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  • iamthefijI Offline
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    iamthefij
    App Dev
    wrote on last edited by
    #120

    Hey @girish any updates on this? I've been holding off on migrating from my external instance to my Cloudron one because I'm not sure about the process of migrating from the dev one to an official one. Any guidance on when to expect this or if it's possible to preserve the Docker volume would be helpful.

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      will
      wrote on last edited by
      #121

      @iamthefij said in Bitwarden - Self-hosted password manager:

      Hey @girish any updates on this? I've been holding off on migrating from my external instance to my Cloudron one because I'm not sure about the process of migrating from the dev one to an official one. Any guidance on when to expect this or if it's possible to preserve the Docker volume would be helpful.

      I'm in the same boat. I am maintaining a VPS solely for Bitwarden access. Would save $10 a month and time if I could roll this out! Thanks for all the hard work!

      I tried deploying the Cloudron Bitwarden like below:

      Commands run on Cloudron server.

      git clone https://git.cloudron.io/fbartels/bitwardenrs-app #Successfully clones to home directory
      npm install -g cloudron-cli **#Command fails, no cloudron-cli **
      cloudron build # this will ask your cloudron.io login #Never got to this stage
      cloudron install # this will ask you for your cloudron's login #Never got to this stage

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      • W will

        @iamthefij said in Bitwarden - Self-hosted password manager:

        Hey @girish any updates on this? I've been holding off on migrating from my external instance to my Cloudron one because I'm not sure about the process of migrating from the dev one to an official one. Any guidance on when to expect this or if it's possible to preserve the Docker volume would be helpful.

        I'm in the same boat. I am maintaining a VPS solely for Bitwarden access. Would save $10 a month and time if I could roll this out! Thanks for all the hard work!

        I tried deploying the Cloudron Bitwarden like below:

        Commands run on Cloudron server.

        git clone https://git.cloudron.io/fbartels/bitwardenrs-app #Successfully clones to home directory
        npm install -g cloudron-cli **#Command fails, no cloudron-cli **
        cloudron build # this will ask your cloudron.io login #Never got to this stage
        cloudron install # this will ask you for your cloudron's login #Never got to this stage

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        murgero
        App Dev
        wrote on last edited by
        #122

        @will Those commands do NOT get ran on the cloudron server.

        The cloudron CLI is ONLY for use outside of the server (it's the management tool for cli users)

        At home, install virtualbox on your computer and create an ubuntu VM. (If you already have a computer with linux, ignore this step, these steps can be installed in windows if you install nodejs and git first)

        Then run:

        git clone https://git.cloudron.io/fbartels/bitwardenrs-app
        cd bitwardenrs-app
        ## Install NodeJS from https://nodejs.org/en/download/package-manager/
        npm install -g cloudron
        cloudron build
        cloudron install
        

        --
        https://urgero.org
        ~ Professional Nerd. Freelance Programmer. ~

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        • murgeroM murgero

          @will Those commands do NOT get ran on the cloudron server.

          The cloudron CLI is ONLY for use outside of the server (it's the management tool for cli users)

          At home, install virtualbox on your computer and create an ubuntu VM. (If you already have a computer with linux, ignore this step, these steps can be installed in windows if you install nodejs and git first)

          Then run:

          git clone https://git.cloudron.io/fbartels/bitwardenrs-app
          cd bitwardenrs-app
          ## Install NodeJS from https://nodejs.org/en/download/package-manager/
          npm install -g cloudron
          cloudron build
          cloudron install
          
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          will
          wrote on last edited by
          #123

          @murgero Thanks! I'm running windows subsystem for linux so I'll give it a shot. Thanks again!

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          • W will

            @murgero Thanks! I'm running windows subsystem for linux so I'll give it a shot. Thanks again!

