hosted mailboxes. The only place I want to disable sending spam mail is for mailing lists alone, if possible. But either way I guess, better than nothing I need to ensure Gmail isn't going to block mail from my server completely just because the two addresses my mailing lists forward to are total magnets for spam.

[subtlecourage]

@girish said in What's coming in Cloudron 6.3:

Make email setup inside apps optional. This will make it possible to configure specific apps to use some external service for mail delivery directly and the Cloudron package won't touch their mail settings.
Volumes - make mounting easier by automating fstab/exports entries

The email feature is something I think will help my use caase.
The volume feature is freaking phenomenal.

You are all amazing!

[girish]

Now that Cloudron is in the Vultr marketplace, it seemed the right time to implement Vultr DNS.