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            murgero
            App Dev
            wrote on last edited by
            #124

            @will If you plan on building apps using a local docker install, that can only be done on linux (not the subsystem), otherwise using a build service (either the app one or cloudron's cloud build service) is good on any system with nodejs support

            --
            https://urgero.org
            ~ Professional Nerd. Freelance Programmer. ~

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            • murgeroM murgero

              @will If you plan on building apps using a local docker install, that can only be done on linux (not the subsystem), otherwise using a build service (either the app one or cloudron's cloud build service) is good on any system with nodejs support

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              will
              wrote on last edited by
              #125

              @murgero I'm not a developer, but I have stumbled my way through rough spots before. Just so I understand the workflow.
              So lets say I want to deploy the Bitwarden app on my Cloudron instance in production (I don't but let's roll with it for a sec)
              I would configure my dev environment (install Nodejs, cloudron-cli, and install Cloudron build service app on the Web Store)
              I would clone the app I wanted to play with to my local dev machine, cd into that directory and use the cloudron build command to bush this app to the Cloudron Build Service App?
              Lastly use the cloudron install command to install the app on to my production instance.
              How close am I to the right answer? 😰

              Thanks again for taking the time out to help me out. I'm trying to understand this stuff, but it's way out of my swimlane.

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              • W will

                @murgero I'm not a developer, but I have stumbled my way through rough spots before. Just so I understand the workflow.
                So lets say I want to deploy the Bitwarden app on my Cloudron instance in production (I don't but let's roll with it for a sec)
                I would configure my dev environment (install Nodejs, cloudron-cli, and install Cloudron build service app on the Web Store)
                I would clone the app I wanted to play with to my local dev machine, cd into that directory and use the cloudron build command to bush this app to the Cloudron Build Service App?
                Lastly use the cloudron install command to install the app on to my production instance.
                How close am I to the right answer? 😰

                Thanks again for taking the time out to help me out. I'm trying to understand this stuff, but it's way out of my swimlane.

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                murgero
                App Dev
                wrote on last edited by murgero
                #126

                @will I don't use the build service app because it can delete other apps mistakenly. I use the following process for building my apps (step by step, literally) using a local linux machine with Docker, npm, git, and cloudron-cli.

                Just make sure you have a free dockerhub account 🙂

                git clone https://github.com/mitchellurgero/cloudron-vscode
                cd cloudron-vscode
                
                ## Change as you need!
                docker build -t dockername/projectname:tagname .
                docker push dockername/projectname:tagname
                
                ## End docker changes
                cloudron login
                cloudron install --image dockerhuburl/dockername/projectname:tagname
                

                Example commands when replacing the variables with real items:

                git clone https://github.com/murgero/MyApp1-cloudron
                cd MyApp1-cloudron
                
                ## Change as you need!
                docker build -t murgero/MyApp1:latest .
                docker push murgero/MyApp1:latest
                
                ## End docker changes
                cloudron login
                cloudron install --image dockerhuburl/murgero/MyApp1:latest
                

                --
                https://urgero.org
                ~ Professional Nerd. Freelance Programmer. ~

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                  iamthefij
                  App Dev
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #127

                  FYI @murgero @will I don’t think that git repo has any of the fixes or changes I’ve added. Try the one I linked much earlier. (I’m on mobile so I can’t link it now).

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                  • murgeroM murgero

                    @will I don't use the build service app because it can delete other apps mistakenly. I use the following process for building my apps (step by step, literally) using a local linux machine with Docker, npm, git, and cloudron-cli.

                    Just make sure you have a free dockerhub account 🙂

                    git clone https://github.com/mitchellurgero/cloudron-vscode
                    cd cloudron-vscode
                    
                    ## Change as you need!
                    docker build -t dockername/projectname:tagname .
                    docker push dockername/projectname:tagname
                    
                    ## End docker changes
                    cloudron login
                    cloudron install --image dockerhuburl/dockername/projectname:tagname
                    

                    Example commands when replacing the variables with real items:

                    git clone https://github.com/murgero/MyApp1-cloudron
                    cd MyApp1-cloudron
                    
                    ## Change as you need!
                    docker build -t murgero/MyApp1:latest .
                    docker push murgero/MyApp1:latest
                    
                    ## End docker changes
                    cloudron login
                    cloudron install --image dockerhuburl/murgero/MyApp1:latest
                    
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                    fbartels
                    App Dev
                    wrote on last edited by fbartels
                    #128

                    @murgero building is much easier now. when you call cloudron build it will ask for the registry to upload to. so you just have to enter your-username/your-chosen-name-for-the image, e.g. fbartels/cloudron-bitwardenrs. cloudron install will then automatically use this image.

                    @will I am still not a huge believer in the ldap sync and the mysql backend of bitwarden. I have updated my repo to the last version and also picked some smtp things from @iamthefij. Sending invites still does not seem to work, will need to look further into this.

                    Edit: Managed to fix the issue with sending invites. the value of SMTP_AUTH_MECHANISM needs to be quoted, but when exporting it, these quotes are normally removed. Working and up to date version is in the git repo.

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                    • fbartelsF fbartels

                      @murgero building is much easier now. when you call cloudron build it will ask for the registry to upload to. so you just have to enter your-username/your-chosen-name-for-the image, e.g. fbartels/cloudron-bitwardenrs. cloudron install will then automatically use this image.

                      @will I am still not a huge believer in the ldap sync and the mysql backend of bitwarden. I have updated my repo to the last version and also picked some smtp things from @iamthefij. Sending invites still does not seem to work, will need to look further into this.

                      Edit: Managed to fix the issue with sending invites. the value of SMTP_AUTH_MECHANISM needs to be quoted, but when exporting it, these quotes are normally removed. Working and up to date version is in the git repo.

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                      iamthefij
                      App Dev
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #129

                      @fbartels what issues are you having with the LDAP sync?

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                      • iamthefijI iamthefij

                        @fbartels what issues are you having with the LDAP sync?

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                        fbartels
                        App Dev
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #130

                        @iamthefij its not a technical problem, the approach isn't bad either. I think both (LDAP and MySQL) simply add unneeded complexity.

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                        • fbartelsF fbartels

                          @murgero building is much easier now. when you call cloudron build it will ask for the registry to upload to. so you just have to enter your-username/your-chosen-name-for-the image, e.g. fbartels/cloudron-bitwardenrs. cloudron install will then automatically use this image.

                          @will I am still not a huge believer in the ldap sync and the mysql backend of bitwarden. I have updated my repo to the last version and also picked some smtp things from @iamthefij. Sending invites still does not seem to work, will need to look further into this.

                          Edit: Managed to fix the issue with sending invites. the value of SMTP_AUTH_MECHANISM needs to be quoted, but when exporting it, these quotes are normally removed. Working and up to date version is in the git repo.

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                          murgero
                          App Dev
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #131

                          @fbartels said in Bitwarden - Self-hosted password manager:

                          building is much easier now. when you call cloudron build it will ask for the registry to upload to. so you just have to enter your-username/your-chosen-name-for-the image, e.g. fbartels/cloudron-bitwardenrs. cloudron install will then automatically use this image.

                          This requires the build service app to be installed on your cloudron which currently has a warning attached to it that it may delete USED docker images from other apps. Until the build service app is more stable, I'll stick to my sure-fire, tried and true way 🙂

                          --
                          https://urgero.org
                          ~ Professional Nerd. Freelance Programmer. ~

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                          • murgeroM murgero

                            @fbartels said in Bitwarden - Self-hosted password manager:

                            building is much easier now. when you call cloudron build it will ask for the registry to upload to. so you just have to enter your-username/your-chosen-name-for-the image, e.g. fbartels/cloudron-bitwardenrs. cloudron install will then automatically use this image.

                            This requires the build service app to be installed on your cloudron which currently has a warning attached to it that it may delete USED docker images from other apps. Until the build service app is more stable, I'll stick to my sure-fire, tried and true way 🙂

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                            fbartels
                            App Dev
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #132

                            @murgero said in Bitwarden - Self-hosted password manager:

                            This requires the build service app to be installed on your cloudron

                            That is not true. Its build locally and then pushed into the github account.

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                            • fbartelsF fbartels

                              @iamthefij its not a technical problem, the approach isn't bad either. I think both (LDAP and MySQL) simply add unneeded complexity.

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                              iamthefij
                              App Dev
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #133

                              @fbartels I see. Yea, totally agree that it’s not really necessary for most folks usage. The instance I run outside of Cloudron today uses neither of them. I’m using it as a simple personal password manager.

                              I believe Cloudron tends to prefer configurations that are ready for a small enterprise. My personal Gogs server was fine with SQLite and local auth as well, but Cloudron is configured with MySQL and LDAP.

                              🤷‍♂️

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                                yusf
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #134

                                I think it’s important to scale for at least 50 intended users for Cloudron apps. I think that this number is even specified in the docs somewhere.

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                                • fbartelsF fbartels

                                  @murgero said in Bitwarden - Self-hosted password manager:

                                  This requires the build service app to be installed on your cloudron

                                  That is not true. Its build locally and then pushed into the github account.

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                                  necrevistonnezr
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #135

                                  @fbartels said in Bitwarden - Self-hosted password manager:

                                  @murgero said in Bitwarden - Self-hosted password manager:

                                  This requires the build service app to be installed on your cloudron

                                  That is not true. Its build locally and then pushed into the github account.

                                  When I try to update my bitwarden app at the existing domain 'bit.mydomain.de' this way, I still get a

                                  Failed to install app: 409 message: Domain 'bit.mydomain.de' is in use
                                  

                                  I have a wildcard DNS entry), so a DNS entry for the subdomain should not cause trouble. I also tried cloudron login --allow-selfsigned but it doesn't change anything.

                                  Could the "version" entry in CloudronManifest.jsonbe the culprit?

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                                  • necrevistonnezrN necrevistonnezr

                                    @fbartels said in Bitwarden - Self-hosted password manager:

                                    @murgero said in Bitwarden - Self-hosted password manager:

                                    This requires the build service app to be installed on your cloudron

                                    That is not true. Its build locally and then pushed into the github account.

                                    When I try to update my bitwarden app at the existing domain 'bit.mydomain.de' this way, I still get a

                                    Failed to install app: 409 message: Domain 'bit.mydomain.de' is in use
                                    

                                    I have a wildcard DNS entry), so a DNS entry for the subdomain should not cause trouble. I also tried cloudron login --allow-selfsigned but it doesn't change anything.

                                    Could the "version" entry in CloudronManifest.jsonbe the culprit?

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                                    fbartels
                                    App Dev
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #136

                                    @necrevistonnezr said in Bitwarden - Self-hosted password manager:

                                    Could the "version" entry in CloudronManifest.jsonbe the culprit?

                                    No, at least not from my experience. It always depends from where you installed an app previously. So for example when you initially installed an app from the official appcenter you can not easily update it with a locally build app. To make it recognize an existing app you can add the --app parameter to the install command.

                                    So e.g. cloudron update --app bit

                                    But make sure that the applications are actually compatible with each other.

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                                      necrevistonnezr
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #137

                                      Still gettin errors:

                                      osboxes@osboxes:~/bitwardenrs-app$ cloudron update --app bit
                                      Will update app at location bit
                                       => Waiting for app to be updated 
                                       => Starting ... ...
                                       => Backup - Snapshotting app bit.mydomain.de ..
                                       => Backup - undefined 
                                       => Downloading image ...........................................
                                      App update error: Installation failed: undefined
                                      
                                      osboxes@osboxes:~/bitwardenrs-app$ sudo cloudron update --app bit
                                      Will update app at location bit
                                      Failed to update app: 409 message: Not allowed in error state
                                      
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                                      • necrevistonnezrN necrevistonnezr

                                        Still gettin errors:

                                        osboxes@osboxes:~/bitwardenrs-app$ cloudron update --app bit
                                        Will update app at location bit
                                         => Waiting for app to be updated 
                                         => Starting ... ...
                                         => Backup - Snapshotting app bit.mydomain.de ..
                                         => Backup - undefined 
                                         => Downloading image ...........................................
                                        App update error: Installation failed: undefined
                                        
                                        osboxes@osboxes:~/bitwardenrs-app$ sudo cloudron update --app bit
                                        Will update app at location bit
                                        Failed to update app: 409 message: Not allowed in error state
                                        
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                                        fbartels
                                        App Dev
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #138

                                        @necrevistonnezr it seems to fail at downloading the image, so it has nothing to do with the app per se.

                                        Can you also post the output of cloudron build?

                                        Maybe it could also help to remove the existing app before (but since it fails at downloading I would doubt that).

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                                          necrevistonnezr
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #139

                                          Output of cloudron build:

                                          Building locally as necrevistonnezr/bitwardenrs:20191210-094936-34576695f
                                          
                                          Sending build context to Docker daemon  114.2kB
                                          
                                          Step 1/28 : FROM "bitwardenrs/server:1.13.0-alpine" as bitwarden
                                           ---> c0f785714c65
                                          Step 2/28 : FROM cloudron/base:1.0.0@sha256:147a648a068a2e746644746bbfb42eb7a50d682437cead3c67c933c546357617
                                           ---> 534bd0efda10
                                          Step 3/28 : ENV ROCKET_ENV "staging"
                                           ---> Using cache
                                           ---> 08e348a2d671
                                          Step 4/28 : ENV ROCKET_PORT=3000
                                           ---> Using cache
                                           ---> 4f829684eb90
                                          Step 5/28 : ENV ROCKET_WORKERS=10
                                           ---> Using cache
                                           ---> 4c341fbb8b34
                                          Step 6/28 : ENV DATA_FOLDER=/app/data
                                           ---> Using cache
                                           ---> 624de75507eb
                                          Step 7/28 : ENV CONFIG_FILE=/app/data/config.json
                                           ---> Using cache
                                           ---> df63ce28a824
                                          Step 8/28 : ENV SIGNUPS_ALLOWED=false
                                           ---> Using cache
                                           ---> 98489eda2ecf
                                          Step 9/28 : ENV INVITATIONS_ALLOWED=true
                                           ---> Using cache
                                           ---> 363bd3b89949
                                          Step 10/28 : ENV WEBSOCKET_ENABLED=true
                                           ---> Using cache
                                           ---> c3ab1f3b150c
                                          Step 11/28 : ENV DISABLE_ADMIN_TOKEN=true
                                           ---> Using cache
                                           ---> 57d590406e2c
                                          Step 12/28 : RUN mkdir -p /app/data
                                           ---> Using cache
                                           ---> bf796d6b68b4
                                          Step 13/28 : VOLUME /app/data
                                           ---> Using cache
                                           ---> af0388a6c7c5
                                          Step 14/28 : EXPOSE 80
                                           ---> Using cache
                                           ---> c4e5fc4eef9c
                                          Step 15/28 : EXPOSE 3012
                                           ---> Using cache
                                           ---> 0d3be2006979
                                          Step 16/28 : RUN rm /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/*
                                           ---> Using cache
                                           ---> 128658526e5f
                                          Step 17/28 : RUN sed -e 's,^ErrorLog.*,ErrorLog "|/bin/cat",' -i /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
                                           ---> Using cache
                                           ---> 460b63a85e66
                                          Step 18/28 : RUN a2disconf other-vhosts-access-log
                                           ---> Using cache
                                           ---> b660416c4b47
                                          Step 19/28 : COPY apache.conf /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/bitwarden.conf
                                           ---> Using cache
                                           ---> 380066c29b0c
                                          Step 20/28 : RUN a2enmod ldap authnz_ldap proxy proxy_http proxy_wstunnel rewrite
                                           ---> Using cache
                                           ---> 5d85bcdb4449
                                          Step 21/28 : COPY --from=bitwarden /web-vault /app/code/web-vault
                                           ---> Using cache
                                           ---> 8c8e6cd0a79a
                                          Step 22/28 : COPY --from=bitwarden /bitwarden_rs /app/code/
                                           ---> Using cache
                                           ---> 23aa34133bc8
                                          Step 23/28 : COPY --from=bitwarden /Rocket.toml /app/code/
                                           ---> Using cache
                                           ---> 16d854c4cdb4
                                          Step 24/28 : ADD supervisor/ /etc/supervisor/conf.d/
                                           ---> Using cache
                                           ---> 94e6be8b3e39
                                          Step 25/28 : RUN sed -e 's,^logfile=.*$,logfile=/run/supervisord.log,' -i /etc/supervisor/supervisord.conf
                                           ---> Using cache
                                           ---> a4b630549d9e
                                          Step 26/28 : WORKDIR /app/code
                                           ---> Using cache
                                           ---> ac66a3410991
                                          Step 27/28 : COPY start.sh /app/code/start.sh
                                           ---> Using cache
                                           ---> 8fee6c91fd4a
                                          Step 28/28 : CMD [ "/app/code/start.sh" ]
                                           ---> Using cache
                                           ---> ebd0cc6480c9
                                          Successfully built ebd0cc6480c9
                                          Successfully tagged necrevistonnezr/bitwardenrs:20191210-094936-34576695f
                                          
                                          Pushing necrevistonnezr/bitwardenrs:20191210-094936-34576695f
                                          The push refers to repository [docker.io/necrevistonnezr/bitwardenrs]
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                                          And how do I get past the 409 message: Not allowed in error state?

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